My general rule of thumb is, If you can't find any one of their claims verified in real scientific or academic circles, then it isn't true no matter how blue in the face they are about demanding that people believe their lying "research".
first of all this ain't a group, well maybe it is and maybe it isn't. I've never met anybody here IRL, we are all, once were scientologists, and came to realize it's bullocks.
So you admit that auditing works? We'd better start black-balling you, along with Terril and Birdie.
I've noticed that you do have an uncanny knack of calling out those elephants in the room that others are reluctant to mention Wilbur.
Hahaha yeah. I seem to be more interested in truth than in people's feelings, so I suppose I do have a tendency to put my foot in it sometimes.
Putting your foot in it isn't how I'd describe it, although an appropriate metaphor for saying what others are unwilling to say themselves escapes me at present.
When I was auditing I thought the 'gains' my pc's were making were real too, but when you come to factor in the circumstances things are a little less clear-cut. Your pc wants to be seen to be making progress, otherwise he/she might be looked upon as a no-case-gainer (in other words an sp or a pts) and they don't want that, so they go to the examiner with an f/n and vgi's, and you're thinking to yourself 'this shit really works'. It's a self perpetuating circle-jerk - just the way Hubbard designed it.
John McMaster said Hubbard would get a PC into a bog, then get him out (or leave it to someone else to get him out), and the PC would be so grateful he wouldn't remember who got them into a bog in the first place. Brings to mind the book Of Mice and Men, where the same thing happened to the retarded guy, Lenny.
I had a blast doing Captain Bill's levels. It was amazing, fun, eye-opening, profound.
but you didn't achieve the sublime of "clear" and/or "OT"?
I think they have the same risks of disease as any other person.
I don't believe that Dianetics can cure any illness, but I think it can make you happier about having it.
Just so you know, Captain Bill was stark raving mad. A lunatic.
That doesn't resemble the Captain Bill that I knew.Just so you know, Captain Bill was stark raving mad. A lunatic.
While he was in the Sea Org, he was abusive, terrorizing staff. Then he got extra weird when he married some young woman who was more than a bit dizzy, herself. As the stories go, any little thing she wanted, he would do for her, and that included RPFing anyone that offended her for any reason. Captain Bill was a terror and she loved giving him excuses to abuse others. Other exSO veteran survivors here have specifics. When Captain Bill was declared SP, there was cheering in the SO - people were relieved to see him go. He was a jerk.
In all honesty, I can't see how anyone could be better for doing anything related to Scientology, whether it's Captain Bill's uber sci-fi version or any other, it's all an exercise in the imagination claiming what you imagine is real and a vicious mindf&*k sugarcoated to be good for you. If it were touted as imagination exercises, maybe some of it could be useful to creative writers or similar, but since it makes false claims instead, it undermines a person's sense of reality and that is a very bad thing.
Some of the people who were followers of Capt Bill that I met afterward spent many years adjusting to real life afterward. Some never did.
At least you didn't have the cult atmosphere around it. Most people apparently did the spaceman's trip in imagination online.
