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The Pity Play - Tipoff Play of Sociopath

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
....or spot the Muhfucka. (My favorite one) :yes:

I spot the witches so I can hang out with them. I like witches! :witch2:

Many years ago, I had a girlfriend who was in a witch coven. Very strange girl, but VERY fun (for a while, anyway, before the strangeness became too much to deal with)
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
I agree, Purple. "Stalking psychopaths" is what one person who wrote a book on psychopaths calls this activity, further describing it as an activity that can reduce the stalker's humanity and empathy, turning the "stalker" into a bit of a psychopath him- or herself.

Or as Friedrich Nietzsche said: "Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you stare too long into the abyss, the abyss stares back at you".
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
It is also my understanding from what I have read that sociopaths can be further divided into "latent" and "active" where the latent sociopaths keep their sociopathic urges in check by utilising their own religious beliefs or something like that. And I would presume it is better to look to the evidence for what actually works than "calling them out in the most forceful means possible" as it is my understanding that this has a pretty shitty record at making any difference whatsoever.

Or perhaps sociopaths who are just intelligent enough to realize that routinely harming people in the pursuit of their goals is counter-productive in the long term.

Or, as in one of the Murphy's Laws quotes: "Friends come and go; enemies accumulate".
 

Caroline

Patron Meritorious
Here's a hopefully helpful checklist of behaviorial characteristics from Dr. Martin Kantor's The Psychopathy of Everyday Life, which includes "a highly developed skill in the elicitation of pity." Emphasis added below.

Dr. Martin Kantor said:
Coping with the Psychopaths of Everyday Life

This chapter suggests a six-step method for helping victims cope with the psychopaths of everyday life. These steps are:

1. Learn all you can about psychopathy
2. Identify the psychopaths of everyday life in your life
3. Learn to spot the psychopath's cons
4. Identify the nature of your personal vulnerability to being victimized by psychopaths
5. Self-immunize against psychopaths
6. Avoid enabling psychopaths and their psychopathy

[...]

Step 2: Identify the Psychopaths of Everyday Life in Your Life

The following checklist of alerting (but not necessarily definitive) behavioral characteristics may help.

In-your-face charm.

Smooth, stylish, sweet-talking spiels meant to extract sex or money, attain complete control, or gain personal power. Example: A small town politician reveals, ”When I was younger I always told the girls I loved them; otherwise they wouldn’t put out for me.”

A tendency to claim omniscience in order to intimidate, control, and buffalo others into giving forth, e.g., into buying into proffered scams.

A penchant for excessive displays of high class, e.g., of expensive cars and flashy clothes.

A partial or complete disinterest in obtaining life's substantial pleasures and rewards, particularly those that come from true loving relationships.

A sexual franticness and wildness, especially involving resolute joyless sexual promiscuity.

A propensity for covertness, e.g., cheating on a spouse who has been led to expect a monogamous relationship, especially when done less for the sex than for the cloak-and-dagger intrigue involved.

A penchant for shady or illegal dealings. Example: selling real estate by down-playing or otherwise glossing over its flaws, e.g., touting a piece of land without mentioning that it happens to be unbuildable.

A preoccupying interest in and constant pursuit of (honest or dishonest) get-rich schemes.

An undue narcissism (self-absorption) associated with a lack of empathy for others in turn associated with few if any altruistic, caring impulses—what the layman perceives as simple selfishness, self-centeredness, and egocentricity.

A fondness for name-calling that bullies and devalues others who do not agree, yield, permit, and cooperate, with two names especially predominating: “Nazi" and "racist."

A savior identity, especially when associated with smug proselytizing.

A highly developed skill at eliciting pity to get others to feel sorry.

A resolute unyieldingly ambitiousness in search of high position and unlimited power, particularly in a competitive setting.

A tendency to blame others entirely for one’s own actions and failures along the lines of "You did it first,” ”You are one too,” or "You made me do it.”

A tendency to appropriate the letter but not the spirit of the law, especially using the Constitution as a free pass for facilitating and permitting one’s own narcissistic, selfish, and hurtful machinations, e.g., "This is a free country where I can do anything at all that I please."

A marked tendency to self-promote, e.g., ”Why would you want to buy a condominium here up north when you can buy one [of the ones I am putting up] on the water in Florida?"

A covetousness—especially one that involves putting others’ valid achievements down in order to enhance one’s self-image. Example: A colleague asks a writer of self-help books if such books have ever helped anyone. Example: The same colleague asks me, “What possible use can there be for a book on psychopaths?”

An unreliability, e.g., not keeping promises, such as canceling important dates at the last minute, more than once, and always with what appear to be iron-clad excuses that leave others at the minimum faintly uneasy about how true the excuses happen to be.

An immaturity and impulsiveness. Example: equating having a good time with getting high and screaming as loudly as one can in a closed space, oblivious to the fact that one happens to be seriously annoying to others.

A tendency to mistreat pets. Example: beating dogs in the name of disciplining them.

A tendency to mistreat children. Example: taking newborns out to restaurants late at night for one’s personal convenience, e.g., to save money on a baby-sitter.

Kantor, Martin (2006) The Psychopathy of Everyday Life: How Antisocial Personality Disorder Affects Us All. Westport CT: Praeger Publishers.
 

Free Being Me

Crusader
Covert Emotional Manipulation Tactics
http://psychopathsandlove.com/covert-emotional-manipulation-tactics/

Covert emotional manipulation tactics are underhanded methods of control. Emotional manipulation methodically wears down your sense of self-worth, self-confidence, self-concept and trust in your own perceptions. At its worst, you can lose all sense of self and your personal values.

Positive Reinforcement: Praise, flattery, adoration, attention, affection, gifts, superficial sympathy (crocodile tears), superficial charm, recognition, appreciation, intense sex, and declarations of once-in-a-lifetime love. When all of these are present continually at the beginning of the relationship with no negative behavior in sight, it’s called “love-bombing,” and it’s designed to hook us deeply and bond us tightly to our abuser.

Intermittent positive reinforcement: This is a very effective manipulation tactic, one abusers use to great effect. Intermittent positive reinforcement occurs when your relationship goes from nonstop positive reinforcement to only getting attention, appreciation, praise, adoration, declarations of love, etc. once in a while, on a random basis. This will create a climate of doubt, fear and anxiety. You’ll know he’s withdrawing and you’ll fear you’re losing him, but he’ll deny it. This replays over and over until you’re riding and emotional roller coaster, with no way to stop the ride and get off. S/He is doing this on purpose to increase his power and control over you and to make you even more desperate for his love. You have become the proverbial lab rat frantically pushing the lever for a randomly dispensed treat. The rat thinks of nothing else, and neither will you. The bond can become even stronger during this phase, believe it or not. It’s a well-known psychological phenomenon known as traumatic bonding.

