The Reactive Mind DOES NOT Exist --and never did!

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bobo

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OT is what you make of it. You can even be OT without doing some OT levels. Only these things can manifest itself of which the person he himself is or can be aware. For the same reason you can only audit out (remove the barrier) these things that you can actually see. Part of this is the level of responsibility one has taken. An OT cannibal also still would make just a cannibal.

Do OT powers exist. I believe they do. I have seen people being able to do strange things. One should be aware of one thing though and that is fear. If you let fear take control then forget becoming OT.

RR

I fully agree.

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bobo

Guest
Could anybody tell me what a R6 bank picture looks like?

It doesnt have to be precisely, but in terms of sort of picture, I dont have a clue.

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RolandRB

Rest in Peace
I wonder how many serial killers and megalomaniacs have used that line through history? :) Perhaps you were just doing God's work? Did "the voices" tell you to do it?

I was doing the work, in the way I could, that governments of the world should have done a long time ago.
 

Tanstaafl

Crusader
OT is what you make of it. You can even be OT without doing some OT levels. Only these things can manifest itself of which the person he himself is or can be aware. For the same reason you can only audit out (remove the barrier) these things that you can actually see. Part of this is the level of responsibility one has taken. An OT cannibal also still would make just a cannibal.

Do OT powers exist. I believe they do. I have seen people being able to do strange things. One should be aware of one thing though and that is fear. If you let fear take control then forget becoming OT.

RR

Thanks for that RR. I agree with what you say with the slight exception of the OT cannibal thing. Surely, to go stably OT one would have to raise confront and responsibility to such a level that one's experience and education from the track would be then available? Granted, there may be the odd OT major key-out or an OT may flip into a bad valence.

Cheers

tanstaafl
 

Alan

Gold Meritorious Patron
Could anybody tell me what a R6 bank picture looks like?

It doesnt have to be precisely, but in terms of sort of picture, I dont have a clue.

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All the old Scio book covers printed from 1969 had R6 pictures on them.

Alan
 
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programmer_guy

True Ex-Scientologist
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Alan

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Thanks PG!

Nice to see pics of Mom and Dad on the cover of a book! :omg:
 
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programmer_guy

True Ex-Scientologist
You're funny. :)

I can post tiny ones for 8-80 and Creation of Human Ability (if gifs are accepted as well as jpgs for links).

They're not too good because they are so small.
 

programmer_guy

True Ex-Scientologist
Well, let's see...:chinscratch:

1. The man is wearing a WWI helmet (Yank or Brit?). Below the neck, his garb (and weapon) looks like a mixture of stuff from the middle-ages.

2. The angel is depicted as female, as usual. (I don't object... it's just interesting.) She is a "full-figured" woman. The shape in the front of her dress, just below the waist band, is curious - it looks like female genitalia.

3. The angel appears to be giving directions to the man.

4. The wings on both are symbolic of the spiritual nature of them.

Comments?
 
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Royal Prince Xenu

Trust the Psi Corps.
Well, let's see...:chinscratch:

1. The man is wearing a WWI helmet (Yank or Brit?). Below the neck, his garb (and weapon) looks like a mixture of stuff from the middle-ages.

2. The angel is depicted as female, as usual. (I don't object... it's just interesting.) She is a "full-figured" woman. The shape in the front of her dress, just below the waist band, is curious - it looks like female genitalia.

3. The angel appears to be giving directions to the man.

4. The wings on both are symbolic of the spiritual nature of them.

Comments?

To me, the man's "skirt" looks Roman, and the Empire line on the woman's dress looks all wrong.

What's wrong with this picture? Can anyone name a vertebrate creature that has six limbs?
 

Tanstaafl

Crusader
Could anybody tell me what a R6 bank picture looks like?

It doesnt have to be precisely, but in terms of sort of picture, I dont have a clue.

B.

How thoroughly depressing! :mad:
I can't believe I had a copy of 0-8 all those years and never once thought - "Why the hell is there a train on the cover?". Lord 'elpus.
 

Lulu Belle

Moonbat
I remember there was some big issue when the "Whole Track" tapes were released in the 80s. The cover of them was an angel blowing a bugle.

Apparently this had something to do with an "OT III incident".

Anyone have any idea what that was about?
 

Royal Prince Xenu

Trust the Psi Corps.
I remember there was some big issue when the "Whole Track" tapes were released in the 80s. The cover of them was an angel blowing a bugle.

Apparently this had something to do with an "OT III incident".

Anyone have any idea what that was about?

I don't remember the cover, but only one of the six tapes really covered anything interesting on the "whole track". The other five were 60-90 mins of MU phenomena.
 

