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The 'Why' Scientology works (on some) ....... & does not, on others .....

HoraciotheOT8

Patron with Honors
...which is a long story given the history of a spiritual being imagining itself (i.e mocking itself up) as being a man. The invisible becoming visible. The formeless taking form. The timeless appearing in time. etc.

Nonetheless I will provide a short version here (for openers) having been prepared for the intellectual elite amongst us. Elsewise it would take a few lifetimes (if not more) to explain the basic & fundamental dynamics involved to the idiots amongst us. Which are many.

The foremost question at the moment for us ('us' being humanity) is how is it possible that such a great human liar could produce such a great spiritual truth? Which conceptual framework is intellectually indisputable as being 'workable' (though the morons amongst us will continue to whine about it). So be it. More on being a moron later.

Given the depth, breadth and scope of the subject I must and will necessarily begin with a few simple concepts. Beginning with the fundamental concept that: all human beings have a 'Moral Code'. Which consequence of such an elementary concept will come into play later on (in terms of coming to understand why Scientology works on some, and why Scientology does not work on others).

By the way, as a side note, the reason most human beings do not think for themselves, is because thinking itself, is work. Don't believe me? Think about it.

L. Ron Hubbard knew something most people in this world didn't (and never would/will) know. Which is to say he knew he was a God, of sorts, in regard to this world. He knew he was a Spiritual Being that was formless and timeless and thus invisible and eternal, which he called, in his words, the Static. Not 'A' Static mind you. But 'The' Static. Big difference. More on that later. Covered in the subject of Being a 'Thetan'.

Sufficient to clarify (for the moment) Scientology appeared on the worlds stage/scene owing to the presence of a man that knew (if not merely deeply-believed) that all men were Gods, even as he struggled with his own sense (and reality) of being a man. With all of the difficulties such a co-reality entails and demands. After all, he did flunk physics. And he did write Dianetics. In that order.

More later.

The body is hungry. Must eat.

much love,
Horacio
 

Smilla

Ordinary Human
Click me.

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HoraciotheOT8

Patron with Honors
Any game is better than no game Smilla. Don't believe me? Don't get it?

Try Nirvana for a few eternities along any time track and you'll see.

Games rule.

Horacio
 

Smilla

Ordinary Human
Although innumerable beings have been led to Nirvana
no being has been led to Nirvana

Before one goes through the gate
one may not be aware there is a gate
one may think there is a gate to go through
and look a long time for it
without finding it
one may find it and
it may not open
If it opens one may be through it
As one goes through it
one sees that the gate one went through
was the self that went through it
no one went through a gate
there was no gate to go through
no one ever found a gate
no one ever realized there was never a gate

- RD Laing, Knots.
 

Gadfly

Crusader
The foremost question at the moment for us ('us' being humanity) is how is it possible that such a great human liar could produce such a great spiritual truth?

much love,
Horacio

Yoiu lost me already . . . .

WHAT "great spiritual truth"? :confused2:

I don't see it, and I am more than a little familiar with BOTH sides of the so-called "bridge".

So, your apparent "dilemma" mentioned above, to me, is quite non-existent.

The Scientology Bridge to Total Freedom is a path to nowhere (other than towards exaggerated egos who falsely imagine that they are somehow now "superior" as some sort of "OT").

"You" will NEVER "be God". At best "you" can dissolve and fade, and you might meld into God. But that is about it. I suppose that I have read too much "source data" from the original Hindu and Buddhist texts to fall for Hubbard's ersatz "spiritual philosophy". As long as there is any sense of "you", well, "you" have NOT "made it". And, if you think and believe that "you" have "made it" while wallowing in your individuality and uniqueness, then it is a delusion. Just like Hubbard - VERY deluded.

Sorry, Horatio, but your argument is already dead.

Note: I spend time every day on "spiritual pursuits", and I have had more "spiritual gains" with various forms of meditation. visualization, and various occult drills than anything I got from Scientology. But then, I am looking to expand my ability to be (nothing) and love, not to acquire "super abilities" (i.e. "OT").
 
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Gib

Crusader

Your post here Smilla got me thinking, especially timing wise with Martys latest blog post on tommy cruise, the third biggest being in the scientology world. First of course is lrh, then DM, and then TC.

But anyways, this whole OT thing actually produces "delusions of grandeur". That is the product of the whole bridge. :melodramatic:
 

Smilla

Ordinary Human
Your post here Smilla got me thinking, especially timing wise with Martys latest blog post on tommy cruise, the third biggest being in the scientology world. First of course is lrh, then DM, and then TC.

But anyways, this whole OT thing actually produces "delusions of grandeur". That is the product of the whole bridge. :melodramatic:

The minute someone starts telling people that they are superior to others, or behaving 'as if' they are better than others, they demonstrate the fact that they are deluded. Arrogance and haughtiness are two of the first things that need to be given up so that one can start to move towards some real spirituality and personal growth.
 

Gadfly

Crusader
The minute someone starts telling people that they are superior to others, or behaving 'as if' they are better than others, they demonstrate the fact that they are deluded. Arrogance and haughtiness are two of the first things that need to be given up so that one can start to move towards some real spirituality and personal growth.

So very true.

Over the years I have read quite a bit from authors who I consider to be "spiritually aware" people. What I noticed about them is that they share generous amounts of these qualities:

compassion
tolerance
love
understanding
peace
granting of beingness to others


They have very little of "themselves" actually there, and in its place is a bountiful and unwavering radiant love for all creation. They are like focused points of bright yellow-white energy. :happydance:

Scientology and Scientolgoists are so NOT like that. But then, they have a "big job to get done". :duh:

Scientology, no matter where you look or how you interpret it, has NO heart. :ohmy:

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DonkeyOT

Patron
...which is a long story given the history of a spiritual being imagining itself (i.e mocking itself up) as being a man. The invisible becoming visible. The formeless taking form. The timeless appearing in time. etc.

