The Truth about Debbie Cook as Captain of Flag

Knows

Gold Meritorious Patron
This was posted on The Bake from Mirna regarding Debbie Cook's behavior as the Captain of Flag. She should have started a fund to help Sea Org people get out and get their lives going again. In fact, any high ranking official in the cult that left and accepted blood money needs to do that. They need to help those people they left in the cult. It is the right thing to do. Had Debbie done that - she would have made up more damage. The e-mail was great - but taking blood money is not okay. I can only assume she did by her silence. If Debbie Cook is reading this - you need to make up the damage YOU caused by helping the Sea Org people have a place to go and get money and help.

http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=303485

I was in the SO at FSO in the early to mid 1990s. There is no doubt that there is a component of truth that we all acted in certain ways because it was SOP or there was duress/ orders from above or some idea of "for the greater good," but many of us acted on our own accord and some very selfishly and Debbie Cook has far more than her share of crimes, yes crimes in the real sense, not the fucked up "scientology" sense. I even knew Wayne before he courageously presented her with flowers and they started a relationship.

Debbie Cook is not a victim. Her are some truths about her actions as CO FSO:

In 1992 Debbie Cook was made aware that several Sea Org Members children in the cadet org had been sexually molested and effectively raped. Debbie's reaction was the same as ours - throw the children into ethics and find out why they "pulled it in" and to get their perversions on the Second Dynamic corrected; and to enforce that no police were contacted and force the Sea Org parents involved to be disallowed to talk with the adults who did it (yes, women and men did the molesting). Any Sea Org parent who made a fuss was also thrown into ethics - and Debbie herself ordered this. She even had the sex offenders given new posts and they simply did "ethics conditions".

In addition to this, Debbie Cook actively promoted and sent FSO Recruiter Nissem Moscona (spelling phonetically, probably spelling it very wrong) to third world countries in South America to "Recruit" sea org members that were raw public. Debbie herself OKed and even helped to formulate those "missions" to Mexico and other countries. When these recruits arrived many of them appealed to her directly to be let go of. Her response was to have them thrown on the decks, refused their return airfares and under Flag Orders allowing them to have their pay suspended, removed any means they had of even making phone calls back home. So many of them knew virtually no english that they created their own "group" at the Flag Land Base and rather than given assistance in education or learning English were instead rushed through training in translated texts. She also knew and supported the withholding of their passports. She knowingly approved those missions and new the garbage they were bringing back. She had no concerns about the innumerable phone calls being made to the FSO by concerned parents, sisters and brothers and ordered HCO to prevent any messages or letters going to those staff.

In addition to this she was most happy to take advantage of a loop hole in the Book Sales Commissions scheme herself and worked with the Book Store Officer and turned a blind eye to him often each week reaping over $10,000 in commissions. She was happy to do this because she often interjected in the reg cycles and therefore she claimed "50/50" on these commissions. While hard working Sea Org Members had insufficient funds to buy coffee, Debbie had her lovely car and the BSO drove a Pontiac. In a single year she earned as CO FSO an outstanding sum and when some of those over-regged people attempted to claw back money or get financial aid, she instead ordered them to ethics. Not COB, she did.

In addition to this, Debbie when confronted with the massive budget crisis rather than cut the luxury expenses of Flag for it's executives, instead ordered all staff to have 2 minutes showers to reduce costs and then had the FSO Accountant find ways of cutting costs - his solution which she approved was to cut red meat from the diet of all staff. She of course, ate rather well. She herself had her quarters upgraded to what could only be called "a palace" even before she was married violating the rules on Sea Org Members having shared quarters until marriage. While other staff were made to do Clean Ship Project on Saturdays, Debbie instead had her communicator clean her place and she would go off and spend time driving.

Upgrades at the Hacienda gardens which were to be air conditioners during the punishing summers was instead handled with staff crammed into tighter quarters. FSO earning 60-70 million per week was "insufficient" to warrant the expense of $50,000 in air conditioners.

Debbie Cook herself knew and approved several persons onto OT VII who had known sex offenses against children and their own siblings and allowed them to proceed "if they donationed generous sums which oddly often included massive book purchases for "libraries" thus reaping commissions. Rather than reporting to the police or interpol what these scum bags actually did, they agreed to let them do ethics conditions instead. She knowingly approved and assisted in the hiding of several Sea Org staff who were sent from overseas locations who were the subject of attempts by their families to recover them. Her orders were to not allow any communications letters, phone calls or otherwise to get to them. Yes, I have names of those Sea Org Members. They were put on staff training programs.

