The Waterkamps declare independance! A whole family is OUT!

[Idle Morgue]

The Waterkamps Declare Independence

The Waterkamp's declaration is on Marty's blog - the whole family left together. Now that is being AT CAUSE!!



Look's like the Fraud Land Base's crimes are what woke them up!


Fraud Land Base is getting more and more people OUT!!





Thank you Fraud Land Base - That is a very well done!

 

[R6Basic]

Cool, I never read Marty's blog so that is good to know.

 

[OperatingSP]

The Waterkamps Declare Independence

The Waterkamp's declaration is on Marty's blog - the whole family left together. Now that is being AT CAUSE!!

The Waterkamps Declare Independence
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2012/08/07/the-waterkamps-declare-independence/

My beautiful and wonderful wife of 26 years, Sabine, who went with me through all of this, claims number 357 on the Indy 500 list and I’d like to be 358.

COS Facebook Police strike:

Which brings us to present time. This morning the rumor mill started and the facebook police went into action:

“Sorry to tell you Sabine Waterkamp got declared a few days ago. I have unfriended her and also blocked her on Facebook. I suggest you do the same.

Any questions? Call Daniel, Chief MAA at Flag, (727) 423-1269. That’s how I learned of the sad event.

ML, Sandee”

The irony is this this email is sent around to our friends by Sandee Ferman. Sandee was fired from Delphi Academy a few years ago because she was involved in massive fraud by falsifying statistics at Delphi Academy for years which brought the school to the brink of disaster. The church has to use known frauds these days to do their dirty work.

As expected nobody from the church has informed us. They are too cowardly to confront us. Nobody has shown us any declare, no committee of evidence, nothing. Hi Freya, if you are still at OSA and read this our fax is 818-951-7352. You should send us at least a copy so we know what we are accused off.

Now get this, when Sandee was asked for more information this is the response:

“Daniel, Chief MAA at Flag, reports they connected up with unfriendlies and started speaking out against the Church. They also requested refunds. It was pretty clear to me. I just got off the phone with him. I gave you his cell phone number.

 

[TG1]

Wow, that's an interesting story.

Per that guy's writeup, he and his family lost their livelihood in Germany as a result of being Scientologists. So in 1996 they immigrated to the US and started over. Then, being closer to Flag, they started rubbing elbows with what they'd sacrificed themselves for -- 6-month sec checks, Super Power contributions, regging, more bullshit. So they took a long hiatus. Eventually they read Truth Rundown, Freedumb mag, the Internet. Apparently, they also had the temerity to ask questions and say what they actually thought.

The eventual outcome was unavoidable -- they've now been declared by the Church and unfriended and blocked on Facebook.

Despite the "fact" that disconnection doesn't exist.

TG1

 

[FoTi]

So....I guess disconnection is now called 'unfriending' or 'blocking'?

And so now they can say there is no disconnection and it's an acceptable truth?

 

[WildKat]

Even better... we all have a new name: UNFRIENDLIES!!!
LOL!!!!

 

[Smilla]

"When the red light turns green please open the airlock door, and make your way through the transfer tube. Suit technicians will be waiting for you in the Martyzone to help you out of your pressure suits. Martyzone has the same atmospheric pressure as the Cof$, so you will not experience any decompression effects."

But seriously, I'm glad they left the Cof$.

 

[Claire Swazey]

Unfriending and blocking (on FB and message boards) is, IMO, something that goes with disconnection but is not in of itself disconnection. I would call those things components of disconnection.

For example. someone here was really unhappy with me and unfriended me on FB. She sure didn't disconnect, though. Wrote me and told me what she thought of me. Posted numerous responses to my posts.

So you can have unfriending and blocking with no disconnection, you can have unfriending and blocking with disconnection and that is part of disconnection.

In this case, it's part and parcel of a cultic disconnection but obviously would not be the only thing. It's a closing off of one particular venue as part of a disconnection campaign.

 

[Arthur Dent]

Glad they are out and not disconnected from one another as a family!
They have really endured a lot. So many have!

