Theetie-wheetie

[xseaorguk]

theetie weetie etc

developing your 'own specialist language' is, as far as remember, one of the typical signs of a cult.
After 1 year in the Sea Org I was hardly able to communicate outside in the 'Wog' world.
God knows how bad it must get after 5 or 10 or more years.
Theetie Weetie was used as far as I remember to invalidate somebody (usually public) for being to soft or nice.

From my observation the more 'trained' and 'audited' you were the colder and more harsh you became.
I was lucky to have some really nice auditors.
It was only low level stuff, lots of confessional auditing.
They were however public people, not staff.

What Lady Penelope (Carmen) said I also found to be true.
This very abbreviated and specialst language was used non-stop, but used also to itimidate and impress others.

So, stop dev-t -ing me, cut the H, E and R, write up your O/W's or your pull in something real bad

 

[Panda Termint]

I'm trying to understand what you are saying. If you chose not to clarify what your meaning is - then there is no real discussion between us. That's ok.
<...snip>

LH, If you truly wish to understand what I'm saying then you need to read my posts as they occur on the thread and relative to the preceding posts which I'm either answering or commenting on.

The only thing I've said that is even vaguely obscure is the "sweetie wheeties" gag which always went down well with the Sandcastle/Lemon Tree crew at breakfast time.

The ability to joke about these things is actually not a crime but feel free to KR me if you so desire.

I'm sorry but I just can't take a discussion about the term "theety-wheety" seriously, I have other things on my mind.

As I've told you before, I wish you well and, despite any and all invitations to the contrary, I refuse to be your enemy. Pax vobiscum.

 

[Free to shine]

In my experience "theetie weetie" was certainly a derogatory term. Usually with the F word in front of it. It was right up there along with "DB shit" ..."PTS to the middle class" and plain old "moron". It inferred somebody with a Pollyanna Complex, someone who had blinkers on who would only look at the good in the world without seeing the dire situation the planet was in and therefore violating KSW as Zinj said.

The thing about the labels that scientology so easily assigns is that it most often was done arbitrarily, on the whim of an individual, for whatever reason that individual felt at the time. Then, especially if person labelling had 'status', the label is quickly adopted by the group, without examination. This is such a common occurrence that I cringe when I think back, especially to when I was recruiting for the GO. The labels and pigeon-holing of people was so rampant that it was only the people who did the labelling that apparently deserved to breathe!

To describe someone as "theetie weetie" is arrogant and typical of the scientology jargon that blinds one to personal analysis and awareness.

Human Again - By using ALL your skills, you are doing exactly the best thing. Empathy, awareness of individual circumstances and optimism are not the bad things scientology would have us believe.

 

[Free to shine]

The Armadillo playbook suggests that you start a thread asking a question (for which you already have a decided-upon answer) and allow people to give their opinions just so you can assert that already decided-upon answer. (See the Dummies Guide To ESMB)

Well maybe I haven't had enough coffee, but I don't see how this applies to this thread either. Discussion is not about having a "decided upon answer", it's to help people examine issues, such as using labels, from a different viewpoint, that's all. And as Human Again posted, it is very relevant to ex scientologists.

I can see how your comment may apply to armadillo inspired threads though, just not this one.

 

[Moonchild]

From Execs, seniors or opinion leaders saying stuff like this:

-"well, I'm not surprised he pulled that in"

-"he's obviously got overts"

- "man, is she pts"

- "he's theetie weetie, drop the cycle, you won't get anywhere"

- "what a fucking ser fac"

- "make it go right"

- "pts to the middle class for sure"

- "what a 1.1 cunt"

- stop nattering"

-"don't backflash"

- "what an engram" etc, etc, etc.

All this sort of stuff - spoken with such certainty; and pushed down one's throats; time and time again; given particular or certain circumstances where and when it's said - does give staff and public a concept of what these terms mean. From my experience, these terms were bandied about in reference to different circumstances, on a constant basis - and were mostly mis-used.

When an individual hasn't studied the stuff themselves, they get a concept on all this, in this way, and start parrotting it off with the same certainty as the ones they heard it from. How many admin staff or public who have never trained, mouth off shit like "don't ser fac on me" or "time to write 'em up".

These guys wouldn't have a bloody clue about the tech on the subject, yet they parrot off this crap like 'masters' who know what they are talking about. It was like a cancer in our orgs.

Yep, you nailed it.

 

[Panda Termint]

Well maybe I haven't had enough coffee, but I don't see how this applies to this thread either. Discussion is not about having a "decided upon answer", it's to help people examine issues, such as using labels, from a different viewpoint, that's all. And as Human Again posted, it is very relevant to ex scientologists.

I can see how your comment may apply to armadillo inspired threads though, just not this one.

Well, that's closer. I answered with my own invented definition when someone asked me to explain about the Armadillo playbook. It was intentended as humour and actually got a laugh or two.

Now examine what I actually said about this thread;

Interesting thread, reads like something straight out of the Armadillo playbook.

"Reads like" refers to the whole thread and is not the same concept as "is".

I can see how taking my comments/answers, as quoted by LH, can paint it as something it isn't but I never take myself that seriously (and neither does anyone who knows me!).

There is only one Armadillo and he obviously has exclusive rights to the Armadillo Playbook.

My experience with message-boards leads me to believe that interpretation of others' intentions goes with the territory, it's nothing personal. Discussion usually includes the questioning of beliefs and "decided-upons".