Debbie herself played along with CMO to send over 100 staff on missions to Flag Land Base who were then told "Surprise, you are not going anywhere" when the Sea Org members complained that they were now thousands of miles from their children or spouses, Debbie had them thrown onto the decks as out-ethics and cut communication via telephones for those Sea Org Members. Many of them were given committee's of evidence or thrown into the RPF for defiance.

It was Debbie Cook more than CMO CW that ordered Beans and Rice which extended to budget cuts for Sea Org Children who received very poor quality food and Debbie made the point to argue "You're the parents, you pay for it," to those who complained. Easy for her to say.

Debbie Cook witnessed and allowed Sea Org children to be with COB during his visits for periods extending from 7AM to 2AM in the morning. She gladly "gave" sea org children over to COB in this respect. She approved the FLB budgets for rooms for COB and his staff in 4 apartments that cost more than the entire budget for 3 years for all staff food. the rooms consisted of imported rugs, marble form Italy and Spain and exercise equipment that was state-of-the-art at the time.

During COBs visits and also those of Missions from CMO Int often orders were issued for beans and rice as punishments, yet she ordered and allowed in the budget catered food from Flag Crew Restaurants for herself and the mission staff. Under Flag Order rule, for every mission sent into an organization, a staff member had to be given up as exchange for the mission. She did not want to give up her staff so allowed them to select a member of CMO Clearwater and in their place a child was talen from the cadet org (usually 12-14 years old) and put through training.

She herself often had meals ordered (with her lavish accounts) food from the restaurants at Flag while the others ate Beans and Rice. Debbie Cook with the Flag Land Base Finance Director approved all budgets and it was Debbie - not her executive team that had cut bedding, water supplies for showers, food, all medal expenses removed for staff and even orders for reduced electricity use on the rooms ordering "lights out". Staff with immigration issues were first asked to contact their families back home to obtain funds with the "promise" of a returning vacation. In 2 years Debbie from a staff of 1,500 approved less than 10 CSWs for people to take annual leave and the rest were denied - she did this.

She also knowingly had hundreds of OTs invited to Flag and knowing they were using all available credit and were in immense debt directly ordered them to ethics HERSELF if they did not give more. This happened when Sue, WDC FSO at the time came to Flag and ordered the Gross Income up. OTs were told to come to flag and were squeezed so hard Debbie had a specialist ethics team on hand to immediately put them on routing forms to ethics if they did not comply. In the same area where they were told to give they had HCO staff on hand with routing forms ready to route them.

So let's set the record very straight on Debbie Cook. Those who worked above her knew it which is why she was kept at the helm of Flag for so long. There were few Sea Org members capable of doing this with a straight face. I find it ironic that she would hold tears recalling the hole when she herself at Flag ordered SO MANY Sea Org members away from their kids onto decks with orders for no communication.

When the amnesties were announced her concern was the fact that there would be no more slave labor to build FSO and with CMO pushed to have exemptions issued so that RPFers could not leave the RPF. Such a compassionate lady.

She was brutal. Even most Messengers watched themselves even around her as she was not replaceable so she couldn't be screamed at particularly (although it still happened).

Any one defending her doesn't know Debbie Cook at all and is hearing Public Relations chatter. What Marty says COB does to staff is a crime and Debbie was almost as bad - they were pretty close in that respect - just ask her executive team, I am sure they can impart some horror stories that will make your hair stand on edge.

If you can excuse her behavior, I suggest to re-read it again and as with the information I provide it might take a year or two to verify it, but it will pan-out if you can find others with first hand experience working with or under her at FLAG and everything I have accounted for is first hand knowledge.
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
During COBs visits and also those of Missions from CMO Int often orders were issued for beans and rice as punishments, yet she ordered and allowed in the budget catered food from Flag Crew Restaurants for herself and the mission staff.

I remember when Kerry Gleason was CO Flag Bureaux in the early 80's. At morning staff muster, he announced that FB was being put on rice and beans. I was unhappy because my personal stats were up at the time. A few minutes after muster ended, I was passing his office and heard him tell his communicator "Go over to the FH and get me an egg sandwich".

I lost respect for him at that point.
 

