The worst single thing about Scientology...

[Sindy]

Re: The worst single thing about Scientology is "NOTHING"

Brilliant Post!

When a Scientologist lies they get a Freedom Medal.

When a non-Scientologist tells the truth, it's called "natter".

Question: When Scientology complains that someone is nattering, isn't that....natter?

Why, yes it is natter and that reminds me of the oft forgotten axiom:

ALTITUDE plus ATTITUDE inside an APPARENCY = NATTERING NINNIES KNOWING NOTHING

 

[Boojuum]

Re: The worst single thing about Scientology is "NOTHING"

The worst thing about Scientology to me is, in a word: Apparency

Scientology is the "religion" of apparency as defined only in Scientology's glossary:

apparency: the way someone or something appears to be, where this is different from the way that they actually are.

Scientology is only an apparency. That apparency is solely for PR purposes.

Rules of the Scientology Apparency


1. The end result of anything can simply be created at a moments notice. For example, in Scientology it is unnecessary to go through all the arduous motions of actually producing anything when you can just create it out of thin air (at the very last possible, stress filled moment) like:

- Photoshopping audiences or hiring actors to fill in seats.

- Pushing parishioners to purchase books to catapult LRH's books on to the best seller lists.

- Selling, like some MLM salespeople, huge books and lecture packages that sit in "OT's" basements like unwanted water filters just to "prove" that the world is absolutely clamoring for LRH's works.

- Photo ops with VMs for IAS poster images to enable unscrupulous fear mongers to keep extracting money from people who think they're salvaging planet earth when really they are simply growing a big, fat, "PTS to the Middle Class" couch potato ass and missing out on the rest of real life.

- Demanding that orgs send staff to Flag so that Flag is full of bodies and then taking forever to train them and then not letting them come home when they're done just so Flag is bustling with activity.

- The list is endless because:

NOTHING in Scientology is actually genuine. NOTHING. It's a big illusion (delusion). It's so winding and bending and creepy and hard to wrap your head around because it's supposed to be about TRUTH and it's the exact opposite and you just shake your head

The worst thing about Scientology is that everything it says it is it ISN'T but everything it really IS is actually quite visible BUT no one believes what they see and instead they believe the apparency no matter how strong the evidence to the contrary.

It's a wicked house of mirrors.

Orgs through the eyes of hypnotized Scientologists:

Through the eyes of those who can actually see:

Staff to the true believers:

Staff to the unhypnotized:

Scientology is actually NOTHING. It isn't real at all. It's a LIE. It's an apparency and a very creepy one at that.

Tremendous post!!!


This is the kind of post that makes ESMB fabulous. It's fun, it's true, it's insightful, it's clever and helps the likes of me clarify the imaginary world of Scientology success to see it as it is.

 

[Good twin]

Re: The worst single thing about Scientology is "NOTHING"

Tremendous post!!!


This is the kind of post that makes ESMB fabulous. It's fun, it's true, it's insightful, it's clever and helps the likes of me clarify the imaginary world of Scientology success to see it as it is.

I know, right? And she's evolved so quickly. Synthia, of all the exes I know you are by far the exiest. Well put Dear. Well put!

 

[DagwoodGum]

Wow, lots of lips smacking. I almost want to watch it again and count how many times he licks his lips. For someone who is supposed to be highly trained his TR's really sucked ass! Did you notice how his fingernails were digging into the underside of the podium? He was not comfortable at all! Maybe because he knew he was lying like a sack of shit and felt guilty about it.

Yes, anyone who ever did much coke can see exactly the phenomena associated with being entirely wired and jacked up on the stuff. If this doesn't finish off my interest in these people nothing will. What kind of clown would come out in public in this condition and represent any church or organization?

 

[Gadfly]

More on "apparency" and "illusion"

This subject about apparency and illusion is an interesting subject.

From an eastern philosophical view, all IS "an illusion". The "mind" fabricates a world and universe around you that does "not exist" without your own personal active involvement and participation. This view is not restricted only to religion, and various psychologists have come up with similiar notions of how any mind "puts order and meaning" into all-that-is.

I see that Hubbard did what he did so often. He took some basically decent and correct ideas, added to and altered them, and rendered them VERY fucked up! Often he altered ideas to benefit his Scientology organization (like how he confused Korzybski's ideas to come with the "Data Series").