Nonetheless I will provide a short version here (for openers) having been prepared for the intellectual elite amongst us. Elsewise it would take a few lifetimes (if not more) to explain the basic & fundamental dynamics involved to the idiots amongst us. Which are many.

The foremost question at the moment for us ('us' being humanity) is how is it possible that such a great human liar could produce such a great spiritual truth? Which conceptual framework is intellectually indisputable as being 'workable' (though the morons amongst us will continue to whine about it). So be it. More on being a moron later.

Given the depth, breadth and scope of the subject I must and will necessarily begin with a few simple concepts. Beginning with the fundamental concept that: all human beings have a 'Moral Code'. Which consequence of such an elementary concept will come into play later on (in terms of coming to understand why Scientology works on some, and why Scientology does not work on others).

By the way, as a side note, the reason most human beings do not think for themselves, is because thinking itself, is work. Don't believe me? Think about it.

L. Ron Hubbard knew something most people in this world didn't (and never would/will) know. Which is to say he knew he was a God, of sorts, in regard to this world. He knew he was a Spiritual Being that was formless and timeless and thus invisible and eternal, which he called, in his words, the Static. Not 'A' Static mind you. But 'The' Static. Big difference. More on that later. Covered in the subject of Being a 'Thetan'.

Sufficient to clarify (for the moment) Scientology appeared on the worlds stage/scene owing to the presence of a man that knew (if not merely deeply-believed) that all men were Gods, even as he struggled with his own sense (and reality) of being a man. With all of the difficulties such a co-reality entails and demands. After all, he did flunk physics. And he did write Dianetics. In that order.

More later.

The body is hungry. Must eat.

much love,
Horacio

You, Lron Hubba and others can imagine being a god. So what? In your mind you are a god.

Let's see you demonstrate this Godliness in the "real" world.
 

Gib

Crusader
The minute someone starts telling people that they are superior to others, or behaving 'as if' they are better than others, they demonstrate the fact that they are deluded. Arrogance and haughtiness are two of the first things that need to be given up so that one can start to move towards some real spirituality and personal growth.

What you write reminds me about reading about hubbards kids and direct family. Nibs telling his story. Quentin killing himself, if true. Dianna not even mentioned in the PT scientology world. DM's family blowing now.

I thank you for your words Smilia. :eyeroll:
 

Winston Smith

Flunked Scientology
All this delusion of being "better" than someone else, feelings of "superiority" and such is a mask to hide behind. As in I am really quite unsure of myself, don't have any confidence in what I am doing, but I sure don't want my peers to know that.

An interesting thing happens though with age, at least in my experience. One comes around to not needing to put others down, not needing to make oneself right. Even in politics, while I will forever rile TAJ up over my conservatism, now I tend to withdraw rather than argue. Life is not worth arguing over.

I used to be in a field that was ripe for huge egos, classical music. But even there the best were always the humblest. The most down to earth, truly human people who did not engage in such sillyness. Rather they spend their energy encouraging others to be their best and find the greatest happiness in helping others improve.

In my final third of life, now I want to share my love of great music with others, to revel in the mystery of it all. There is no need for all the other crap that used to go along with it.
 

Gadfly

Crusader
All this delusion of being "better" than someone else, feelings of "superiority" and such is a mask to hide behind. As in I am really quite unsure of myself, don't have any confidence in what I am doing, but I sure don't want my peers to know that.

An interesting thing happens though with age, at least in my experience. One comes around to not needing to put others down, not needing to make oneself right. Even in politics, while I will forever rile TAJ up over my conservatism, now I tend to withdraw rather than argue. Life is not worth arguing over.

I used to be in a field that was ripe for huge egos, classical music. But even there the best were always the humblest. The most down to earth, truly human people who did not engage in such sillyness. Rather they spend their energy encouraging others to be their best and find the greatest happiness in helping others improve.

In my final third of life, now I want to share my love of great music with others, to revel in the mystery of it all. There is no need for all the other crap that used to go along with it.

Winston, that was truly beautiful! :thumbsup:
 

GoNuclear

Gold Meritorious Patron
...which is a long story given the history of a spiritual being imagining itself (i.e mocking itself up) as being a man. The invisible becoming visible. The formeless taking form. The timeless appearing in time. etc.

Horacio

Why Scientology works on some but not on others ... easy. Some people have money to extract. Other's don't. Some people are recuitable as staff, other's are not. Some are willing to be pushed around totally, making good slave labor, other's are not. Some can be separated from their money easily, other's cannot. The ideal Scientology candidate is a gullable, rich neurotic who allows himself to be pushed around and is easily separated from his money. That's the guy that Scientology can really work on.

Pete
 

OldTimingMan

Patron with Honors
The minute someone starts telling people that they are superior to others, or behaving 'as if' they are better than others, they demonstrate the fact that they are deluded. Arrogance and haughtiness are two of the first things that need to be given up so that one can start to move towards some real spirituality and personal growth.

I noticed that arrogance and haughtiness around as folks completed higher and higher levels, more in some than others. I think you are on to something with the Grand Delusion label. Maybe Ron was the master hypnotist, and of the GD.
 

shadow

Patron with Honors
The 'Why' Scientology works (on some) ....... & does not, on others .....

If by "works" you mean tricking trusting people into chasing false promises....I think this has been covered many times in many discussions. Learn google-foo, very useful.
 
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