Lamb

Patron with Honors
This was posted on The Bake from Mirna regarding Debbie Cook's behavior as the Captain of Flag. She should have started a fund to help Sea Org people get out and get their lives going again. In fact, any high ranking official in the cult that left and accepted blood money needs to do that. They need to help those people they left in the cult. It is the right thing to do. Had Debbie done that - she would have made up more damage. The e-mail was great - but taking blood money is not okay. I can only assume she did by her silence. If Debbie Cook is reading this - you need to make up the damage YOU caused by helping the Sea Org people have a place to go and get money and help.

http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=303485

I was in the SO at FSO in the early to mid 1990s. There is no doubt that there is a component of truth that we all acted in certain ways because it was SOP or there was duress/ orders from above or some idea of "for the greater good," but many of us acted on our own accord and some very selfishly and Debbie Cook has far more than her share of crimes, yes crimes in the real sense, not the fucked up "scientology" sense. I even knew Wayne before he courageously presented her with flowers and they started a relationship.

Debbie Cook is not a victim. Her are some truths about her actions as CO FSO:

In 1992 Debbie Cook was made aware that several Sea Org Members children in the cadet org had been sexually molested and effectively raped. Debbie's reaction was the same as ours - throw the children into ethics and find out why they "pulled it in" and to get their perversions on the Second Dynamic corrected; and to enforce that no police were contacted and force the Sea Org parents involved to be disallowed to talk with the adults who did it (yes, women and men did the molesting). Any Sea Org parent who made a fuss was also thrown into ethics - and Debbie herself ordered this. She even had the sex offenders given new posts and they simply did "ethics conditions".

In addition to this, Debbie Cook actively promoted and sent FSO Recruiter Nissem Moscona (spelling phonetically, probably spelling it very wrong) to third world countries in South America to "Recruit" sea org members that were raw public. Debbie herself OKed and even helped to formulate those "missions" to Mexico and other countries. When these recruits arrived many of them appealed to her directly to be let go of. Her response was to have them thrown on the decks, refused their return airfares and under Flag Orders allowing them to have their pay suspended, removed any means they had of even making phone calls back home. So many of them knew virtually no english that they created their own "group" at the Flag Land Base and rather than given assistance in education or learning English were instead rushed through training in translated texts. She also knew and supported the withholding of their passports. She knowingly approved those missions and new the garbage they were bringing back. She had no concerns about the innumerable phone calls being made to the FSO by concerned parents, sisters and brothers and ordered HCO to prevent any messages or letters going to those staff.

In addition to this she was most happy to take advantage of a loop hole in the Book Sales Commissions scheme herself and worked with the Book Store Officer and turned a blind eye to him often each week reaping over $10,000 in commissions. She was happy to do this because she often interjected in the reg cycles and therefore she claimed "50/50" on these commissions. While hard working Sea Org Members had insufficient funds to buy coffee, Debbie had her lovely car and the BSO drove a Pontiac. In a single year she earned as CO FSO an outstanding sum and when some of those over-regged people attempted to claw back money or get financial aid, she instead ordered them to ethics. Not COB, she did.

In addition to this, Debbie when confronted with the massive budget crisis rather than cut the luxury expenses of Flag for it's executives, instead ordered all staff to have 2 minutes showers to reduce costs and then had the FSO Accountant find ways of cutting costs - his solution which she approved was to cut red meat from the diet of all staff. She of course, ate rather well. She herself had her quarters upgraded to what could only be called "a palace" even before she was married violating the rules on Sea Org Members having shared quarters until marriage. While other staff were made to do Clean Ship Project on Saturdays, Debbie instead had her communicator clean her place and she would go off and spend time driving.

Upgrades at the Hacienda gardens which were to be air conditioners during the punishing summers was instead handled with staff crammed into tighter quarters. FSO earning 60-70 million per week was "insufficient" to warrant the expense of $50,000 in air conditioners.

Debbie Cook herself knew and approved several persons onto OT VII who had known sex offenses against children and their own siblings and allowed them to proceed "if they donationed generous sums which oddly often included massive book purchases for "libraries" thus reaping commissions. Rather than reporting to the police or interpol what these scum bags actually did, they agreed to let them do ethics conditions instead. She knowingly approved and assisted in the hiding of several Sea Org staff who were sent from overseas locations who were the subject of attempts by their families to recover them. Her orders were to not allow any communications letters, phone calls or otherwise to get to them. Yes, I have names of those Sea Org Members. They were put on staff training programs.