Negative reinforcement: The manipulator stops performing a negative behavior (such as giving you the silent treatment) when you comply with his demands.
Not allowing negative emotion: The victim is typically chastised for emotional behavior. The focus is put on the emotional upset itself, not the cause behind it (which conveniently takes the focus off of him). He refuses to hear what it is she wants to talk about. The only subject is her emotion, which is unacceptable; in fact, it’s an issue she needs to work on, and one he finds unattractive.The silent treatment usually follows, which increases her frustration at not being able to express her thoughts and feelings.

Indirect aggressive abuse: Name-calling is direct and obvious, but an underhanded way to make it much less obvious is to drop the angry tone of voice that usually accompanies it, and disguise the insult as teaching, helping, giving advice, or offering solutions. It appears to be a sincere attempt to help, but it’s actually an attempt to belittle, control and demean you, and you will sense this.

Manipulators share intimate information about themselves, their lives and families early on to create a false sense of intimacy. You’ll automatically feel obliged or free to respond, and afterward you’ll trust him more and feel closer to him. Later, you’ll find out most of what he disclosed wasn’t true, and that he’ll use everything you told him about yourself to manipulate you or hurt you.

Triangulation: This is a common and effective tactic of a psychopath’s covert emotional manipulation. The manipulator introduces other women into the relationship in any way he can — by talking about a woman at work, talking about his ex girlfriends, flirting with other women in front of you, or comparing you unfavorably to another woman — just to hurt you, knock you off balance and make you jealous. In a normal relationship, a man will go out of his way to prove he’s trustworthy. The manipulator does just the opposite, and he enjoys watching your pain and angst. He is usually grooming his next target, who he conveniently uses to manipulate you devalue you.

Blaming the victim: This tactic is a powerful means of putting the victim on the defense while simultaneously masking the aggressive intent of the abuser. This usually happens when she questions him about something he wants to hide (such as his involvement with another woman). The victim finds herself put in the defensive mode, and she can’t win. He tells her that her concerns are rooted in her problem with “insecurity” and have nothing to do with his behavior or with reality, and that he finds her insecurity very unattractive. Since this is very unpleasant she learns not to question him, and silently puts up with his bad behavior in the future.

The manipulator will makecarefully chosen insinuating comments to evoke an uncomfortable emotional response or even several responses at once. He knows your weaknesses and your hot-buttons, and he will enjoy dropping a bomb like this and watching the fallout. If someone says something that has multiple negative meanings and causes negative emotions while leaving you flummoxed and without a meaningful response, you’ve experienced it.

Empty words: The abuser can turn on the charm and tell you exactly what you want to hear: “I love you,” “you’re so special to me,” “you’re so important to me,” etc. The problem is they are just words, backed up by nothing. Filling your need for approval, validation, and reassurance with these empty words gives him incredible power over you.

Denying/ Invalidating reality: Invalidating distorts or undermines the victim’s perceptions of their world. Invalidating occurs when the abuser refuses or will not acknowledge reality. For example, if the victim confronts the abuser about an incident of name calling, the abuser may insist, “I never said that,” “I don’t know what you’re talking about.” The same as gaslighting, really, a tactic which is explained below.

Minimizing: The manipulator will tell you you’re making a big deal out of nothing or that you’re “exaggerating” when you confront him with something he’s done.

Withholding: Includes refusing to communicate, refusing to listen, and using emotionally withdrawal as punishment. This is commonly called the “silent treatment.”

Lying: It’s often difficult to know when someone’s lying, but psychopaths are pathological liars who will say anything to get what they want. You may notice they lie so much they can’t keep the details straight. If you question them, they revert to denial.

Lies of omission: A more subtle form of lying where a truth is left out if it’s not convenient.

Gaslighting: An especially frustrating manipulation tactic where you know you heard him say something or saw him do something but when you confront him, he simply denies it. It seems obvious enough but if it’s repeated often, victims can begin to question their “version” of reality. We also want to believe whatever it was didn’t happen, so we may let this absurdity slip by. I forget who said “words are more real than reality,” but that sums it up.

Projecting the Blame: Nothing is ever a psychopath’s fault, and he will always find some crafty way to find a scapegoat
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Diversion and Evasion: When you ask the psychopath a question, instead of answering it he may use diversion (steering the conversation to another topic) or evasion (giving an irrelevant, vague and often rambling response).

Selective forgetting: The manipulator pretends he forgot something important he once said. If you feel the need to use a tape recorder when speaking with someone, covert emotional manipulation is at play.

Refusing to take responsibility for his behavior, for the relationship or for your reactions to it.

Attempts to turn the tables and make you look like the abuser: These skilled manipulators have an arsenal of tactics at their disposal, and they will be pushing as many buttons as possible to get you to lose control. They can inflict so much psychological warfare and make you suppress so much emotion that you can be backed into an emotional corner. When this happens, the intense frustration you feel, but can’t express through normal communication, will cause you to react in self-defense. Emotional reactions in self-defense to an abusive situation do not make you an abuser.

Diminishing and belittling your opinions and ideas non-verbally by using eye-rolls, scoffs, smug smiles, etc. There are plenty of variations.

Hypnotism and trance induction: This is the most powerful manipulation tool a psychopath uses with his victim, and is related to charm. The technique of hypnosis comes naturally to the psychopath, and he mesmerizes his victim to gain emotional control. Hypnosis and trance are the “attraction heat, attachment magnet and bonding glue,” according to Sandra L. Brown, M.A., author of “Women Who Love Psychopaths.” (*This tactic applies only to psychopaths; the rest on this list are also used by all types of manipulators as well as psychopaths.)
 
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Caroline

Patron Meritorious
We all try and influence each other is what I am saying. Somebody can say they aren't, but you only have to talk to them about a dearly held belief to know that this is not the case.

Who decides what is "persuasive" and what is "manipulative"? Nobody can see inside another's heart to their real intentions. You can make guesses - and you will be right sometimes and wrong sometimes. Only the person themselves truly knows.