On a subjective level, as I see it, "what is true for you is what you accept as true". That is simply an observation. That is the way it works on a psychological level. That doesn't mean that what you accept as true IS TRUE though. Hubbard never really makes THAT point. He ends with the notion that ALL IS ONLY AGREEMENT. But, that leaves out the FACT that agreement and understandings often are NOT CORRECT and do NOT align with FACTS and OBSERVATIONS. It is interesting how the subject of Scientology neglects that almost entirely. The concept of ARCU entirely omits the fact that a great many agreements and understandings are simply WRONG! Often VERY wrong. Any person need only take a cursory study of sociology, and examine WHAT and HOW various people have "understood things to be in the past", to realize that there is no great importance to "agreement" or "understanding".

Now, that is fine and well for things like who you consider pretty or handsome, what band or music you like (or dislike), what season is your favorite, your favorite food, political opinions, relgious tendencies, and millions of other things. These things truly are ILLUSIONS for each person. They ARE your own "mock ups". And, that is fine.

But this, "what is true for you" turns into real nonsense when it spits in the face of easily observable facts, events, situations and things. Scientology gets so crazy because it allows no demarcation line between the physical and mental. Scientology pushes this to an extreme limit where "what is true" is whatever they can convince you of or get you to agree with. Hubbard pushed the notion to an absurd limit, to where it became okay to paint any reality in alignment with one's goals and purposes, thus resulting in, as one example of a possible many, doctored images of exaggerated event attendance, and so forth.

There IS a truth to this notion of apparency and illusion. It isn't "all a lie". That is what makes Hubbard and Scientology so "tricky", because he mixes real truths with REAL BULLSHIT. And, too many can't separate the two. It seems that he INTENDED it that way. That is my own opinion.

You can agree with and "have be true" whatever you want, but that does not and will not ever change actual historical events and situations. Scientology and Hubbard behave in ways that ignore actual events, situations and actualites. THAT is quite insane.

Hubbard's system doesn't allow for the easy acceptance and tolerance of others having whatever he or she chooses for "what is true for me". Hubbard's manipulative system tries to foist "what is true for you" along the lines of HIS system and paradigm. He seems to figure that "since what is true for any person is largely arbitrary" (it is), that it becomes okay to control and manipulate what these "truths" are. THAT is the big screw up. That is the influence of (black) magic on Hubbard's approach - where anything is fine and even desirable as long as it works towards realizing YOUR personal creation.

I look around and see that many/most people have accepted unfounded ideas in politics, religion, and science, but I don't care! Hubbard and Scientology do CARE! They want you to "accept as true" a great many things in accordance with THEIR model and framework of things.

THAT is the deep flaw. The DESIRE that others "accept as true" just as you or they do. THAT makes it oppressive. And, THAT IS SCIENTOLOGY.

A kind-hearted soul easily accepts the illusions of others. The monsters want you to accept THEIR illusions - or else.

Scientology is all about "getting others to agree with YOUR mock-ups". It is about taking YOUR mock-up (creation, lie, fabrication, illusion) and spreading it out into the environment - expanding control and cause. There is a MAJOR flaw to that viewpoint. An advanced soul actually has no problem accepting the mock-ups of others. He or she can do so easily and readily, without reaction or resistance. The mock-ups of others are not seen or viewed as a "threat". But Scientology doesn't and never will produce an "advanced soul". It creates cookie-cutter L. Ron Hubbards! It creates little versions of "black magicians" who are determined (intend, Tone 40) to "make all others accept and agree with my mock-ups". It is a nasty state of affairs. Truly.

Remember, the old OT VIII ability-gained included that "others would see your mock-ups" (and have NO CHOICE but to do so). It is all an illusion, possibly on EVERY level, but what really matters is HOW one deals with that.

Since it is all "make-believe" (a mock-up, a lie, a fabrication, an illusion), well, MAKE-UP NICE THINGS & PLEASING REALITIES. You ARE a "creator". Create things that are pleasing to others. And, if others aren't interested in your creations, and even if they want to be critical of your creations, well who cares? (hint: Scientology and Hubbard DO CARE)

Hubbard talked some of "insouciance", but he never applied it or lived it. Hubbard and Scientology DO CARE. They WANT you TO AGREE. Or else. You don't think so? Look at any of the great many people who have been expelled, declared and forcefully disconnected for the sole crime of "disagreeing" wih some aspect of Hubbard or Scientology.

Disagreement with Hubbard's illusions is NOT an option in Scientology. And, THAT is a tremendous flaw (outpoint).

 

[Good twin]

Brilliant Gadfly. Absolutely brilliant!!

 

[Challenge]

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Caller: Deposit into our account now and we'll send you the Painless Cyanide Capsule Starter Pack (tm) and instructions on how to get to our offices from the afterlife.​

Lol Challenge if I'd have got that call I'd still be laughing.