Debbie herself played along with CMO to send over 100 staff on missions to Flag Land Base who were then told "Surprise, you are not going anywhere" when the Sea Org members complained that they were now thousands of miles from their children or spouses, Debbie had them thrown onto the decks as out-ethics and cut communication via telephones for those Sea Org Members. Many of them were given committee's of evidence or thrown into the RPF for defiance.

It was Debbie Cook more than CMO CW that ordered Beans and Rice which extended to budget cuts for Sea Org Children who received very poor quality food and Debbie made the point to argue "You're the parents, you pay for it," to those who complained. Easy for her to say.

Debbie Cook witnessed and allowed Sea Org children to be with COB during his visits for periods extending from 7AM to 2AM in the morning. She gladly "gave" sea org children over to COB in this respect. She approved the FLB budgets for rooms for COB and his staff in 4 apartments that cost more than the entire budget for 3 years for all staff food. the rooms consisted of imported rugs, marble form Italy and Spain and exercise equipment that was state-of-the-art at the time.

During COBs visits and also those of Missions from CMO Int often orders were issued for beans and rice as punishments, yet she ordered and allowed in the budget catered food from Flag Crew Restaurants for herself and the mission staff. Under Flag Order rule, for every mission sent into an organization, a staff member had to be given up as exchange for the mission. She did not want to give up her staff so allowed them to select a member of CMO Clearwater and in their place a child was talen from the cadet org (usually 12-14 years old) and put through training.

She herself often had meals ordered (with her lavish accounts) food from the restaurants at Flag while the others ate Beans and Rice. Debbie Cook with the Flag Land Base Finance Director approved all budgets and it was Debbie - not her executive team that had cut bedding, water supplies for showers, food, all medal expenses removed for staff and even orders for reduced electricity use on the rooms ordering "lights out". Staff with immigration issues were first asked to contact their families back home to obtain funds with the "promise" of a returning vacation. In 2 years Debbie from a staff of 1,500 approved less than 10 CSWs for people to take annual leave and the rest were denied - she did this.

She also knowingly had hundreds of OTs invited to Flag and knowing they were using all available credit and were in immense debt directly ordered them to ethics HERSELF if they did not give more. This happened when Sue, WDC FSO at the time came to Flag and ordered the Gross Income up. OTs were told to come to flag and were squeezed so hard Debbie had a specialist ethics team on hand to immediately put them on routing forms to ethics if they did not comply. In the same area where they were told to give they had HCO staff on hand with routing forms ready to route them.

So let's set the record very straight on Debbie Cook. Those who worked above her knew it which is why she was kept at the helm of Flag for so long. There were few Sea Org members capable of doing this with a straight face. I find it ironic that she would hold tears recalling the hole when she herself at Flag ordered SO MANY Sea Org members away from their kids onto decks with orders for no communication.

When the amnesties were announced her concern was the fact that there would be no more slave labor to build FSO and with CMO pushed to have exemptions issued so that RPFers could not leave the RPF. Such a compassionate lady.

She was brutal. Even most Messengers watched themselves even around her as she was not replaceable so she couldn't be screamed at particularly (although it still happened).

Any one defending her doesn't know Debbie Cook at all and is hearing Public Relations chatter. What Marty says COB does to staff is a crime and Debbie was almost as bad - they were pretty close in that respect - just ask her executive team, I am sure they can impart some horror stories that will make your hair stand on edge.

If you can excuse her behavior, I suggest to re-read it again and as with the information I provide it might take a year or two to verify it, but it will pan-out if you can find others with first hand experience working with or under her at FLAG and everything I have accounted for is first hand knowledge.

What a stomach turning story....makes me hate management even more...:angry:
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation
snipped.

If you can excuse her behavior, I suggest to re-read it again and as with the information I provide it might take a year or two to verify it, but it will pan-out if you can find others with first hand experience working with or under her at FLAG and everything I have accounted for is first hand knowledge.


Yep, she sounds as if she was a complete and utter cow ... just like most other SO "execs" were (or very soon became) possibly in order to survive that revolting and stressful environment, hopefully once out they reverted to being human again.

:confused2:

I don't see anyone defending or excusing her ... I don't personally like to see anyone specific being attacked here for things they did in the cult because I don't think it's helpful to the many others who may have done things they now regret who may be reading here.

I'm interested in the info about children and COB though, what on earth is that all about ie what did he want with them ... and why till 2am?

That bothers me.

A lot.