And maybe there are several reasons for what someone is doing. Maybe it's true that they need a new dress but also want you to come shopping with them to get you out of the house because they think you're depressed.

This may be helpful:

Ethel Spector Person said:
Manipulativeness in Entrepreneurs and Psychopaths

Manipulation is a specific kind of interpersonal interaction. Initiated by one individual to influence the feelings and behavior of another, it may serve intrapsychic purposes or goal-oriented aims or both. The manipulator is determined to get what he wants, to have things his way. Acutely sensitive to interpersonal cues, he intuitively knows how to use the emotions, needs and weaknesses revealed to him for his own ends. He rarely responds with empathy or exhibits a sincere desire to help.

Manipulation, of course, takes many forms. [...]

The kind of manipulation utilized by psychopaths, however, is generally based on charm. The manipulator appears to be helpful, charming, even ingratiating or seductive, but is covertly hostile, domineering, or, at best, neutral in interaction with another individual (object). This object is perceived as an aggressor, a competitor, or merely as an instrument to be used. The manipulative maneuver is related to the seduction of the aggressor as described by Lowenstein, a topic to be explored later in this chapter.

The purpose of manipulation varies with different personalities in different situations, but it usually falls into one of three categories: the pursuit of personal gain, the stabilization of self-esteem, or the symbolic destruction or domination of the object, all under a guileless facade. Manipulation in the interpersonal field can serve both as an adaptive technique and as a defensive maneuver, and is found across a wide spectrum of personality types and occupational groups. However, it is the hallmark or signature of psychopaths and of some other individuals who come for treatment, in particular some entrepreneurs.

There are important differences between psychopaths and other manipulators, such as entrepreneurs. Entrepreneurs often lead successful and productive lives, while a downward drift in the lives of psychopaths is inevitable. In the entrepreneur, manipulation may be bent purely to intrapsychic aims, but is more often linked to goal-oriented behavior. Even when it is used simply to establish dominance, manipulation is subject to and qualified by reality demands, and internal demands may be delayed. In the psychopath, the urgency of intrapsychic needs is such that manipulation inevitably becomes the end-all and is no longer qualified by the reality principle. In entrepreneurs, manipulation is elective; in psychopaths, it is obligatory. Manipulation, in and of itself, is a neutral technique which may issue in positive or even creative endeavors, or may be the vehicle of destructive and self-destructive aims.

Although the current trend in psychiatric discourse is to focus almost exclusively on diagnostic categories or specific disorders, it remains critically important to evaluate defense mechanisms and personality styles, since they are predictive of particular transference struggles. [...]

Reid, W. H. (1986). Unmasking the psychopath: Antisocial personality and related syndromes. New York: Norton.

Manipulation of people by on-source Scientologists is, of course, scripturally driven, or "doctrinally motivated," in service of, and in compliance with, the Command Intention of L. Ron Hubbard, DM, and Scientology's other sociopathic cult leaders.
 

Caroline

Patron Meritorious
Kantor said:
Some learning theorists view psychopathy as an acquired skill--an adaptive if seminormal mechanism that provides the individual with a way to avoid danger or to get out of danger once in it. In this view, psychopathy is less a compulsive and automatic problem than a considered and purposeful mechanism, less like a true unplanned personality disorder and more like a "disorder" of convenience--a method there for all to use when they feel that their circumstances warrant a form of behavior, no matter how extreme, that allows them to survive and prosper even if to do so they mut take advantage of another person and of the world.

Machiavelli's The Prince is, in effect a teaching manual on how to become a psychopath. [...]

Kantor, Martin (2006) The Psychopathy of Everyday Life: How Antisocial Personality Disorder Affects Us All. Westport, CT: Praeger.

Gerry Armstrong discusses Scientology's learned psychopathic behaviors in "Who or What Sold Out:"

Gerry said:
The reason a lot of people oppose Scientology – the cult, the tech — whether they know it or not, is its generation in its adherents of a mental and behavioral condition of psychopathy. People identify a number of other nefarious things Scientologists do as reasons for opposing Scientology: the lying, the manipulation, the fraud, the extortion, the disconnection, the RPF, the barratry, the fair game, etc. These evils all depend, however, on Scientologists’ psychopathic condition, and are the dramatization of the condition. Because these acts are all directed at persons, and Scientologists are organized for the purpose of committing these acts against persons, indeed classes of citizens, Scientology constitutes a criminal conspiracy.

That psychopathy is generated in Scientologists by Scientology and is not necessarily a stable state, or permanent condition, is demonstrated by the fact that some at least of those who are reestablished as wogs lose the gained state or condition. Scientology also attracts pre-existing psychopaths, and cult founder L. Ron Hubbard was a psychopath; so not everyone who leaves the cult stops being one.

[...]

It is very well known that Hubbard is reported claiming he authored The Prince, and that in the 1970’s he was still fuming at Machiavelli for stealing it from him — Ronaldo de Medici? — and publishing it under Machiavelli’s name.

I am not the first person to observe Scientolopathy as a valuable final product of the Scientology system. Richard Behar’s monumental “Thriving Cult of Greed and Power” article in the May 6, 1991 Time quotes Dr. Edward Lottick, whose son Noah the Scientologists apparently drove to commit suicide.

His death inspired his father Edward, a physician, to start his own investigation of the church. We thought Scientology was something like Dale Carnegie. I now believe it’s a school for psychopaths.[SUP]1[/SUP]

When the Time article appeared, I was oddly and deeply saddened by Noah’s story. I was already actively opposing Scientology and a target. Oral argument in Scientology’s appeal from the Breckenridge decision had been on February 20 that year. I had filed a letter brief [SUP]2[/SUP] in response to Scientology on February 27. I had just been deposed for two days, April 24 and 25, 1991 in Corydon v. Scientology. I had given away my worldly possessions in August 1990, except what no one would want, and I knew that Scientology was still victimizing people and fair gaming good wogs. So I felt for Noah and his family, and having been a young man in Scientology, I knew what the Scientologists could do that could drive a young man to suicide.

A year or two later, I met Ed Lottick at a CAN Conference – it was probably Minneapolis – and talked with him a little about Noah and Scientology. It happened that I’d seen John Carmichael in the cult contingent at the conference, and I offered to introduce Dr. Lottick to him. I had known Carmichael since the Christofferson trial in 1985 in Portland, Oregon. He was the President of the Portland Scientology operation, and an OSA staffer. He had been on a radio program attacking me that I’d listened to around the time of the trial. He had transferred to New York, and had been the President of the New York operation, and, of course, OSA, since 1987. Noah had reportedly committed suicide on May 11, 1990.

