Is this what you are talking about?
Would you clarify what you mean? Can you do this?
I ordered Bill Nichol's Unstacking book on GPMs from a source in California back in 1991. It made complete sense but I was not set up as needed to run it clean. Has anyone seen this book? I didn't succeed in finishing that either.
Regarding others creating others in the game:
David Pennell in Ft Lauderdale used to use a circular flow process to resolve stuck beingness and flows. He was very enlightened ... doing things this way. Some processing questions: "Who created you that way?" "From where did they create you (it) that way?" "With how much force or power did they use to create...thay way?" "When were you created that way." "From what direction did they..." Of course at first these are all the clients perceptions. Receiving processing on this back in 1989 I realized how reciprocal games are. Instead of erroneously setting myself up as the SOURCE always (which is sometimes not true) I got to see how things are actually created and contributed to.. THEN the releases come easier. This was a big deal for me as I believed I created everything....had been the sole cause. Only spotting the contributions of others on some of the persistent charges did the ball unravel.
At first with this process, I thought I was carrying a lot of 'unqualified theta' that had been cleared of its fixed beingness on the Grades but hadn't blown. I felt I was being used a a graffiti board for others who were coming up in horsepower and needed to impress their intentions and images onto me. I regarded this as my personal malady and wanted to use NOTS quick to purge myself. But in running how others created me this way or that way I got the true AS-ISNESS by connection to the actual being and his viewpoint at the time he projected that identity onto (for) me. (objective.) This worked easier than my trying to erase my impression of what I was subtly agreeing with as I protested what I felt was "etched" on my theta. (subjective) It is more empowering. I who navigate this life in a state of relatlively mediocre ARC found at this time a real return of it! . This return of ARC was unexpected. I got no returns of ARC on OT III as claimed to by others, but this was different!
I couldn't agree more. It's a role playing game that went too far. It's all fantasy.Hubbard's Tech has never been about actually "Doing" anything, it has always been about making yourself "Believe" you are doing something and convincing others you are doing something, it's a con game, but this con game does have some temporary benefits. The belief stimulates neurotransmitters in your brain which make you feel temporarily euphoric and thus allow you to be more productive or think clearer.
It's all about using delusion to be more productive, it's no different that the freaks who talk in tongues, handle snakes or get slapped on the forehead by a faith healer ... with some pseudo psychobabble thrown in to try and legitimize it.
Most people can be happy and productive without diluting themselves and living in a trance, others need a crutch like drugs, gambling, highly emotion charged relationships, or a good old fashion Scientology circle jerk to stimulate neurotransmitters enough to get them moving.
The bottom line is Hubbard's OT non-sense is nothing but trying to convince yourself and others that Hubbard's Tech has given you powers than other do not have. If you succeeded in convincing yourself in the fairy tail of OT powers, then you have gotten all there is to get out of it.
I couldn't agree less: I was only playing a role as a staff member. When auditing or being audited, there was no role-playing for me. I was either trying to help someone else, or get help myself. I got a lot out of BOTH of those, and so did the people I worked with.
Whatever else happened, that did.
I suspended disbelief about states. I didn't pretend they existed, I studied the possibility. I didn't pretend about the quality of my life, I was struggling, and everyone knew it. Perhaps this is why I am no longer a scientologist, and why they declared me: no pretense.
I did not understand everything you said but I found it very interesting. I always give more attention to those who speak from what they actually experienced in their processing -- who are actually using a tech. I'm curious, did you happen to reach the State of Clear running any certain processes?
Archetypes, this is an earlier post of mine that answers your question.I did not understand everything you said but I found it very interesting. I always give more attention to those who speak from what they actually experienced in their processing -- who are actually using a tech. I'm curious, did you happen to reach the State of Clear running any certain processes?
This is fascinating to me Roger, and quite helpful. Having arrived a bit later on the scene, I have some differing viewpoints on some of this, but am greatly appreciative of your time and effort to write this up and share it with us.
"The abberration above time is that 'there must be a game'".
I think this was in the PDC's.
LRH also talked about responsibility and basic purpose in Advanced Procedures and Axioms.
Thetans playing the game of "life" can be pan-determined, self-determined, other-determined or delusional, which aligns fully with your published scale.
One of the control mechanisms in this corner of this galaxy has been to overwhelm beings with false purposes and false terminals as a method of getting them to leave areas and stay away. Hubbard postulated that it would take 'a billion years' to clean up this sector, such was his estimation of the effort needed to restore beings to the point of self-determinism, much less pan-determinism. I think part of what he missed is that as beings, we have become so inured to having the "game" mocked up this way that we compulsively keep it in place. But along the lines of "full responsibility" we had to agree to it in the first place.
The tone scale, to me, is just a reflection of the degradation and emotions contained in the Implant GPM's. The "cross-over" point was installed, in part to convince beings that they COULD NOT do anything forever. (Which they can, as LRH pointed out in the over-run material.)
Further, the point of "reverse rocket reads' is interesting to me as well.
The only action I know of that takes reads like that in Scn is C\S Series 37R, which is a part of L-11. L-11 is usually the shortest L, but also the most 'spectacular' in terms of effect on a person. It was only after I received that L that this whole area of 'implant GPMs' and 'actual GPMs' came apart. It is not unusual for me to find other types of implant GPM's than the ones LRH described in his materials in beings I run across in solo. But just like you described, all the implant GPM degradation and games are just substitutes for earlier, bigger games and 'matrices'.
On NOT's, you may recall that there is a "Flow Assessment Rundown". And in the issue that describes that Rundown, it is pointed out that stuck flows are the genus of Bt's and out-int. These vectors, where we went into alignment with other beings (or opposed other beings, depending upon the tine level of the game), are the remnant ridges of old games, when we were bigger and more powerful (and in some cases way less intelligent!)
To me, these flows are the "make-break" point between life as an ascendant game, and life as a dwindling spiral.
And of course, each beings spiral is different, so above the level of MEST (and all the degradation involved) each beings unfolding will be different.
Which is why I say that the CoS can not deliver or support solo auditors at that level. They can't handle that much truth!
Thanks again Rog!
Well I have finally had the time to go through tis thread and watch your presentation on the You-tubes. Thank you for it. It is certainly most interesting. Please allo me to make a few comments.
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Nice lucid response Divvy.
Thanks. It should help others who are interested.
I don't remember the "Flow Assessment R/D" on NOTs you refer to. I did NOTs quite early on, so it's possible that got added after my escapade with it
It's NOT's series 28, dated 4 Oct 78.
You might be able to find it on WikiLeaks... https://secure.wikileaks.org/wiki/Scientology_cult_New_Era_Dianetics_for_Operating_Thetans