 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
Yep, she sounds as if she was a complete and utter cow ... just like most other SO "execs" were (or very soon became) possibly in order to survive that revolting and stressful environment, hopefully once out they reverted to being human again.

To be picked as an exec, and to STAY an exec, you had to give your seniors what they wanted. The ones who survived as execs were the ones who could make themselves operate with complete ruthlessness towards staff and public, if that's what it took to get the results which made their seniors happy. Keep in mind, also, that being ruthless whip-wielders was something that was demanded all the way up to LRH's level. LRH openly expressed contempt, in HCOPLs, towards execs who were "worker oriented". To be accused of being "worker oriented"(being more concerned with the welfare of your juniors than with getting the stat) was a kiss of death to a manager in Scn. Many thus would feel they had to go out of their way to demonstrate they were not "worker oriented".

A toxic environment produces toxic behavior. Removal from the environment can revert the behavior.

As an extreme example, I've known several wonderful guys, great to hang out with, warm and sensitive. They also have each killed multiple people without hesitation. They were in the military at the time, so it was all fine. You do what you have to do to survive.
 

Jag

Patron
Thank you for this data. I figured anyone who ran Flag for that long had to be a dirt bag. You validated my suspicions.
 

Boson Wog Stark

Patron Meritorious
To be picked as an exec, and to STAY an exec, you had to give your seniors what they wanted. The ones who survived as execs were the ones who could make themselves operate with complete ruthlessness towards staff and public, if that's what it took to get the results which made their seniors happy. Keep in mind, also, that being ruthless whip-wielders was something that was demanded all the way up to LRH's level. LRH openly expressed contempt, in HCOPLs, towards execs who were "worker oriented". To be accused of being "worker oriented"(being more concerned with the welfare of your juniors than with getting the stat) was a kiss of death to a manager in Scn. Many thus would feel they had to go out of their way to demonstrate they were not "worker oriented".

A toxic environment produces toxic behavior. Removal from the environment can revert the behavior.

As an extreme example, I've known several wonderful guys, great to hang out with, warm and sensitive. They also have each killed multiple people without hesitation. They were in the military at the time, so it was all fine. You do what you have to do to survive.

I know this is kind of a different point, but I always think of the military in comparison to the Sea Org too, because they're both so highly structured and restrictive. One difference is, with the military, at least you know there's a chance that during a war, you might have to kill people.

The thing about Scientology, with it being secretive, and a supposed "religion," is that gradient people get on. First they join and want to improve themselves, or be free of trauma or something they feel is holding them back, and then they may become executives like Debbie, charged with sucking millions of dollars out of people, and getting her underlings to "produce." It's just so non-religious.

This is why it is insane for Scientology to contend, for example, that people shouldn't believe or read the books by Sea Org members like Marc or Jenna, who were there and just write about what it was like.

There are hundreds of books to read about what being in the military is like. There are more books to read about what being in the CIA is like than in Scientology's Sea Org! Why should it be so secretive? Well, they have a lot to hide, that's why.

It's insane to have children or young people signing up for a billion years, getting into something where they are not allowed to read books about what it is like.
 

GreyLensman

Silver Meritorious Patron
Debbie does evil, justifies it, keeps that justification, does a slight bit of good with an email but that email is within the context of the evil she has done (keeps the justification), then takes money and shuts up.

I'm not seeing where she is even slightly a good egg here.
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
Debbie does evil, justifies it, keeps that justification, does a slight bit of good with an email but that email is within the context of the evil she has done (keeps the justification), then takes money and shuts up.

I'm not seeing where she is even slightly a good egg here.

One way of looking at it, is she did the email to make amends.

Another way of looking at it, is she did it to tell DM:

"You need to pay me off, or I will put out more emails and blog posts. I know LOTS of things. Things that you REALLY don't want on the Internet. I have stuff ready to go, in the hands of multiple trusted people, and if anything happens to me, it will ALL go on the internet.

Including a youtube video where I name YOU as a person who I am in fear of, and that you will want me killed".
 

Dean Blair

Silver Meritorious Patron
Thank you for all of the information. I had no idea that this was the case with Debbie Cook. I knew her when she was a flag intern supervisor and liked her but this changes everything.
 

Pheryn

Patron with Honors
One way of looking at it, is she did the email to make amends.

Another way of looking at it, is she did it to tell DM:
"You need to pay me off, or I will put out more emails and blog posts. I know LOTS of things. Things that you REALLY don't want on the Internet. I have stuff ready to go, in the hands of multiple trusted people, and if anything happens to me, it will ALL go on the internet.