Dr. Lottick said he’d like to meet Carmichael, so I accompanied him to where Carmichael was seated with some other Scientologists or collaborators, and I introduced them. Dr. Lottick had known of Carmichael, of course, because of investigations that were done into Noah’s death. What I remember of the conversation was Dr. Lottick maintaining his composure and dignity, while calmly and kindly communicating and observing Carmichael. And I remember Carmichael claiming more ignorance of the Lottick family than was believable, and emanating not even fake sympathy but contempt. As we walked away from the encounter, I got the feeling that Carmichael confirmed for Dr. Lottick his belief, which Time reported, that Scientology is a school for psychopaths.

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[SUP]1[/SUP]. Scientology: The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power
[SUP]2[/SUP]. http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/legal/a1/appeal/ltr-clerk-1991-02-27.html

Armstrong, G. (2011, 3 September) Who or What Sold Out? gerryarmstrong.ca. Retrieved from http://gerryarmstrong.ca/archives/213
 

AnonKat

Crusader
http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/writings/total-freedom.html

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Scientology's Ultimate Weapon:



by

Gerry Armstrong


In 1956, Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard warned of the danger and evil in seeming to promise, and goading people on to “total freedom.”

Life is a game. A game consists of freedom, barriers and purposes. This is a scientific fact, not merely an observation.

Freedom exists amongst barriers. A totality of barriers and a totality of freedom alike are no-game conditions. Each is similarly cruel. Each is similarly purposeless.

Great revolutionary movements fail. They promise unlimited freedom. That is the road to failure. Only stupid visionaries chant of endless freedom.

[…]

An endless desire for freedom from is a perfect trap, a fear of all things.

[…]

Executives in business and government can fail in three ways and thus bring about a chaos in their department. They can:

1. Seem to give endless freedom.

[…]

An employee buying and/or insisting upon freedom only will become a slave.

[...]

It has been stylish in past ages to insist only upon freedom. The French Revolution furnishes an excellent example for this. In the late part of the 18th Century, the nobles of France became so self-determined against the remainder of the country and were so incapable of taking the parts of the populace that the nobles were destroyed. Immediately the populace itself sought to take over the government and, being trained and being intensely antipathetic to any and all restraints, their war cry became “Freedom." They had no further restrictions or barriers. The rules of government were thrown aside. Theft and brigandage took the place of economics. The populace, therefore, found itself in a deeper trap and discovered itself to be involved with a dictatorship which was far more restrictive than anything they had experienced before the Revolution.

Although man continually uses "Freedom" for his war cry he only succeeds in establishing farther entrapment for himself.

[…]

A race which is educated to think in terms of freedom only is very easily entrapped. No one in the nation will take responsibility for restrictions, therefore restrictions apparently become less and less. As these restrictions lessen so lessens the freedom of the individual.

[...]

There are various states of mind which bring about happiness. That state of mind which insists only upon freedom can bring about nothing but unhappiness. It would be better to develop a thought pattern which looked for new ways to be entrapped and things to be trapped in, than to suffer the eventual total entrapment of dwelling upon freedom only.

— Professional Auditor’s Bulletin 84, 15 May 1956, “The Reason Why,” by L. Ron Hubbard
This version is printed in Volume 3 of the Technical Bulletins of Dianetics and Scientology, © 1991

An earlier published version stated: “by L. Ron Hubbard, Ph.D., C.E.”

The same essay “The Reason Why” has also been published in every printing of the book Scientology the Fundamentals of Thought from the first printing in 1956. The essay is Scientology “scripture” and has never been “cancelled,” nor Hubbard’s authorship questioned.

Ten years later, however, and from then on until his death, Hubbard whistled a new tune, or really gave up whistling altogether for that old war cry he’d forewarned everyone about in 1956 – Freedom! In HCO Policy Letter of 15 February 1966, “Attacks on Scientology,” he wrote:

Having had some time to think this over and having studied the matter with great care, I have isolated the most successful response to meeting any and all attacks on Scientology, its organizations and Scientologists and as of this date this becomes policy.

ADVOCATE TOTAL FREEDOM

That is the policy — advocate total freedom.

[...]

This is also the basic purpose of Scientology and the basic purpose of people, so it all agrees well.

[...]

So never advertise an attack. Just advocate more strongly "Total Freedom!" and show how Scientology can attain it for the individual.

Careful summary of our past actions in the face of attacks and an analysis of various changes in human history show that the best and only effective thing we did or anyone ever did was advocate freedom. The precise practice of Scientology obtains total freedom so never advertise anything else but total freedom and the Scientology services and steps that bring it about. Courses, processing are the gradient scale to total freedom.

That's the answer no nation or person can stand up to-if we keep saying it long and loud. SCIENTOLOGY IS THE ROAD TO TOTAL FREEDOM.

Used in argument one can invent reasons to baffle the attacking agency or person-but all these reasons should add up to everyone has rights to total freedom.

http://www.suppressiveperson.org/hate/pubs/pl-1966-02-15-attacks-on-scn.html

On February 18, 1966, Hubbard issued a policy letter also called “Attacks on Scientology,” continuing the February 15 PL. He repeats the “total freedom” stratagem, and provides the public “justification” for its implementation.

When you hold up an image of freedom, all those who oppress freedom tend to attack. Therefore attacks, on whatever grounds, are inevitable. Holding up a freedom image is however the only successful forward action even though it gets attacked.

[...]

Actions [which] have been positive in stopping attacks:

[...]

Going on advertising total freedom;

[...]

Groups that attack us are to say the least not sane. According to our technology this means they have hidden areas and disreputable facts about them.

[...]

To hold up to Man an image of spiritual freedom is adventurous. Man is suppressed. And those who oppress him have a peculiar frame of reference. This is:

1. If anyone became free or powerful, a suppressive believes he would promptly be slaughtered.

http://www.suppressiveperson.org/hate/pubs/pl-1966-02-18-attacks-on-scn.html

These two policy letters, of February 15 and 18, 1966, have been re-published in The Organization Executive Course, the books of Hubbard’s “Administration Technology,” and the PLs are required study by the Scientology cult’s intelligence bureau personnel.