I know.
This same poor dude called me again at a different time. It was during the Religious Freedom Crusade. ( SPIT). This guy calls up and he says " You gotta get down to the Courthouse Right Now!" I asked what was going on. He said " We're gonna Sue the Judge!" I asked "What are you sueing the Judge for?
He says " I don't know. I am making these calls because it's what they will let me do. I wanted to get some auditing, but I have some 'psych' history, and all I can do is these phone calls." ( !!!)
I asked him to let me speak with his "Senior" and Heber came on the line.( Another story).
Actually, I have a tape of this call somewhere, as I was screening all my calls and the phone recorder came on automatically.
What a Hoot!
Keystone Cops, indeed.

challenge

 

[guanoloco]

You are already a VIP member of the Church of Hoaxology. The exact nature of your "status" in the COH is determined by you.

Each parishioner decides what OT level they have achieved and the name of that OT level. Well, to be more technically correct the COH has AT levels (Altitude Thetan).

You can change your AT level any time you feel the interest, need or if you notice that someone else has a better AT level than you do.

Personally, I have achieved Altitude Level 75,000,000 which is the highest known level in the history of the universe.

If, for example, you determined that you are AT 75,000,001, then that would make you the coolest person in the universe. But, I would then immediately attest to AT 75,000,002 and you would realize that I am wayyyy better.

We of the Church of Hoaxology offer free CERTIFICATES which you can proudly hang on your wall. Simply go to our website and download the free Certificate Form and fill in whatever you like. Then print it out and put it on your wall to amaze your friends and shatter your enemies.

Oh MAN! I just knewwwww I was so AT!!

Right after I started my car without any keys and left for course 20 minutes late and arrived 10 minutes early and postulated a parking spot in front of the [STRIKE]morgue[/STRIKE] org where there wasn't even a street I opened up my course pack and realized that I was already too AT for the course!

Right then and there I decided that all of my dynamics and I were in alignment and I postulated that I was comped and my space was soooooooo huge! Well, the Sup didn't like what was going on and when routed to ethics I factually went down 3 flights of stairs and realized when I was at the bottom that I hadn't touched a single step!

When the EO began the standard and upstat handling that we all expect I simply whipped out my AT Cert and, walla!, end of cycle!

Thanks so much, HH, for the tech to make planet Teegeeack a complete Hoax, where the natterers can natter more and where Jokers and Degraders have rights!

 

[guanoloco]

Re: The worst single thing about Scientology is "NOTHING"

The worst thing about Scientology to me is, in a word: Apparency

Scientology is the "religion" of apparency as defined only in Scientology's glossary:

apparency: the way someone or something appears to be, where this is different from the way that they actually are.

Scientology is only an apparency. That apparency is solely for PR purposes.

Rules of the Scientology Apparency

1. The end result of anything can simply be created at a moments notice. For example, in Scientology it is unnecessary to go through all the arduous motions of actually producing anything when you can just create it out of thin air (at the very last possible, stress filled moment) like:

- Photoshopping audiences or hiring actors to fill in seats.

- Pushing parishioners to purchase books to catapult LRH's books on to the best seller lists.

- Selling, like some MLM salespeople, huge books and lecture packages that sit in "OT's" basements like unwanted water filters just to "prove" that the world is absolutely clamoring for LRH's works.

- Photo ops with VMs for IAS poster images to enable unscrupulous fear mongers to keep extracting money from people who think they're salvaging planet earth when really they are simply growing a big, fat, "PTS to the Middle Class" couch potato ass and missing out on the rest of real life.

- Demanding that orgs send staff to Flag so that Flag is full of bodies and then taking forever to train them and then not letting them come home when they're done just so Flag is bustling with activity.

- The list is endless because:

NOTHING in Scientology is actually genuine. NOTHING. It's a big illusion (delusion). It's so winding and bending and creepy and hard to wrap your head around because it's supposed to be about TRUTH and it's the exact opposite and you just shake your head

The worst thing about Scientology is that everything it says it is it ISN'T but everything it really IS is actually quite visible BUT no one believes what they see and instead they believe the apparency no matter how strong the evidence to the contrary.

It's a wicked house of mirrors.

Orgs through the eyes of hypnotized Scientologists:

Through the eyes of those who can actually see:

Staff to the true believers:

Staff to the unhypnotized:

Scientology is actually NOTHING. It isn't real at all. It's a LIE. It's an apparency and a very creepy one at that.

Syn! Back to back killer posts!

Image over substance all day long!