Including a youtube video where I name YOU as a person who I am in fear of, and that you will want me killed".

At first, I thought of it this way. But, the more I learned about Debbie and her time in the Sea Org(and after) I began to think of it a bit differently. To me, the email wasn't really about making amends, but, a more selfish motive. Debbie routed out of the Sea Org and became a public scientologist in good standing along with her husband and the two of them had their own business. It is my opinion that the email came about because the Co$ was now using the same fundraising techniques that she once used herself to get into her wallet. I think she brought up the abuse during the trial as a way of "Oh, you're suing me? Well guess what buddy...". She aired some very dirty laundry and the 'church' whipped out their checkbook so she wouldn't/couldn't spill all. I'm sure what she said was just the very tip of the iceberg of what she really knows.

Maybe Debbie was trying to make amends with the email and/or by telling of her time in the hole. None of us will ever really know.
 

Purple Rain

Crusader
This was posted on The Bake from Mirna regarding Debbie Cook's behavior as the Captain of Flag. She should have started a fund to help Sea Org people get out and get their lives going again. In fact, any high ranking official in the cult that left and accepted blood money needs to do that. They need to help those people they left in the cult. It is the right thing to do. Had Debbie done that - she would have made up more damage. The e-mail was great - but taking blood money is not okay. I can only assume she did by her silence. If Debbie Cook is reading this - you need to make up the damage YOU caused by helping the Sea Org people have a place to go and get money and help.

http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=303485

I was in the SO at FSO in the early to mid 1990s. There is no doubt that there is a component of truth that we all acted in certain ways because it was SOP or there was duress/ orders from above or some idea of "for the greater good," but many of us acted on our own accord and some very selfishly and Debbie Cook has far more than her share of crimes, yes crimes in the real sense, not the fucked up "scientology" sense. I even knew Wayne before he courageously presented her with flowers and they started a relationship.

Debbie Cook is not a victim. Her are some truths about her actions as CO FSO:

In 1992 Debbie Cook was made aware that several Sea Org Members children in the cadet org had been sexually molested and effectively raped. Debbie's reaction was the same as ours - throw the children into ethics and find out why they "pulled it in" and to get their perversions on the Second Dynamic corrected; and to enforce that no police were contacted and force the Sea Org parents involved to be disallowed to talk with the adults who did it (yes, women and men did the molesting). Any Sea Org parent who made a fuss was also thrown into ethics - and Debbie herself ordered this. She even had the sex offenders given new posts and they simply did "ethics conditions".

In addition to this, Debbie Cook actively promoted and sent FSO Recruiter Nissem Moscona (spelling phonetically, probably spelling it very wrong) to third world countries in South America to "Recruit" sea org members that were raw public. Debbie herself OKed and even helped to formulate those "missions" to Mexico and other countries. When these recruits arrived many of them appealed to her directly to be let go of. Her response was to have them thrown on the decks, refused their return airfares and under Flag Orders allowing them to have their pay suspended, removed any means they had of even making phone calls back home. So many of them knew virtually no english that they created their own "group" at the Flag Land Base and rather than given assistance in education or learning English were instead rushed through training in translated texts. She also knew and supported the withholding of their passports. She knowingly approved those missions and new the garbage they were bringing back. She had no concerns about the innumerable phone calls being made to the FSO by concerned parents, sisters and brothers and ordered HCO to prevent any messages or letters going to those staff.

In addition to this she was most happy to take advantage of a loop hole in the Book Sales Commissions scheme herself and worked with the Book Store Officer and turned a blind eye to him often each week reaping over $10,000 in commissions. She was happy to do this because she often interjected in the reg cycles and therefore she claimed "50/50" on these commissions. While hard working Sea Org Members had insufficient funds to buy coffee, Debbie had her lovely car and the BSO drove a Pontiac. In a single year she earned as CO FSO an outstanding sum and when some of those over-regged people attempted to claw back money or get financial aid, she instead ordered them to ethics. Not COB, she did.

In addition to this, Debbie when confronted with the massive budget crisis rather than cut the luxury expenses of Flag for it's executives, instead ordered all staff to have 2 minutes showers to reduce costs and then had the FSO Accountant find ways of cutting costs - his solution which she approved was to cut red meat from the diet of all staff. She of course, ate rather well. She herself had her quarters upgraded to what could only be called "a palace" even before she was married violating the rules on Sea Org Members having shared quarters until marriage. While other staff were made to do Clean Ship Project on Saturdays, Debbie instead had her communicator clean her place and she would go off and spend time driving.