4. HCO PL 15 Feb 66 I ATTACKS ON SCIENTOLOGY ___ ___ ___
5. ESSAY: Give 5 examples of how you would apply the
policy to advocate total freedom to meet any and
all attacks on Scientology. Explain why this
policy works. Turn your write-up in to the
Supervisor. ___ ___ ___
*6. HCO PL 18 Feb 66 ATTACKS ON SCIENTOLOGY
(Continued) ___ ___ ___
7. DEMO: Demonstrate an actual example of how you
could employ each of "The Third Group of Actions"
to stop an attack, as covered in the above PL:

http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/osa-int-ed-508r.html

Less than two weeks after he issued these PLs, Hubbard officially created the notorious Guardian’s Office, with his Policy Letter of 1 March 1966, “The Guardian.” Even current cult leader David Miscavige describes the GO, which Hubbard created, operated, and renamed the Office of Special Affairs, as a criminal organization.

In a third policy letter from the same period, with the same title “Attacks on Scientology,” dated February 25, 1966, which was not published in the OEC Volumes, but was required in GO training manuals, Hubbard ordered what actually was to be his cultists’ “response to meeting any and all attacks on Scientology, its organizations and Scientologists.”

NEVER agree to an investigation of Scientology. ONLY agree to an investigation of the attackers.

[...]

This is correct procedure:

(1) Spot who is attacking us.

(2) Start Investigating them promptly for FELONIES or worse using our own professionals, not outside agencies.

(3) Double curve our reply by saying we welcome an investigation of them.

(4) Start feeding lurid, blood, sex, crime actual evidence on the attackers to the press.

Don't ever tamely submit to an investigation of us. Make it rough, rough on attackers all the way.

[…]

[A]ttackers are simply an anti-Scientology propaganda agency so far as we are concerned. They have proven they want no facts and will only lie no matter what they discover. So BANISH all ideas that any fair hearing is intended and start our attack with their first breath. Never wait. Never talk about us - only them. Use their blood, sex, crime to get headlines. Don't use us.

I speak from 15 years of experience in this. There has never yet been an attacker who was not reeking with crime. All we had to do was look for it and murder would come out.

[...]

Remember - the only reason we are in trouble with the press or governments is that we are not searching out and exposing rotten spots in the society. We must practice on the whole group called society. If we do not it will attack us just as a preclear will attack a Scientologist that won't audit him. To get wholly over to cause we must select targets, investigate and expose before they attack us.

http://www.suppressiveperson.org/hate/pubs/pl-1966-02-25-attacks-on-scn.html

In yet another PL from the same period, HCO Policy Letter of 17 February 1966 “Public Investigation Section,” Hubbard wrote:

The purpose of this section is:

"TO HELP LRH INVESTIGATE PUBLIC MATTERS AND INDIVIDUALS WHICH SEEM TO IMPEDE HUMAN LIBERTY SO THAT SUCH MATTERS MAY BE EXPOSED AND TO FURNISH INTELLIGENCE REQUIRED IN GUIDING THE PROGRESS OF SCIENTOLOGY."

[...]

It will be seen that the section has all the useful functions of an intelligence and propaganda agency. It finds the data and sees that it gets action.

[…]

As Scientology stands for freedom, those who don't want freedom tend to attack it. The Section investigates the attacking group's individual members and sees that the results of the investigation get adequate legal action and publicity.

[...]

See that enough of the data is made available to the state or world agencies to obtain convictions.

See that excellent press coverage is given the disclosures over as long a period of time as possible.

See that HCO and Scientology are given full credit for protecting human rights and liberty.

[...]

PROCEDURES

Standard intelligence procedures are used.

[...]

The section should note that press and the public are interested in murder, assault, destruction, violence, sex and dishonesty in that order. Investigations which can uncover these factors in the activities of individuals of a group attacking Scientology are valuable in the degree that they contain a number of these factors. The more factors a case contains the more important the case is. The idea is that the press feeds on these factors and we feed them someone else's.

[...]

Associating the attacking group's activities with reprehensible groups in the past by using familiar descriptive words will be found very effective. For example, if the word "white" has been made hateful to the public by some past criminal group we use "white" in our descriptive terminology concerning the group that is attacking us and whom we are investigating. "Psychiatric blood sports" is an example, blood sports being lately very much derogated.

[...]

As one holds up an image of freedom to the public the more suppressive groups and individuals in the society attack it. Hitler, for instance, would have attacked any group just because it was free. In that way we then get rid of suppressive groups by investigation and disclosure.

Section investigators would do well to study the technology on suppressive persons.

http://www.suppressiveperson.org/hate/pubs/pl-1966-02-17-public-investigation-section.html

The “Public Investigation Section” policy letter was required training for GO intelligence personnel. The PL is still required training for the Miscavige regime’s intelligence personnel, and in fact provides the “post purpose” for the cult’s intel personnel.

"TO HELP LRH INVESTIGATE PUBLIC MATTERS AND INDIVIDUALS WHICH SEEM TO IMPEDE HUMAN LIBERTY SO THAT SUCH MATTERS MAY BE EXPOSED AND TO FURNISH INTELLIGENCE REQUIRED IN GUIDING THE PROGRESS OF SCIENTOLOGY." – LRH
(HCO PL 17 FEB 1966, PUBLIC INVESTIGATION SECTION)

http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/osa-int-ed-508r.html

In yet another publication from the same period, HCO Executive Letter of 21 February 1966, “The Calculated Risk,” which was also required in GO training, Hubbard wrote:

By working 18 hours a day on research and the rest on administrative matters, by August of 1965 I had the full answers to total freedom.

[…]

[Scientology’s] ultimate “weapon” was attained before the shades of night hit the planet, before the Big Bomb went and before suppressive groups totally shackled Mankind.

The ultimate weapon is total freedom. A freedom no benighted beast can send to Auschwitz. A freedom no gestapo can curtail. A freedom that is completely unqualified.

http://www.suppressiveperson.org/hate/pubs/hco-exec-ltr-1966-02-21-calculated-risk.html

From 1966, without cease, Scientology’s leaders, first Hubbard and then the Miscavige regime, have been beating on their opponents, and on their own people, with this ultimate weapon, total freedom. The cult’s leaders promise unlimited freedom, use "Total Freedom" for their war cry, and have turned their own people into stupid visionaries chanting of endless freedom. Just as Hubbard predicted, Scientology and Scientologists, with their cruel total freedom lie, are well down the road to failure, caught in Hubbard’s “perfect trap,” only becoming slaves.