Here's one for ya':

Hubbard ditches Polly and their two kids - forcing her to move into his parents' place. He never pays her or them a dime in child support - completely abandoning them while claiming that they abandoned him! (Usually, I would think that when you're abandoned you can't locate those who've abandoned you, right? Well, she's living with the Hubbard-in-laws, no less!)

While this is going on he mooches off his Satanic cult buddy and practices cult orgy sex to create the anti-christ or something real practical like that and then shacks up with his buddy's 20 year old girlfriend and runs off with twenty grand or so of his buddy's money.

All the while Polly and the kids live off the in-laws with no word or support from L. Ron.

Then he marries this cult babe and they have a kid and live it up on his buddy's money and start Dianetics and all that. When Polly learns that he married this other cult babe she divorces Ron. After 5 years of blissful marriage when Ron starts cheating on the cult babe with another 20 year old the cult babe very publicly starts divorce proceedings on Ron. Forcing Ron to kidnap their daughter and run off to Cuba to write Science of Survival or something about unenturbulating theta and free theta and high-toned stuff and ethics and morals and all that.

Then she knuckles under and Ron and her divorce and he never pays her a nickle in child support - many years later when the daughter attempts to establish a relationship with her estranged father he proves just how estranged he is and calls her mother a tramp and a commie spy while denouncing his own child!

While this was going on Ron dumped the 20 year old that got him in the hot seat with the cult babe and went and knocked up another 20 year old and marries her when she's 2 months along and all that. This happy marriage produces 4 kids and ends with the spouse serving federal time for Ron's crime. Sometime during this connubial bliss a nasty rumor surfaces that Ron knocked up some S. African chick out of wedlock!

After all this don't you feel happy that you did lower conditions on this guy's "church"?

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Re: The worst single thing about Scientology is "NOTHING"

Image over substance all day long!

Here's one for ya':

Hubbard ditches Polly and their two kids - forcing her to move into his parents' place. He never pays her or them a dime in child support - completely abandoning them while claiming that they abandoned him! (Usually, I would think that when you're abandoned you can't locate those who've abandoned you, right? Well, she's living with the Hubbard-in-laws, no less!)

While this is going on he mooches off his Satanic cult buddy and practices cult orgy sex to create the anti-christ or something real practical like that and then shacks up with his buddy's 20 year old girlfriend and runs off with twenty grand or so of his buddy's money.

All the while Polly and the kids live off the in-laws with no word or support from L. Ron.

Then he marries this cult babe and they have a kid and live it up on his buddy's money and start Dianetics and all that. When Polly learns that he married this other cult babe she divorces Ron. After 5 years of blissful marriage when Ron starts cheating on the cult babe with another 20 year old the cult babe very publicly starts divorce proceedings on Ron. Forcing Ron to kidnap their daughter and run off to Cuba to write Science of Survival or something about unenturbulating theta and free theta and high-toned stuff and ethics and morals and all that.

Then she knuckles under and Ron and her divorce and he never pays her a nickle in child support - many years later when the daughter attempts to establish a relationship with her estranged father he proves just how estranged he is and calls her mother a tramp and a commie spy while denouncing his own child!

While this was going on Ron dumped the 20 year old that got him in the hot seat with the cult babe and went and knocked up another 20 year old and marries her when she's 2 months along and all that. This happy marriage produces 4 kids and ends with the spouse serving federal time for Ron's crime. Sometime during this connubial bliss a nasty rumor surfaces that Ron knocked up some S. African chick out of wedlock!

After all this don't you feel happy that you did lower conditions on this guy's "church"?

RON HUBBARD
Did you complete your lower conditions
so that you can petition to be invited
to do your OT levels?

SCIENTOLOGIST
Well...ummm, what about your
lower conditions Ron? You committed
so many felonies and stole so much
money from the church. And you defrauded
billions from Scientologists for fake OT levels.

RON HUBBARD
What's your point?

SCIENTOLOGIST
Well, I'd like to tell you my point, but
I am afraid you will fair game me and
destroy my life, if not murder me.

RON HUBBARD
You can trust me. I am your best friend.

SCIENTOLOGIST
Really? You won't get mad and junk
if I tell you what I really think about you?

RON HUBBARD
Oh my gosh no! You should feel safe
to tell me anything. I am your auditor
after all and bound by a strict code
of ethics.

SCIENTOLOGIST
Oh! Yeah, you make a good point there.
Well....it's just that I think you need to
do lower conditions for all the suppressive
and criminal things you have done for decades.

RON HUBBARD
Thank you for telling me that.

SCIENTOLOGIST
Wow! You really are a safe terminal!
OMG! I am so relieved!! What a win!!!