Björkist

Silver Meritorious Patron
Hi everyone. I started a similiar thread on Xenu.net some months back, and I am interested in your thoughts :)
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject: The Reactive Mind Does Not Exist!
Subject description: New perculated perception after 10 years of review and research

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I have been gathering evidence of this fact for quite some time now. In fact, after believing it for 30 years then discovering there were some problems with Hubbard's definitions -- amongst other crimes -- it has been only this recent year where I have began to start adding things up. First I will sum things up.

Since when is mis-defining something a crime? Let me guess, only when LRH is accused of doing it?

(1) In the entire recorded history of Man's philosophies, cultures and religions, spanning perhaps at least 15,000 years, there has never been any mention or discovery of a "Reactive Mind."

So we base actuality and what is possible/impossible off of recorded history? What about computers and the rest of modern technology? Since it wasn't written about in the last 15,000 years, it can't possibly exist!

And did you read every single publication that has been written by every single human being in the last 15,000 years? How many languages are you fluent in?

(2) In the same period of time many if not most all religions and cultures allude to a Single Mind, which can be looked at in 3 types of emanations or phases of consciousness - namely, a super-conciousness, self-consciousness, and sub-consciousness. I am generalizing here and am not particularly getting into "aspects of Godhead" at this point.

Cool.

However, everything started to point to the center for me as I inspected the reality that Hubbard INVENTED the entire thing. Before you immediately resist the idea and come back with reasons, think about the possibility -- for just a moment. What about all the changes which we all experienced, the Charge reduced, the BTs blown, etc.

Why should we think about the possibility of it when you present it as factual? We should just accept it...sort of like LRH demanded we accept everything he said without question.

What if .... what if.... the Reactive Mind, Hubbard's R6 Bank, is in fact just a tiny aspect of the Subconcious Mind itself? People feel "better" or get new "power" because most of the Tech is derived from ancient workable religious or magical practices -- all of which delt with the subconscious mind's training and control. Used as a form of cohersiveness and MEST enforcement, what all the auditing does is solidify that part of the subconscious mind that Hubbard has labeled "reactive mind.". Additionally, if my reasoning and deductions are correct, this will point to the greater solidification which makes that aspect of the subsconscious which acts like a Reactive Mind in fact to become more solid itself -- the exact opposite of what scientologiest believe they are doing. Yet in fact well considered with intent by the inventor of the R6 - L Ron Hubbard himself. It is auditing itself which creates the greater portion of and power of the "R6" itself by freezing the subconscious mind into a kind of stagnative density. It is an amazing self-perpetuating invention!

Anything is possible.

The Reactive Mind doesn't exist. It never did at all!

Let me guess, because in the last 15,000 years no one ever wrote about it (that you know of)?

And just for starters -- this could explain why OTs, over the years, constantly complain about still not getting or being able to get what they want in life; why there is always, every few years, a new set of BTs or Upper Level problems, or perpetual discoveries of "out tech" to explain away ineffective case gain. I have watched OTs with the same personal problems as all over people 1967 -- over and over and over and over and over -- until 1997 -- and concluded they not any different than most of the people on the planet -- in fact usually appear to have more problems them everyone else -- which is par for the course when you have a cult group who considers everyone not in agreement with their desire to control the world their enemy - LOL!!

There are 2 or more sides to every story. Your post is filled with speculation, assumptions and straw-men.

More to follow. Your thoughts?
You may view the rest of the thread at:
http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?highlight=cherub+reactive+mind&t=23383


OCMB is garbage.

~The Cherub~
 
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Roadrunner

Patron with Honors
Thanks for that RR. I agree with what you say with the slight exception of the OT cannibal thing. Surely, to go stably OT one would have to raise confront and responsibility to such a level that one's experience and education from the track would be then available? Granted, there may be the odd OT major key-out or an OT may flip into a bad valence.

Cheers

tanstaafl

Thank you! It may largely be a matter of ethics and responsibility. You may also be OT on some areas and still be an idiot in other areas. It doesn't make you OT on everything. I've met too many OT's that could behave quite foolishly.

RR
 

Tanstaafl

Crusader
Thank you! It may largely be a matter of ethics and responsibility. You may also be OT on some areas and still be an idiot in other areas. It doesn't make you OT on everything. I've met too many OT's that could behave quite foolishly.

RR

I can go with that. Notwithstanding what LRH wrote on the complexity of beings, I believe that they are way more complex than even that. There are many apparent paradoxes which cannot yet be resolved as we do not have the ability to simply look into another's universe and see all elements and connections. Words will never be sufficient to describe related phenomena.
I am an individual and yet I am connected with all beings and things. :confused: :D

Cheers

tanstaafl
 
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