Hubbard’s total freedom trick is indispensable to the Scientology cult’s “Suppressive Person” doctrine, and its execution or application, which Hubbard dubbed “Fair Game.” Since Scientology promises “total freedom,” and since “total freedom” is the “basic purpose of Scientology,” the doctrine proclaims, people who criticize Scientology’s lies, fraud, abuses and criminality are opposed to freedom. These are the “Suppressive Persons.” They are counter-intention to Scientology’s intention, which is, the Scientologists cry, “Total Freedom,” and, being SPs, have no rights, but are to be “obliterated.”

The Scientologists declare that SPs can’t stand the idea of anyone being totally free. In truth, it is the enslaved Scientologists who can’t stand the idea of freedom, who can’t even stand people being free of Scientology. The Scientologists declare that even leaving Scientology is a “Suppressive Act,” for which the people leaving will be vilified as opposing freedom and supporting slavery.

The language the cult leaders use to assault their manufactured “enemies,” and their own cult slaves, with their “ultimate weapon” is bellicose and dangerous, extremist black propaganda.

Their actions are destructive and aimed at the enslavement rather than the freedom of man.

[…]

Their continual harmful acts to themselves and their continued desire to drag others to the level of beasts and animals devoid of spiritual qualities places them in the psychiatric camp of those who manufacture madness for profit.

http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/cult/osa-int-ed-19-squirrels.html

The Scientology cult flogs its “total freedom” trap on the Internet.

Scientology®: The Route to Total Freedom

"As much of Scientology is true for you as you know of it, those who know it only by name react to the hope of it. And as one advances upon the road, one knows more and more of it and is more and more free. Unlike so many promises made to man and which have made him fear disappointment, Scientology delivers. It may be over a rough road. It may be over a smooth one. But Scientology eventually delivers all it says it can."

L. Ron Hubbard from The AUDITOR® magazine Issue 13

http://www.smi.org/route/

Scientology calls its whole system of “training,” “processing” and the “Suppressive Person” doctrine, the “Bridge to Total Freedom.” The cult screams its war cry “Total Freedom” relentlessly in its advertising and marketing campaigns. And Scientology, of course, calls its black propaganda publication for “investigating” Suppressive Persons, and dishing up lurid, blood, sex and lies about them, ““Freedom.””

Is there is any organization, group or cult on earth preaching, promising and pumping “Total Freedom” more than Scientology? And is there any organization that seeks such total slavery of its own citizens, and even seeks the total slavery of free men in the rest of the world, where any criticism makes a citizen a “criminal” and triggers the “Suppressive Person” doctrine?

The Scientologists justify whatever evil they do to critics of their cult’s antisocial, anti-human rights, and even criminal policies and practices, with Scientology’s inculcated computation that critics – the SPs -- are opposed to freedom, and therefore attack because the cult is the “route to total freedom.” Scientologists’ enslavement requires that they automatically and robotically hate and war against those SPs, the good people who dare to and are still free to criticize. It is extremely difficult for Scientologists to break free from their slave state, in no small part because of their knowledge that they will themselves be hated and warred upon if they ever did try to escape their total freedom chains.

On their Route to Total Freedom, Scientologists do as Hubbard, in a saner moment, postulated they would. They have suffered their eventual total entrapment. They become afraid of all things, even their own freedom.




See also: The TOTAL FREEDOM Gallery




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Purple Rain

Crusader
Here's a hopefully helpful checklist of behaviorial characteristics from Dr. Martin Kantor's The Psychopathy of Everyday Life, which includes "a highly developed skill in the elicitation of pity." Emphasis added below.

I don't need to be scared of any of these people. Next time I see a lady out late with a baby I'll run for the hills. These are not "psycopaths" but flawed ordinary people. What a crock of shit.

Last night I watched a movie about a TRUE psychopath - someone people really should know how to recognise. And it's not with all this "reds under the bed" stuff. I don't have anything else to say on this thread - except "hello, tomorrow's yesterday's fad". I'm out.

Edit:

Covert Emotional Manipulation Tactics
http://psychopathsandlove.com/covert-emotional-manipulation-tactics/

Covert emotional manipulation tactics are underhanded methods of control. Emotional manipulation methodically wears down your sense of self-worth, self-confidence, self-concept and trust in your own perceptions. At its worst, you can lose all sense of self and your personal values.

Positive Reinforcement: Praise, flattery, adoration, attention, affection, gifts, superficial sympathy (crocodile tears), superficial charm, recognition, appreciation, intense sex, and declarations of once-in-a-lifetime love. When all of these are present continually at the beginning of the relationship with no negative behavior in sight, it’s called “love-bombing,” and it’s designed to hook us deeply and bond us tightly to our abuser.

Intermittent positive reinforcement: This is a very effective manipulation tactic, one abusers use to great effect. Intermittent positive reinforcement occurs when your relationship goes from nonstop positive reinforcement to only getting attention, appreciation, praise, adoration, declarations of love, etc. once in a while, on a random basis. This will create a climate of doubt, fear and anxiety. You’ll know he’s withdrawing and you’ll fear you’re losing him, but he’ll deny it. This replays over and over until you’re riding and emotional roller coaster, with no way to stop the ride and get off. S/He is doing this on purpose to increase his power and control over you and to make you even more desperate for his love. You have become the proverbial lab rat frantically pushing the lever for a randomly dispensed treat. The rat thinks of nothing else, and neither will you. The bond can become even stronger during this phase, believe it or not. It’s a well-known psychological phenomenon known as traumatic bonding.

Negative reinforcement: The manipulator stops performing a negative behavior (such as giving you the silent treatment) when you comply with his demands.
Not allowing negative emotion: The victim is typically chastised for emotional behavior. The focus is put on the emotional upset itself, not the cause behind it (which conveniently takes the focus off of him). He refuses to hear what it is she wants to talk about. The only subject is her emotion, which is unacceptable; in fact, it’s an issue she needs to work on, and one he finds unattractive.The silent treatment usually follows, which increases her frustration at not being able to express her thoughts and feelings.

Indirect aggressive abuse: Name-calling is direct and obvious, but an underhanded way to make it much less obvious is to drop the angry tone of voice that usually accompanies it, and disguise the insult as teaching, helping, giving advice, or offering solutions. It appears to be a sincere attempt to help, but it’s actually an attempt to belittle, control and demean you, and you will sense this.