RON HUBBARD
Think nothing of it. But I would appreciate it if
you could do me one small favor.

SCIENTOLOGIST
Anything Ron, whatever I can do.

RON HUBBARD
Well, a Success Story would be so lovely.
Then we can share your wins with others.

SCIENTOLOGIST
Certainly, sir! I will get it done for you
right now!

RON HUBBARD
You are a big being and I so greatly appreciate
all that you done to help make this planet safe. Your
Success Story will make it even safer. Be sure to
do it on your personal stationery and could you include an
extra sheet of your stationery just in case our typist needs
to make any corrections.

SCIENTOLOGIST
An extra piece of my stationery?

RON HUBBARD
Yes, it's standard policy, and so forth.
To make sure we duplicate your wins.

SCIENTOLOGIST
Sure Ron, thanks for caring so much about
my wins. You are truly mankind's greatest friend!​

 

[EternalBliss]

I think it has taken me some good number of years to finally decide what is the worst single thing about Scientology.

Various answers to that question came in drips & drabs over the decades. The cost of the Bridge.. The disconnection. The criminality. The threats. The lies. The religious cloaking. The donations. The Fair Game. The cult worship of Hubbard. The list is endless.

But I have finally settled on one answer as the "ultimate answer" (for today anyways LOL).

ALTITUDE​

The assumption of altitude, to be more exact.

How did I arrive at that. Well, it happened a few minutes ago when I saw a cool thread called something like: "What was the straw that broke the camel's back?" A provocative question that has been asked and answered many times. So, I decided to take a fresh look at it today and came up with this:

As an earth man, I did not like being corrected by advanced cosmic beings
who turned out to really be earth men trying to act all OT and junk.​

Sounds kind of silly, but it started me thinking (again) about the ASSUMPTION OF ALTITUDE by Scientologists over other Scientologists and wogs.

It all began with Mankind's Greatest Altitude, L Ron Hubbard himself. He greedily assumed near-infinite and supernatural quantities of altitude over others. Read his "Admissions". Or simply read his public relations about himself....talk about altitude!! My God! (figuratively and literally too!)

I am Mankind's Greatest Friend​

I am not from this planet.​

I am the only one that ever made it thru the Wall of Fire​

I am the only one that has the technology to free you.​

I am the savior of all mankind​

I am the only being able to salvage all beings in this universe.​

I am the only one that rose above the bank.​

I am Source.​

I am the only person who can create or change the technology.​

I am the only one who created a bridge to total freedom.​

I know what is wrong with you and I know how to fix it. ​

I am the only person that can save you from ruin.​

I am total cause.​

I am the only person who can safeguard your eternity.​

I am your senior and posted higher than you on the command channel. ​

I run you because I have command intention. ​

Now, Scientologists like to play mini-messiahs also, just like major-mettreya-messiah Ron.

They ASSUME altitude over one another in order to handle and correct each other.

They ASSUME altitude in order to reg each other.

They ASSUME altitude in order to control each other.

They ASSUME altitude in order to enslave each other.

And it is the assumption of altitude that leads them directly into committing human rights atrocities and criminal acts like Fair Game. What do you think the people who tried to destroy Paulette Cooper thought about her? She was a lower life form to be falsely imprisoned (like one might cage an animal) and driven insane and pushed to suicide.

Who could perform such sociopathic viciousness without assuming oneself to be superior.

In looking at this today, I also realized that the entire hoax of Scientology is constructed around another false assumption of altitude. What is "CLEAR" and "OT" but an assumption of altitude that does not in fact exist.

For me, the entire puzzle of Scientology unravels on recognition that the hoax requires the participants to permit and even enjoy these altitude assumptions by others and self.

Without altitude, everyone in Scientology is just a plain old ordinary human being. And...

Nobody pays money to become something they already are.

WOW! How amazing and well said! Thank you for sharing this HH!

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

----snipped for brevity---

Disagreement with Hubbard's illusions is NOT an option in Scientology. And, THAT is a tremendous flaw (outpoint).

It's theta! It's reality! It's the ARC triangle!

Wait a minute, why is that triangle upside down?

RON
What is true for you is true.
What is real for you is real.

HUMAN
What is true for me is that you are a liar.
What is real for me is that you are not a real OT.

RON
I can grant total beingness to you.

HUMAN
You can? Really?

RON
Yes. Totally. But you still need to pay me a
half-million dollars because you are a
degraded, psychotic & evil being
that needs handling and you
will suffer for eternity if
you keep on trying
to disagree
with
me​