 

[Claire Swazey]

Those Facebook blockings and such by CofS members really come off like waaah waaah, we don't wanna play with you anymore cuz YOU like those other kids...

 

[Smilla]

Those Facebook blockings and such by CofS members really come off like waaah waaah, we don't wanna play with you anymore cuz YOU like those other kids...

Yeah, it's kind of pitiful. Small-minded and crass.

 

[Gadfly]

As far back as I was involved (1976), Scientology has always been about CONTROLLING BODIES (and communication lines).

Where is "controlling bodies" on the Hubbard Tone Scale? :confused2:

 

[Smurf]

Those Facebook blockings and such by CofS members really come off like waaah waaah, we don't wanna play with you anymore cuz YOU like those other kids...

There are several Indies & critics that do the same with each other on Facebook....waaaa.. if you don't agree with them or your opinions don't align with theirs.... they will block you & unfriend you...

waaaaaaa....

 

[Gadfly]

There are several Indies & critics that do the same with each other on Facebook....waaaa.. if you don't agree with them or your opinions don't align with theirs.... they will block you & unfriend you...

waaaaaaa....

It is like little kids in grade school. It is common for some youngster to stand and proclaim "you are not my friend any more".

To a little mediocre childish mind, it is the "ultimate make-wrong".

THAT is what goes on in Scientology. They are a bunch of BABIES!!!!

And, the HCOs and MAAs of the various orgs control and orchestrate such endless nonsense.

 

[Claire Swazey]

There are several Indies & critics that do the same with each other on Facebook....waaaa.. if you don't agree with them or your opinions don't align with theirs.... they will block you & unfriend you...

waaaaaaa....

I don't think all blockings and unfriendings are a waah waah situation. Some people (and I do NOT mean you, Smurfie) are too unpleasant to be considered "friends". I blocked a guy who posts here for example, since he insulted my husband on my FB wall. (and that's not all he did)

CofS bot's behavior strikes me as waah waah because they are getting other people to unfriend and block the person. They write them and tell them to do it. And it's not even like, ok, the person and I don't get along so I don't want to be their friend on FB. It's like, hey, I heard they did this and that, let's get everyone to unfriend them.

 

[Purple Rain]

I am pleased for the Waterkamps that they have taken a step out of Scientology. It is sad that they are also unknowingly promoting the "Scientology has morphed" lie. Hopefully one day they will wake up and realise there were the same products of "slaughtered" people back when Paulette Cooper first investigated it and even before, and that the "green on white" does require Scientologists to do this shit.

 

[Idle Morgue]

Unfriending and blocking (on FB and message boards) is, IMO, something that goes with disconnection but is not in of itself disconnection. I would call those things components of disconnection.

For example. someone here was really unhappy with me and unfriended me on FB. She sure didn't disconnect, though. Wrote me and told me what she thought of me. Posted numerous responses to my posts.

So you can have unfriending and blocking with no disconnection, you can have unfriending and blocking with disconnection and that is part of disconnection.

In this case, it's part and parcel of a cultic disconnection but obviously would not be the only thing. It's a closing off of one particular venue as part of a disconnection campaign.

They have a Hat write up for the FACEBOOK Police I/C. There is a spot on the Morgue Board - and every Org has a FB Cop I/C. You too can be one - low pay, long hours but you can say "you yelped"!!!

I have received the notice that I was "connected" to an Es Pee - and I was to DISCONNECT!" The message was not very friendly - so I took EVERY SINGLE Scientologist off of my facebook page. I am still public so the Scientologists can get on my page and see that I still have a page - but not one Clam is a "friend" because they are not my "friends"! They are the enemy and all they want from me is my free labor and money! I got rid of all of those so-called "friends".

 

[OperatingSP]

The Waterkamps, Germany, "Religious Bigotry" vs. Justified Fear, Independent Scientology & The Tech

Marty's Blog: The Waterkamps Declare Independence
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2012/08/07/the-waterkamps-declare-independence/

Fairly standard, albeit lengthy, Declaration of Independence. Still worth a read.

