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The Ron's Ramblings Thread

Discussion in 'Important documents' started by Martin-O, Jul 29, 2016.

  1. Lulu Belle

    Lulu Belle Moonbat

    This is one of the best posts I have ever read on this board.

  2. Lulu Belle

    Lulu Belle Moonbat

    I had a friend in Marketing who had tons of these advices.


    She proudly told me she hid them from the GO.
  3. Lulu Belle

    Lulu Belle Moonbat


    Just gotta tell ya.

    Your contributions here are GREAT.

    So glad you're here.

  4. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    It arguably might be genius and successful but I’m not so sure I would characterize it as “Marketing”.
    Because the scam takes so many forms and affects so many industries, it’s impossible to nail down exactly how much money is lost to the fraud, according to Patricia Armstrong of the Postal Service Inspection.
    But Audri Lanford, co-director of, a service that helps fight Internet fraud, estimates that $200 million a year is lost to the Nigerian e-mail scam or variations of it.
  5. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on


    Well, there is probably a Scientology "SCALE" that Hubbard discovered which would span the entire spectrum of criminal activity from the perspective of effective or innefective "marketing".

    The more effective marketing techniques help keep the perpetrators out of jail and even result in having public streets named after you in Los Angeles! Yayyy!


    The less effective marketing schemes/scams make it progressively more obvious what is being perpetrated--and by whom. That's the lower part of the scale where thugs in the hood go into convenience stores and rob it, without a mask under full video surveillance.

    Hubbard had a vast number of masks, ruses, fronts, confederates, proxies and cloakings; especially of the religious kind. Hubbard also took great care to line up a succession of fall guys--and gals. Ask Mary Sue Hubbard about that.

    But, perhaps the most ingenious kind of marketing is that which in which the mark is eventually convinced to run the scam on themselves. To wit, Scientologists working their entire lives in order to give all their time/money to the COS (Crimewave of Scientology). It's impressive that Scientologists whip each other and themselves to "produce more", "contribute more!" and "donate more!"--even when not under direct supervision/surveillance of org staff members.

    SCIENTOLOGY: You pay over a half-million dollars in order to learn how to solo-audit and solo-scam yourself.
  6. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    I know absolutely what you mean and we have probably both done the Marketing Series, plus his concept of marketing and promotion runs through everything. But a distinction needs to be made somewhere on this theoretical marketing scale of failed con to world wide love and acceptance. My experience with Scientology’s attempt at marketing is that it is more often than not obfuscation. Show me any form of communication or dissemination that is generated by the Church with full disclosure and honesty. For those of us who have performed surveys on behalf of the Church, has the primary motivation been honesty or manipulation?

    This is the problem. Marketing and promotion aren’t just about promo mailings, PR, and “acceptable truth” - it is about having a good product, reliable service, priced appropriately for the market, clearly saying what your goals and purposes are and consistently operating off of policy and orders that fulfill that mission statement. (Don’t you just love dissecting Scientology’s failings using Scientology?) If you don’t do these things, or outright use them to betray people’s trust, then even though you might get away with it gloriously for a long while, eventually the bad repercussions reach critical mass like they are now.

    LRH told us all this in his own words the whole time he did exactly the opposite. Now that I look at it after many decades, I can’t honestly say he was a genius at marketing and I can’t say Scientology is successful, period. The IAS Funds and building acquisitions were achieved to a great extent through lobbying donations. LRH did start this through the Safe Environment Fund to build up a fund for the legal fallout following the Snow White and FBI Raid debacle so it can't all be placed on his successor, but that isn’t what this was supposed to be about. How many of us got into Scientology because we had a deep spiritual belief in donating to a legal defense fund?

    Who is taking bets on how long it will take before L. Ron Hubbard Way is renamed to North Berendo St. by popular local demand?
  7. HelluvaHoax!

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    Yes Yes Yes!

    Some years after leaving Scientology it suddenly occurred to me that the entirety of Hubbard's "Marketing Technology" (surveys and all) can be summed up in just one (1) SURVEY QUESTION:

    "What would I have to say or promise to you, in order
    for you to want to donate a lot of money to Scientology?"
  8. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    That's great!
  9. Martin-O

    Martin-O Patron

    Blaming psychiatry to shake off Scientology's responsiblity for failed cases: