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The worst damage Scientology does.

The "worst" is that people still actually think and talk about it TEN, TWENTY or MORE YEARS after they have LEFT! :ohmy: :duh: :omg: :yes: :confused2:

Some STILL consider it "relevant" even though they haven't been in a Church or Mission in sometimes 25 years!!!!

What was/is it about Scientology that can dig in SO DEEP and STAY THERE for so long? :confused2:

well....

you and anyone else is welcome to disagree but the virtues of auditing and auditor training are impressive.
 
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The Anabaptist Jacques

ahh, taj...

you were raised catholic. small wonder you can idealize a world without religion. over my many years the most vociferous atheists i've known have mostly been raised catholic.

personally i believe we need our churches. all of them. god bless america, we have had over our centuries all the fierce contentions of doctrine and theology that hurled countless armies across europe, africa and asia yet our first amendment has made it possible to keep the casualty list from these conflicts infintesimal.

and janis joplin can eat john lennon's lunch before he makes it to the breakast table
 

GoNuclear

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The "worst" is that people still actually think and talk about it TEN, TWENTY or MORE YEARS after they have LEFT! :ohmy: :duh: :omg: :yes: :confused2:

Some STILL consider it "relevant" even though they haven't been in a Church or Mission in sometimes 25 years!!!!

What was/is it about Scientology that can dig in SO DEEP and STAY THERE for so long? :confused2:

For a number of different reasons.

Most usually, people get sucked in when they are young, naieve, impressionable, etc. The "Scientology experience" will therefore be more deeply felt emotionally. Also, because of youth, the fiscal damage is worse. If, instead of blowing all your bucks on courses and expensives of auditing you made prudent, wise, well thought out investments that would have gotten you, on the average, say, a 15% per year return. How much further ahead would you be today financially? And that applies doubly to those who took out loans for those expensives and actually paid them back.

Busted marriages. Busted careers. Winding up on the street. Lost opportunities with quality folk you could have had some hot torrid affairs with. All those klumsy attempts to mockuppatoodee Scientology style. But I still haven't gotten to the crux of the matter.

At its core, Scientology is selling the same lie that the serpent told Eve in the Garden, which goes along the lines of "... and ye shall be as gods ... " As you go along with your expensives and doing TR's as part of courses ... which tend to be in many instances just a way of keeping folk available for redging for more expensives ... you are always looking for some moment when you gain some special ability. Once in awhile, you experience just a tiny wisp of something special, probably because you are looking for it, auto suggestion, or even a full phuggen moon, who knows. When it happens, you attribute it to Scientology, and that keeps you going. Eventually you run out of money and patience, or you get kicked out over some horseshitistic ethics crapola, etc. You might even stop believing the lie. It's just that even if you think it isn't true, you somehow think it should be.

Pete
 

Smilla

Ordinary Human
For a number of different reasons.

Most usually, people get sucked in when they are young, naieve, impressionable, etc. The "Scientology experience" will therefore be more deeply felt emotionally. Also, because of youth, the fiscal damage is worse. If, instead of blowing all your bucks on courses and expensives of auditing you made prudent, wise, well thought out investments that would have gotten you, on the average, say, a 15% per year return. How much further ahead would you be today financially? And that applies doubly to those who took out loans for those expensives and actually paid them back.

Busted marriages. Busted careers. Winding up on the street. Lost opportunities with quality folk you could have had some hot torrid affairs with. All those klumsy attempts to mockuppatoodee Scientology style. But I still haven't gotten to the crux of the matter.

At its core, Scientology is selling the same lie that the serpent told Eve in the Garden, which goes along the lines of "... and ye shall be as gods ... " As you go along with your expensives and doing TR's as part of courses ... which tend to be in many instances just a way of keeping folk available for redging for more expensives ... you are always looking for some moment when you gain some special ability. Once in awhile, you experience just a tiny wisp of something special, probably because you are looking for it, auto suggestion, or even a full phuggen moon, who knows. When it happens, you attribute it to Scientology, and that keeps you going. Eventually you run out of money and patience, or you get kicked out over some horseshitistic ethics crapola, etc. You might even stop believing the lie. It's just that even if you think it isn't true, you somehow think it should be.

Pete

Great post, and very true. About the "ye shall be as Gods" part - I've come to see Scientology more and more as being about Self-Worship. It's two Cults, I think. The Cult of Hubbard, which is a group thing, and the Solo Cult of Self-Worship. Just a thought or two.

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We all know the famous story near the beginning of Genesis about the expulsion from the Garden of Eden. It’s clear that God expels Adam and Eve from the garden. But the Zohar asks a startling question: Who threw whom out of the Garden? Through a very artistic and radical reading of the text, the Zohar suggests that Adam expelled God from the Garden! This seems impossible or heretical. But one way to understand this is that in some sense we’re still in the Garden—we just don’t realize it because we’ve lost touch with the spiritual dimension of life. The challenge is to reconnect with the divine reality that we have banished from our lives, to welcome God back in."
 
ahh, taj...

you were raised catholic. small wonder you can idealize a world without religion. over my many years the most vociferous atheists i've known have mostly been raised catholic.

personally i believe we need our churches. all of them. god bless america, we have had over our centuries all the fierce contentions of doctrine and theology that hurled countless armies across europe, africa and asia yet our first amendment has made it possible to keep the casualty list from these conflicts infintesimal.

and janis joplin can eat john lennon's lunch before he makes it to the breakast table

Religion has nothing to do with it Commander.

It is the literal words, it's the heart and the hope.

The Anabaptist Jacques
 
Religion has nothing to do with it Commander.

It is the literal words, it's the heart and the hope.

The Anabaptist Jacques

I'm with you on this, TAJ. Nurturing trust in religion diverts from the pursuit of truth. Moreover, religious institutions in their incessant competition for believers are innately divisive.

Better to encourage the private pursuit of spirituality & understanding and disempower religious institutions. That however runs contrary to human cultures and the exercise of practical politics.


Mark A. Baker
 
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