Manipulators share intimate information about themselves, their lives and families early on to create a false sense of intimacy. You’ll automatically feel obliged or free to respond, and afterward you’ll trust him more and feel closer to him. Later, you’ll find out most of what he disclosed wasn’t true, and that he’ll use everything you told him about yourself to manipulate you or hurt you.

Triangulation: This is a common and effective tactic of a psychopath’s covert emotional manipulation. The manipulator introduces other women into the relationship in any way he can — by talking about a woman at work, talking about his ex girlfriends, flirting with other women in front of you, or comparing you unfavorably to another woman — just to hurt you, knock you off balance and make you jealous. In a normal relationship, a man will go out of his way to prove he’s trustworthy. The manipulator does just the opposite, and he enjoys watching your pain and angst. He is usually grooming his next target, who he conveniently uses to manipulate you devalue you.

Blaming the victim: This tactic is a powerful means of putting the victim on the defense while simultaneously masking the aggressive intent of the abuser. This usually happens when she questions him about something he wants to hide (such as his involvement with another woman). The victim finds herself put in the defensive mode, and she can’t win. He tells her that her concerns are rooted in her problem with “insecurity” and have nothing to do with his behavior or with reality, and that he finds her insecurity very unattractive. Since this is very unpleasant she learns not to question him, and silently puts up with his bad behavior in the future.

The manipulator will makecarefully chosen insinuating comments to evoke an uncomfortable emotional response or even several responses at once. He knows your weaknesses and your hot-buttons, and he will enjoy dropping a bomb like this and watching the fallout. If someone says something that has multiple negative meanings and causes negative emotions while leaving you flummoxed and without a meaningful response, you’ve experienced it.

Empty words: The abuser can turn on the charm and tell you exactly what you want to hear: “I love you,” “you’re so special to me,” “you’re so important to me,” etc. The problem is they are just words, backed up by nothing. Filling your need for approval, validation, and reassurance with these empty words gives him incredible power over you.

Denying/ Invalidating reality: Invalidating distorts or undermines the victim’s perceptions of their world. Invalidating occurs when the abuser refuses or will not acknowledge reality. For example, if the victim confronts the abuser about an incident of name calling, the abuser may insist, “I never said that,” “I don’t know what you’re talking about.” The same as gaslighting, really, a tactic which is explained below.

Minimizing: The manipulator will tell you you’re making a big deal out of nothing or that you’re “exaggerating” when you confront him with something he’s done.

Withholding: Includes refusing to communicate, refusing to listen, and using emotionally withdrawal as punishment. This is commonly called the “silent treatment.”

Lying: It’s often difficult to know when someone’s lying, but psychopaths are pathological liars who will say anything to get what they want. You may notice they lie so much they can’t keep the details straight. If you question them, they revert to denial.

Lies of omission: A more subtle form of lying where a truth is left out if it’s not convenient.

Gaslighting: An especially frustrating manipulation tactic where you know you heard him say something or saw him do something but when you confront him, he simply denies it. It seems obvious enough but if it’s repeated often, victims can begin to question their “version” of reality. We also want to believe whatever it was didn’t happen, so we may let this absurdity slip by. I forget who said “words are more real than reality,” but that sums it up.

Projecting the Blame: Nothing is ever a psychopath’s fault, and he will always find some crafty way to find a scapegoat
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Diversion and Evasion: When you ask the psychopath a question, instead of answering it he may use diversion (steering the conversation to another topic) or evasion (giving an irrelevant, vague and often rambling response).

Selective forgetting: The manipulator pretends he forgot something important he once said. If you feel the need to use a tape recorder when speaking with someone, covert emotional manipulation is at play.

Refusing to take responsibility for his behavior, for the relationship or for your reactions to it.

Attempts to turn the tables and make you look like the abuser: These skilled manipulators have an arsenal of tactics at their disposal, and they will be pushing as many buttons as possible to get you to lose control. They can inflict so much psychological warfare and make you suppress so much emotion that you can be backed into an emotional corner. When this happens, the intense frustration you feel, but can’t express through normal communication, will cause you to react in self-defense. Emotional reactions in self-defense to an abusive situation do not make you an abuser.

Diminishing and belittling your opinions and ideas non-verbally by using eye-rolls, scoffs, smug smiles, etc. There are plenty of variations.

Hypnotism and trance induction: This is the most powerful manipulation tool a psychopath uses with his victim, and is related to charm. The technique of hypnosis comes naturally to the psychopath, and he mesmerizes his victim to gain emotional control. Hypnosis and trance are the “attraction heat, attachment magnet and bonding glue,” according to Sandra L. Brown, M.A., author of “Women Who Love Psychopaths.” (*This tactic applies only to psychopaths; the rest on this list are also used by all types of manipulators as well as psychopaths.)

You know nothing "wears down my sense of self-worth, self-confidence, self-concept and trust in my own perceptions" like these "lists". They really upset me. I could freaking list on them forever.

Edit to the edit: "On taking a baby out at night, has anything been suppressed?" "DID you take a baby out at night?" "Has anyone you've known ever taken a baby out at night?" "Are you connected to somebody who takes babies out at night?"
 

Caroline

Patron Meritorious
Here's what Hubbard had to say about the pity play in Science of Survival.

Hubbard said:
At 0.5 we reach the level of grief, wherein we have supplications by the individual, his pleas for pity, his desperate efforts to win support by tears. We may even have at this level extremely strange perversions of truth intended to achieve the pity and support of others. For instance, the rejected sweetheart, reaching this level of grief, may invent all manner of odd and peculiar incidents of cruelty on the part of the past lover in order to win the sympathy of those around her.

Sinking below grief, one reaches apathy, wherein affinity is expressed by complete withdrawal from person or people. There is in apathy no real attempt to contact one's self and no attempt to contact others. Here we have a null point of dissonance which is on the threshold of death.

The auditor has a handy measuring stick with the affinity scale, since he can, by observing the preclear, establish the preclear's attitude toward people or groups and discover the position of the preclear on the chart. Further, by watching the relations of the preclear with others improve, he can see the gradual rise in tone of the case.

Hubbard, L. (1951) Science of Survival. (2007 ed., p. 65). Los Angeles: Bridge Publications, Inc.

Pity is below "Body Death" on Hubbard's 1971 expanded tone scale.