Upgrades at the Hacienda gardens which were to be air conditioners during the punishing summers was instead handled with staff crammed into tighter quarters. FSO earning 60-70 million per week was "insufficient" to warrant the expense of $50,000 in air conditioners.

Debbie Cook herself knew and approved several persons onto OT VII who had known sex offenses against children and their own siblings and allowed them to proceed "if they donationed generous sums which oddly often included massive book purchases for "libraries" thus reaping commissions. Rather than reporting to the police or interpol what these scum bags actually did, they agreed to let them do ethics conditions instead. She knowingly approved and assisted in the hiding of several Sea Org staff who were sent from overseas locations who were the subject of attempts by their families to recover them. Her orders were to not allow any communications letters, phone calls or otherwise to get to them. Yes, I have names of those Sea Org Members. They were put on staff training programs.

Debbie herself played along with CMO to send over 100 staff on missions to Flag Land Base who were then told "Surprise, you are not going anywhere" when the Sea Org members complained that they were now thousands of miles from their children or spouses, Debbie had them thrown onto the decks as out-ethics and cut communication via telephones for those Sea Org Members. Many of them were given committee's of evidence or thrown into the RPF for defiance.

It was Debbie Cook more than CMO CW that ordered Beans and Rice which extended to budget cuts for Sea Org Children who received very poor quality food and Debbie made the point to argue "You're the parents, you pay for it," to those who complained. Easy for her to say.

Debbie Cook witnessed and allowed Sea Org children to be with COB during his visits for periods extending from 7AM to 2AM in the morning. She gladly "gave" sea org children over to COB in this respect. She approved the FLB budgets for rooms for COB and his staff in 4 apartments that cost more than the entire budget for 3 years for all staff food. the rooms consisted of imported rugs, marble form Italy and Spain and exercise equipment that was state-of-the-art at the time.

During COBs visits and also those of Missions from CMO Int often orders were issued for beans and rice as punishments, yet she ordered and allowed in the budget catered food from Flag Crew Restaurants for herself and the mission staff. Under Flag Order rule, for every mission sent into an organization, a staff member had to be given up as exchange for the mission. She did not want to give up her staff so allowed them to select a member of CMO Clearwater and in their place a child was talen from the cadet org (usually 12-14 years old) and put through training.

She herself often had meals ordered (with her lavish accounts) food from the restaurants at Flag while the others ate Beans and Rice. Debbie Cook with the Flag Land Base Finance Director approved all budgets and it was Debbie - not her executive team that had cut bedding, water supplies for showers, food, all medal expenses removed for staff and even orders for reduced electricity use on the rooms ordering "lights out". Staff with immigration issues were first asked to contact their families back home to obtain funds with the "promise" of a returning vacation. In 2 years Debbie from a staff of 1,500 approved less than 10 CSWs for people to take annual leave and the rest were denied - she did this.

She also knowingly had hundreds of OTs invited to Flag and knowing they were using all available credit and were in immense debt directly ordered them to ethics HERSELF if they did not give more. This happened when Sue, WDC FSO at the time came to Flag and ordered the Gross Income up. OTs were told to come to flag and were squeezed so hard Debbie had a specialist ethics team on hand to immediately put them on routing forms to ethics if they did not comply. In the same area where they were told to give they had HCO staff on hand with routing forms ready to route them.

So let's set the record very straight on Debbie Cook. Those who worked above her knew it which is why she was kept at the helm of Flag for so long. There were few Sea Org members capable of doing this with a straight face. I find it ironic that she would hold tears recalling the hole when she herself at Flag ordered SO MANY Sea Org members away from their kids onto decks with orders for no communication.

When the amnesties were announced her concern was the fact that there would be no more slave labor to build FSO and with CMO pushed to have exemptions issued so that RPFers could not leave the RPF. Such a compassionate lady.

She was brutal. Even most Messengers watched themselves even around her as she was not replaceable so she couldn't be screamed at particularly (although it still happened).

Any one defending her doesn't know Debbie Cook at all and is hearing Public Relations chatter. What Marty says COB does to staff is a crime and Debbie was almost as bad - they were pretty close in that respect - just ask her executive team, I am sure they can impart some horror stories that will make your hair stand on edge.