Dr. Faustus made some interesting and insightful comments:
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2012/08/07/the-waterkamps-declare-independence/#comment-219648

Dr. Faust | August 7, 2012 at 10:30 pm | Reply
Gerhard,

“A few days later I was escorted by security out of the building. The owners wrote me a letter stating how disappointed they were, as per their own words, I had been one of their most energetic and productive executives and how in the world could I do it to them to be involved in Scientology.”

[...]

“Here I was, without means to support my family, publicly ousted as a bad guy and practically blacklisted from management positions in Germany.”

You wrote this was in 1995, which is nearly 10 years after Miscavige came to power. Has it ever occured to you, that this “blacklisting” happened because you were a member of, and giving money to an organisation whose policies were and still are abusive, and that could possibly be perilous to non-Scientologists?

You have just recently realised the truth about a situation that has been ongoing for at least the last 20 years and more. I think this is something that independents can agree on as well, as they hold Miscavige responsible for the suppressiveness of the Scientology organisation.

I am not making you wrong for not having realized this earlier. If I were in your shoes, it might have taken me just as long to wake up. However, already back then, the dangers were very real. Ruined existences, phony real estate deals scamming people out of their savings, dirty tricks OSA operations, bankrupt companies after managers in high positions start to divert company moneys into Scientology accounts. THIS is what brought about Ursula Caberta. Not a general suppressiveness on behalf of the German government.

You may have been a good guy. But let me ask you this: If Scientology had wanted to know information about the company where you hold your management position (like: “we need information about a suppressive working at your place!”), under threat of ethics handling or even an SP declare, could you honestly, with good conscience say, that you would have refused?

Nichts für Ungut. Alles Gute für Dich, und deine Familie!
(No offence! All the best to you and your family!)

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2012/08/07/the-waterkamps-declare-independence/#comment-219677

Dr. Faust | August 7, 2012 at 11:54 pm | Reply
My point is, that it is schizophrenic to say “The organisation I supported for years is suppressive and destructive”, while at the same time blaming “religious intolerance” for the disadvantages resultant from the involvement in it.

“Religious intolerance” has nothing to do with it. Involvement in a criminal organisation has. I know that Gerhard probably hasn’t realised back in 1995 what Miscavige, and his cronies and unethical Scientologists using money scams to forward the agenda of the IAS was really up to.

But ignorance is no excuse in law, and in hindsight, he has to take responsibility for consequences that followed.

 

[Purple Rain]

They have a Hat write up for the FACEBOOK Police I/C. There is a spot on the Morgue Board - and every Org has a FB Cop I/C. You too can be one - low pay, long hours but you can say "you yelped"!!!

I have received the notice that I was "connected" to an Es Pee - and I was to DISCONNECT!" The message was not very friendly - so I took EVERY SINGLE Scientologist off of my facebook page. I am still public so the Scientologists can get on my page and see that I still have a page - but not one Clam is a "friend" because they are not my "friends"! They are the enemy and all they want from me is my free labor and money! I got rid of all of those so-called "friends".

I can't believe that any Scientologist is truly surprised by this. We might never have known the full extent of the misery caused by disconnection and the criminality and immorality involved in fair gaming, but we damn well knew the score. We knew. Who wouldn't expect to be disconnected from when speaking out against the abuses or insanities of Scientology? It is sad, yes, but it is accepted and expected the whole time a Scientologist is a Scientologist. Yes, it sucks when it happens to others, but it seems to never really suck until it happens to you or your loved ones.

 

[WildKat]

I think a big distinction needs to be made in the decision to not associate with someone.

It is a right of any person, Scientologist or otherwise, to associate or not, with anyone.

The difference with the Borg Church is that they TELL you to not associate with someone THEY deem unacceptable, and then THREATEN you with heavy, painful consequences if you don't.

This is VERY DIFFERENT from anyone making the decision of their own volition, to not associate with an unpleasant person, and that is a basic right that we all have.