The Time I Nearly Made It at Flag As An Out of Org Trainee

onthepes

Patron with Honors
Wow! FSO has become a true nightmare!:omg:

Just caught up with your story and it's miles away from the crap I experienced when I was there back in the late 80s but it was headed down that dark and evil path when I went there for the GAT release.:angry:

Thank you so much for putting this story down for us - I know how hard it is to write these sort of experiences.

The cult has truly totally gone insane if they treat people like you in that manner. That is abuse pure and simple - bullying of an outrageous degree. And, of course, you have to pay for it. Not them - they're too busy saving the planet to worry about DBs like you who've meditated once and turn up for training.:duh:

As an ex-Syd F'er myself, I know what you mean about the good folk still plugging away there thinking they're saving even us SPs from total spiritual oblivion.

Think I'll take the kids for a bike-ride down along the creek - this story brings back way too many unpleasant memories and it's a beautiful spring day outside.:yes:

Thank you for your kinds words Paul. It is a beautiful spring day outside. the best in a while. Enjoy that bike ride. bless ya
 

onthepes

Patron with Honors
This is not such a far fetched idea...Thanks for your story and for not letting anything really bad happen to you at Flag!it's good to have a recent perspective. I really don't get why they treated you like that! As people do not feel free to speak to each other about the stresses they are going through at Flag when they are there, it is hard for one to compare notes. I always though it was me they considered the worst being in this hemisphere. But now that I know it is you, I feel much relief! :eyeroll: They are completely nuts.



I used to excuse it, same way. And for soooo long. It was interesting how that just stopped working at a point.

Thank you Arthur. I wished I had made that story up but it is spot on. I did get some private messages from people expressing that they felt they were the DBs or downstats at Flag. There was really nothing wrong with us. I care nothing for Flag and their abuses.
 

XFSO

Patron
If I understand the timeline correctly, you might have ended up in my course room if you made it through, you would have not liked it there I guarantee it
 

GoNuclear

Gold Meritorious Patron
There's a scam that Flag would do regarding org students. The students arrive, start on course, and then they are told that the org didn't make their room & board payments, so the students have to work for their lodging. And so the students work and work, giving Flag free slave labor.

At least when they Shanghaied people in San Francisco back in the 19th century, konking them on the head and then putting them to work on merchant ships, they were more honest about what they were doing.

Pete
 

GoNuclear

Gold Meritorious Patron
Wow! FSO has become a true nightmare!:omg:

Just caught up with your story and it's miles away from the crap I experienced when I was there back in the late 80s but it was headed down that dark and evil path when I went there for the GAT release.:angry:

Thank you so much for putting this story down for us - I know how hard it is to write these sort of experiences.

The cult has truly totally gone insane if they treat people like you in that manner. That is abuse pure and simple - bullying of an outrageous degree. And, of course, you have to pay for it. Not them - they're too busy saving the planet to worry about DBs like you who've meditated once and turn up for training.:duh:

As an ex-Syd F'er myself, I know what you mean about the good folk still plugging away there thinking they're saving even us SPs from total spiritual oblivion.

Think I'll take the kids for a bike-ride down along the creek - this story brings back way too many unpleasant memories and it's a beautiful spring day outside.:yes:

The cult seems to have taken on the personality of it's current leader.

Pete
 

ryanmac

New Civilisation Builder
WOW MATE, after reading that I am glad I made the decision to leave the AO ANZO on route to flag. I can see similarities with our cycle, the going to Sydney first. The sticking point for me was a past record (now spent). Honestly I never had any ehics cycles ir anything of the sort. Unfortunately met with such aggression as you had I doubt id have been able to restrain myself! I am actually meant to be at flag now, or having read that story more likely a US jail!
Thanks for the story!!
 

onthepes

Patron with Honors
If I understand the timeline correctly, you might have ended up in my course room if you made it through, you would have not liked it there I guarantee it


Many cool things have been said to me about this Post . That would be up there with them. I never thought about that. What if......? That does sound like a story. What a pack of twats hey. I would have been there for a long time. The lies at that place. There is no simple cycle and the simple cycles now have to be retread.

When our Senior C/S came back from Flag as a Sup I had to instruct all Twins on Objectives to place a tick for each time they said a command. There were new ways to keep a running record. None of it was in the Bulletins. It was some weird interpretation. I felt so awkward telling them. I had one twin ripping into me about "show me where it is written". I could only stand there and shrug. I felt like a 2-bit whore.
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
If I understand the timeline correctly, you might have ended up in my course room if you made it through, you would have not liked it there I guarantee it

I would be very interested in whatever you have to say about sup'ing at FSO.