If you can excuse her behavior, I suggest to re-read it again and as with the information I provide it might take a year or two to verify it, but it will pan-out if you can find others with first hand experience working with or under her at FLAG and everything I have accounted for is first hand knowledge.

How do you know that this Mirna Minkoff is credible? And if he or she has direct knowledge of David Miscavige perpetrating paedophilia, why is it not his or her responsibility to go to the police?

I'm not saying Debbie Cook did or didn't do these things, but buggered if I'll believe it just because one person says so, especially when it is now in the cult's interests to slime and discredit Debbie Cook.
 

Purple Rain

Crusader
Thank you for all of the information. I had no idea that this was the case with Debbie Cook. I knew her when she was a flag intern supervisor and liked her but this changes everything.

Edit: Oh, never mind. I don't know what to think.

Edit: No, she just really doesn't strike me as a person who would knowingly procure children for a paedophile. EVERYTHING else I could believe, but not that. Whoever it was really stretches my credulity on that one. That's just one step too far for me.

Someone who has enough integrity to stick up for their fellows in the hole despite being beaten and stuck in a garbage bin with cold water tipped over their head, is not the type of person to do that. That type of person would have JOINED IN to protect their own interests, but she didn't.
 
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freethinker

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How do you know that Debbie stuck up for people in the Hole?

Why is it so hard to believe that Debbie would do that when Lisa McPherson died on her watch? Do you think she didn't know what was happening to Lisa?

One point that was made by Enthetan which I think you have to at least consider is that Debbie was Captain for a long time. I never heard of her being RPF'd while on that post. Debbie worked for a guy, I believe you know, is capable of that and worse. Why would it be so hard to believe Pedophilia from someone who treats human beings worse than animals?

You can believe she is not capable of such things but to survive on staff in Scientology one has to be capable of such things or never become an exec.

Think of some of the things you may have been asked to do.

Edit: Oh, never mind. I don't know what to think.

Edit: No, she just really doesn't strike me as a person who would knowingly procure children for a paedophile. EVERYTHING else I could believe, but not that. Whoever it was really stretches my credulity on that one. That's just one step too far for me.

Someone who has enough integrity to stick up for their fellows in the hole despite being beaten and stuck in a garbage bin with cold water tipped over their head, is not the type of person to do that. That type of person would have JOINED IN to protect their own interests, but she didn't.
 

Gib

Crusader
How do you know that this Mirna Minkoff is credible? And if he or she has direct knowledge of David Miscavige perpetrating paedophilia, why is it not his or her responsibility to go to the police?

I'm not saying Debbie Cook did or didn't do these things, but buggered if I'll believe it just because one person says so, especially when it is now in the cult's interests to slime and discredit Debbie Cook.

Agreed Purple.

That story by Mirna is dead agenting.

It was told to people I know in, and the story discredited Debbie's email, and the people who read the DA pack then poo'd poo'd Debbie and got back on the bandwagon of scientology. Pure ad hom, rhetoric.

Whatever Debbie did as a SO member doesn't matter, what matters is what her message said. And what really matters is that Debbies message got lots of people to question DM's management of scientology and to question if DM is applying KSW (and I'm stating this from a still-in member point of view).

And lest not all forget, Debbie got SUED by the COS, Debbie did not sue the COS for money.

Now, what Debbie did as SO member and if it is true, all her bad deeds, I certainly understand it was bad.

But I give her kudos for sending that message knowing what would happen and she probably knew she would be discredited as a slime ball, criminal, bad person only looking out for herself, etc.
 

Purple Rain

Crusader
How do you know that Debbie stuck up for people in the Hole?

Why is it so hard to believe that Debbie would do that when Lisa McPherson died on her watch? Do you think she didn't know what was happening to Lisa?

One point that was made by Enthetan which I think you have to at least consider is that Debbie was Captain for a long time. I never heard of her being RPF'd while on that post. Debbie worked for a guy, I believe you know, is capable of that and worse. Why would it be so hard to believe Pedophilia from someone who treats human beings worse than animals?

You can believe she is not capable of such things but to survive on staff in Scientology one has to be capable of such things or never become an exec.

Think of some of the things you may have been asked to do.

There were other witnesses to what happened to Debbie Cook in the Hole - who also reported the event long before she did.

You and I "babysat" someone together. Would YOU have procured a child to have sex with David Miscavige? Yes, that is hard for me to believe.

I'm only surprised that this person didn't also claim she was a prostitute with venereal disease.
 
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