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Scientologists train to dramatize or "create" Pity, just as with every other emotion listed on the expanded tone scale. This is key to their ability to control and manipulate their marks. Because tone scale tech is so basic, I think it would be a serious error to immediately accept as genuine any of their emotional output. I'd also try to remain alert to changes in my own emotions, attitudes, outlooks and behaviors after being in touch with Scientologists or Scientology supporters.

I don't see how anyone could recover from Scientology without jettisoning the tone scale tech that requires them to manufacture and manipulate people's emotions, including their own. People have to get back in touch with their human emotions and reactions, as HE&Ry as that might sound to the Scientologists.
 

Purple Rain

Crusader
Here's what Hubbard had to say about the pity play in Science of Survival.



Pity is below "Body Death" on Hubbard's 1971 expanded tone scale.

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Scientologists train to dramatize or "create" Pity, just as with every other emotion listed on the expanded tone scale. This is key to their ability to control and manipulate their marks. Because tone scale tech is so basic, I think it would be a serious error to immediately accept as genuine any of their emotional output. I'd also try to remain alert to changes in my own emotions, attitudes, outlooks and behaviors after being in touch with Scientologists or Scientology supporters.

I don't see how anyone could recover from Scientology without jettisoning the tone scale tech that requires them to manufacture and manipulate people's emotions, including their own. People have to get back in touch with their human emotions and reactions, as HE&Ry as that might sound to the Scientologists.

You have the gall to post all of this after chasing Karen de la Carriere across more than two messageboards and wreaking untold destruction on the communities there. My advice is to remove the plank in your own eye before going looking for the mote in those who might identify as "Scientologists".
 

Free Being Me

Crusader
Another tool of manipulators is FOG: Fear Obligation Guilt.

Out Of The FOG
http://outofthefog.net/CommonNonBehaviors/FOG.html
FOG - Fear, Obligation & Guilt - The acronym FOG, for Fear, Obligation and Guilt, was first coined by Susan Forward & Donna Frazier in Emotional Blackmail and describes feelings that a person often has when in a relationship with someone who suffers from a personality disorder. Our website, Out of the FOG, is named after this acronym.

Fear, Obligation, and Guilt (FOG) in Relationships
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...ear-obligation-and-guilt-fog-in-relationships
According to Susan Forward, Ph.D. (Forward and Frazier 1997), emotional blackmail is a “powerful form of manipulation in which people close to us threaten, directly or indirectly, to punish us if we don’t do what they want." The main tool of the trade, Forward says, is FOG: fear, obligation, and guilt.
 

Claire Swazey

Spokeshole, fence sitter
If there's a tool to be used, those who feel they need it will use it- even if it's a psychological/manipulative one. A sociopath may use it, someone with just a few problems may use it, someone who's really together may fuck up once in a while, be less than perfect, and use it.

I maintain, the real way to know who's a sociopath- is to be physically around that person on a frequent and ongoing basis and ascertain that they customarily harm others.
 

Claire Swazey

Spokeshole, fence sitter
I've met people who seemed to cause no end of problems for one or two people but not others. Or toward me. I finally came to the understanding that it didn't matter if they were an anti social personality or anything like that. I could -and should- just make the determination that I'd rather not be around them.

I've known some people who were actually pretty awful to deal with but they loved their families. I tend to doubt they were sociopaths but they sure as hell weren't so good for me to be around. Doesn't matter. The end result is that one has met someone and decided how best to proceed.
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
What's the logical fallacy where you take one attribute or one set of behaviors and you assign that one thing to the WHOLE PERSON?

That.

That is the logical fallacy going on here.

That one.

Alanzo
 

Free Being Me

Crusader
If there's a tool to be used, those who feel they need it will use it- even if it's a psychological/manipulative one. A sociopath may use it, someone with just a few problems may use it, someone who's really together may fuck up once in a while, be less than perfect, and use it.

I maintain, the real way to know who's a sociopath- is to be physically around that person on a frequent and ongoing basis and ascertain that they customarily harm others.

I've met people who seemed to cause no end of problems for one or two people but not others. Or toward me. I finally came to the understanding that it didn't matter if they were an anti social personality or anything like that. I could -and should- just make the determination that I'd rather not be around them.

I've known some people who were actually pretty awful to deal with but they loved their families. I tend to doubt they were sociopaths but they sure as hell weren't so good for me to be around. Doesn't matter. The end result is that one has met someone and decided how best to proceed.

For the sake of clarity, recognizing the red flags in their proper context of a person being manipulative through observable behavior with the information previously posted on this thread (not to mention Google is your friend) gives some base point criteria to work with and learn from.
 

Claire Swazey

Spokeshole, fence sitter
I just look at what people are doing and saying. I can find the red flags, purple flags, whatever color ones. By the fruits of their labors shall ye know them.

I already left a cult that tried so very hard to quantify others that they ended up labeling people, and, in effect, branding them. Lots of labels there.

I guess that some diagnoses are a good idea, but I just think there are some pitfalls.
 

clamicide

Gold Meritorious Patron
What's the logical fallacy where you take one attribute or one set of behaviors and you assign that one thing to the WHOLE PERSON?

That.

That is the logical fallacy going on here.

That one.

Alanzo

What's the logical fallacy where you take one attribute or one set of behaviors and you assign that one thing to the WHOLE PERSON?

That.

That is the logical fallacy going on here.

That one.

Alanzo

no offense, but totally missing the point... dear homina-homina... this place is the absolute waste-bucket of mis-assigning logical fallacies. and I don't think you meant it with malice, but omfg... No, that's not what is going on if people look at it rationally; if they go into the psycho "name the SP" of the cult, yeah, then that will probably happen.

The idiotic vehemence that I have seen on this board that couches itself behind claiming use of logical fallacies against the 'defense', just pisses me off. No, I haven't kept records, but... I've seen it happen. I've said before, that I forwarded stuff onto a professor with whom I was studying the Trivium, and he pretty much went WTF? There's a chance some of this crap might wind up in his future curriculum. You guys made it public record... so... ??

Name the instance, name your complaint. I have a got a lot out of what a lot of you have posted here in the past Alanzo, but maybe I'm old and itching for a fight. Name the logical fallacy and the instance... and if it's there, I promise I will note it. It does happen, but I'm so freaking sick of people naming logical fallacy when none existed, that I guess I'm willing to finally put on the armor... and dang-it, the poster who I will not name, knows who he is and drove me to this... aargh. I seriously was trying to sleep, but you tugged on my conscious... dang.
 
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