Gadfly
Crusader
I do have a heart.
I don't "blame" anyone.
Though I do see that the statement is true, that for someone to stay in and donate large amounts for extensive periods of time means that the person DID/DOES have "something wrong with them".
Call it a HUGE "blind spot". Call it an all-too common flaw of the modern "ego" of Man. I would add that most likely Buddha would probably also say that "most human beings have something really wrong with them". Otherwise, there wouldn't be the extensive techniques of Buddhism designed to aid a person in "letting go of the self".
I agree with Jesus when he supposedly said, "Forgive them for they know not what they do".
And, Buddha's probable observation of the sorry state of the majority of the members of humanity does not act to disable or prevent his amazing compassion. I have no doubt that Buddha would not view the common "mental state of any Earth human being" as anything less than "a problem of major magnitude".
Yes, I agree that "they are people and they do what they do because they believe truly and deeply in what they think they are accomplishing". But THAT does NOT justify or minimize anything. MANY people, many criminals, many dictators and many FANATICS also very much "believe truly and deeply in what they think they are accomplishing". THAT IS THE PROBLEM.
They are True Believers.
They believe truly and deeply in what they think they are accomplishing.
To me, THAT needs to be transcended. "Belief" is the root problem. Belief in ANYTHING. That is why I wrote the essay on the "Three Scientology Beliefs" that is mentioned at the bottom of my posts. Acceptance and belief in THEM sits at the very bottom of the Scientology farce. But, it takes a "believer" to BELIEVE.
Maybe THAT is the single worse thing about Scientology. That it feeds on people who have a tendency to "believe truly and deeply in what they think they are accomplishing". There is no doubt that Scientology creates that type of elitist imbecile who IMAGINES (falsely) that he or she is accomplishing some very great things and some amazing futures. Except they aren't! Not outside of their imaginations.
In the end WHO accepted, adopted and forwarded the crazy ideas about WHAT and HOW they were "accomplishing". I maintain, to the probable disgareement of some, that each of us, each of you who stayed in long and donated much, were the sole and final factor in ACCEPTING the package of lies. YOU AGREED. You didn't have to agree. You didn't HAVE to keep the blinders up strong and hard thus blocking yourself from observing the truths of the matter about Hubbard and Scientology. That some did stay in long and contribute much is simply a FACT. Is IS indicative of something about those people who did so. And, I do not see that as a "positive" from ANY angle.
People keep up blinders and lie to themselves about all sorts of things. Certain aspects of Buddhism also address THAT all-too-human tendency. It is a problem of a "mind" and "ego". And while this flaw IS very common, prevalent and widespread here on Earth, and while it is surely NOT at all unique to Scientology or Scientology participants, pointing it out does not mean that a person does not have "heart" for taking the time to point it out.
Of course, if a person points the above out to "cave in" or "upset" others, instead of pointing it out to "help", THAT would not be very cool.
As I see it, there is no doubt that Hubbard took very great advantage of this human tendency. THAT is very nasty - Hubbard's riding on the good intentions and hopes of largely decent people as a way to trick, manipulate and deceive them.
But, where does the buck stop? You say not to "blame" anyone who is still in. But, they ARE "responsible". They support an organization that actively harms others, that lies as a common practice, and whether they admit it, or know it or not, THAT is what they do. Just because some person "believes" that he is "helping the world" does NOT make everything OKAY. Christ, many Nazis truly believed that they WERE "helping bring about a better world". And, to use something other than the "Nazi card", many Muslim fundamentalists also truly believe that they ARE "helping bring about a better world" with every "western heathen" that they kill. I can point to MANY examples where seemingly decent people were wholly convinced by some lunatic, using promises and PR of "helping bring about a better world or future", to support and forward some INSANE group and belief system.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
I will be honest Good Twin, people who say what you just said SCARE THE HELL OUT OF ME.
The buck has to stop somewhere. It stops with each person, with each person who participates and contributes to any evil anywhere (whether or not one is too blind, too dumb, too deluded or too "filled-with-personal-ego" to notice that one is being "tricked"). One has to agree to be tricked since the trickery is almost entirely "mental". It is YOUR MIND and nobody else's.
I know, I am being too severe for some. But honestly, that IS the way it truly is.
Accept responsibilty for your own mind. Or don't.
"Hopes" and "actions" are two very different things. "Intentions" and "behavior" are two very different things. "Promises" and "reality" are often two very different things. Folks like Hubbard convince/convinced people "like you and me" to grossly confuse the two realms. Hubbard is the source of the problem, and any person who accepts, adopts and "thinks with the paradigm" is ALSO a "source of the problem". And, those who stayed in far longer and contributed far more simply DID contribute MORE to the perpetuation of the scam. It just is what it is.
The ONLY solution is to help others to withdraw their support for the ideas and for the group known as Scientology.
Oh, I never said that people stay/stayed in Scientology for "nefarious reasons". It is vital though for ANY person trying to understand the highly effective trap of Scientology, whether from the outside looking in, or as an ex-Scientologist, to grasp HOW it so very well functions in attracting and making TRUE BELIEVERS. (ref. The True Believer by Eric Hoffer)
Scientology produces Scientology believers. That is MAINLY what it does.
Scientology cannot and does not "create a world without crime, war and insanity". Scientology cannot and does not produce people with "higher IQs". Scientology cannot and does not "increase awareness" to any great degree. Scientology does not possess the "sole way out of the trap". Scientology does not "make a better future". But, many people along the way BELIEVE that it can and does.
The main product of involvement with Scientology is a "Scientology believer".
I am sorry but just because a person "believes" with all his or her heart and soul in "what they think they are accomplishing" ONLY means to me that he or she is quite DELUDED. These people reside in a mental imaginative world of absurdities. I have zero respect for ignornace and delusion, no matter how these things might clothe themselves to be otherwise. I do not find these traits "admirable". And, it means little to me that all of that nuttiness is carried along on a "wave of good intentions, hopes and dreams".
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