I sup'd at NWC/ITO between 1986 and 1995, about which I have posted a lot.

Paul
 

XFSO

Patron
I supped all of the course rooms at Flag at one point or another, ones more than others, I recieved mountains of training in the subject to RTC passes on everything, I was two courses away from receiving my Proffesor Of Scientology cert when I left, I was 18, I was a ruthless sup! Specially at the internship, one time I was ripping an OOT a new one one for constantly miscalling FNs, i was in the midsle of telling him to get out of my course room and not come back until he attested o PTS/SP when all of te sudden I realized I had DM and his posse right behind me listening, they didn't say a word about and actually seemed to approve, so I continued down that path and only got more angry and crazy until I left, I still have supping nightmares to this day
 

onthepes

Patron with Honors
I supped all of the course rooms at Flag at one point or another, ones more than others, I recieved mountains of training in the subject to RTC passes on everything, I was two courses away from receiving my Proffesor Of Scientology cert when I left, I was 18, I was a ruthless sup! Specially at the internship, one time I was ripping an OOT a new one one for constantly miscalling FNs, i was in the midsle of telling him to get out of my course room and not come back until he attested o PTS/SP when all of te sudden I realized I had DM and his posse right behind me listening, they didn't say a word about and actually seemed to approve, so I continued down that path and only got more angry and crazy until I left, I still have supping nightmares to this day


I appreciate your honesty. I was never ruthless on people nor particular harsh, but I do get a number of pictures of me at the Org, almost an exterior viewpoint and wonder what the hell i was doing. But there was also a lot of stuff I did not agree with and did not push, so I take a win on that.
 

XFSO

Patron
I appreciate your honesty. I was never ruthless on people nor particular harsh, but I do get a number of pictures of me at the Org, almost an exterior viewpoint and wonder what the hell i was doing. But there was also a lot of stuff I did not agree with and did not push, so I take a win on that.

I know what you mean, I know it wasn't like that everywhere, Flag has this whole "tough love" approach to training, I embraced it at the time I guess, it's all or nothing, I guess we were easier on public, but OOTs were considered staff and were treated as such, the same way we were treated I guess
 

onthepes

Patron with Honors
I know what you mean, I know it wasn't like that everywhere, Flag has this whole "tough love" approach to training, I embraced it at the time I guess, it's all or nothing, I guess we were easier on public, but OOTs were considered staff and were treated as such, the same way we were treated I guess


Yes I am sure it was that way. You were doing what was asked of you. You were probably great at it too. Letting it all hang out here is very therapeutic I must say. Glad to have you here
 

Lurker5

Gold Meritorious Patron
So I was determined that enough was enough. I advised the MAA that I was not sure if I wanted to be there. He said "I don't think we want you here either". Then their boss (I assume) sat down to talk with me. I don't know his post. He read "Safeguarding the Tech" to me. I gathered it was due to my meditating once in my 3 years in Scientology.

I was routed off. I was escorted back to my hotel. The wanker who had kept asking me "What are you doing?" pulled my bag apart. There was a glossy magazine with a nice looking girl on the front. He glared at me "What is this?" I said "Just a magazine". He looked all through it. He then left my clothes and everything on the ground. I had to put it all back.

I was driven to a hotel near the airport which I paid for. There was a guy who was to stay with me. He looked awkward and apologetic. I asked him "What are you doing staying with me?' He said "I have to make sure you make it to the Airport". OMFG.

So I left Flag and never returned. Quite a deal happened after that but this was one of the big ones that stuck.

I have never told anybody including family or friends this story. I have held it for 5 years. Thank you for listening.

Wow, that is horrid. :nervous: :unsure:
:hug: :console:

Thank God you are out - and FREE. :fly::thewave:
 

XFSO

Patron
Yes I am sure it was that way. You were doing what was asked of you. You were probably great at it too. Letting it all hang out here is very therapeutic I must say. Glad to have you here

Yeah, at the time I was truly convinced I was making huge planetary impact, training auditors and c/s from around the globe to a maximum standard, my eyes are open now.

I've been decompressing for a couple of days since I started postin here, I feel like I might write my full story for the world to see, all out
 
Yeah, at the time I was truly convinced I was making huge planetary impact, training auditors and c/s from around the globe to a maximum standard, my eyes are open now.

I've been decompressing for a couple of days since I started postin here, I feel like I might write my full story for the world to see, all out

speaking for many i say:

DO IT!!!
 

XFSO

Patron
Thank you all for the encouragement, I just have to find some time alone when I can sit down and do this
 
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