Discuss on, I say.

 

[Human Again]

From Execs, seniors or opinion leaders saying stuff like this:

-"well, I'm not surprised he pulled that in"

-"he's obviously got overts"

- "man, is she pts"

- "he's theetie weetie, drop the cycle, you won't get anywhere"

- "what a fucking ser fac"

- "make it go right"

- "pts to the middle class for sure"

- "what a 1.1 cunt"

- stop nattering"

-"don't backflash"

- "what an engram" etc, etc, etc.

All this sort of stuff - spoken with such certainty; and pushed down one's throats; time and time again; given particular or certain circumstances where and when it's said - does give staff and public a concept of what these terms mean. From my experience, these terms were bandied about in reference to different circumstances, on a constant basis - and were mostly mis-used.

When an individual hasn't studied the stuff themselves, they get a concept on all this, in this way, and start parrotting it off with the same certainty as the ones they heard it from. How many admin staff or public who have never trained, mouth off shit like "don't ser fac on me" or "time to write 'em up".

These guys wouldn't have a bloody clue about the tech on the subject, yet they parrot off this crap like 'masters' who know what they are talking about. It was like a cancer in our orgs.

I am very with you on this one Carmel. On PTS/SP tech for example, I was in a constant state of "Did these people read the same HCObs I read?" when their attitudes and conersation gave me insights into how they thought.
Some with the info in the basic books (gagging as I use the words).

Strangely enough if I applied "Scientology" as I read it, I would find myself quite compassionate (Tone scale) , comfortable with other viewpoints (What is true for you is true for you), respectful (recognition of the rightness of a being) etc. It was concepts like "unreasonable", and the idea that just because you didn't see evil didn't mean it wasn't there. Never ever giving the benefit of the doubt, and the overriding demand for instant 100% certainty without actual thinking processes being engaged that flooded the orgs and still does today.

Don't get me wrong, I still think the materials are an evil brew create for the sole purpose of making all men Hubbard's slaves so he didn't have to rely on a penny a word for writing pulp fiction. But the ocean of "correct attitudes" and the passing on of misconceptions definately acted like cancer, killing off good staff and creating that awful stink of corruption.


RE: Airyfairy - theetie wheetie - Hubbard definately did not want anyone becoming interested in metaphysics or alternative practice. Why, we'd want to spend out money elsewhere if we did! and so his attitude that they were all WRONG has infected me for so long and with such depth that I still have an issue with admiting my own spiritual beliefs and find myself always hiding int he "practical" and "professional" and "strategic". Lionheart, maybe it's time for you to weigh in with what you think. I've been checking the thread often and will keep doing so.

 

[lionheart]

LH, If you truly wish to understand what I'm saying then you need to read my posts as they occur on the thread and relative to the preceding posts which I'm either answering or commenting on.

The only thing I've said that is even vaguely obscure is the "sweetie wheeties" gag which always went down well with the Sandcastle/Lemon Tree crew at breakfast time.

The ability to joke about these things is actually not a crime but feel free to KR me if you so desire.

I'm sorry but I just can't take a discussion about the term "theety-wheety" seriously, I have other things on my mind.

As I've told you before, I wish you well and, despite any and all invitations to the contrary, I refuse to be your enemy. Pax vobiscum.

Well true, but it is impractical when trying to open discussion with a poster to quote all the thread! So some taking out of context is inevitable, but that can always be cleared up with further discussion of ideas being communicated.

I got your sweetie wheetie joke and thought it was quite funny. I simply quoted all that you had said on this thread to try to clarify the totality of what you were saying about the thread. I don't know where your words "crime" and KR are coming from - did I imply jokes were not welcome? Sorry if I gave you that impression.

Of course it's fine if you don't want to take the subject seriously. As you can see from this thread, some people are apparently getting something out of discussing the idea. If the thread is not for you or your attention is elsewhere, that is absolutely fine. But you have posted several times on the thread. :confused2: So I am a little confused because you do seem to have had some attention on the thread. :confused2:

I don't understand your last sentence. I'm not aware of any previous disagreements with you or "enemy" games between us. I mainly remember your good input about things GO and OSA and have always appreciated your thoughts and experiences.

Do we have a history of disagreements on ESMB? I can't remember any.

Anyway, thanks for clarifying things a little.

So back to the subject of the thread ....

 

[Rmack]

Theety-Wheety simply means,

Not completely bought in to the entire believe system yet.

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

http://carolineletkeman.org/sp/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1093&Itemid=165

Paul

Thank's Paul

THEETIE-WEETIE, 1. Slang. it’s from England, means "sweetness and light" (but they can’t face mest or any outness). Cannot go deeper into the bank than a thought. (LRH Def Notes) 2 . a person with a terribly high OCA who is absolutely for the birds. The Chart of Human Evaluation will tell you the truth. (7203C30)

- L. Ron Hubbard
Dianetics and Scientology Technical Dictionary

THEETIE-WEETIE CASE, 1. he operates in a totally psychotic way while being totally serene. The valence is all the way up at tone 40 and the pc is all the way down at minus eight. (SH Spec 2, 6105C12) 2 . a "sweetness and light" case at the extreme top of the graph who will go to graph bottom before the case starts up again as though the profile were a cylinder which when it goes off the top, then appears on the bottom when people are in "serene" valences (meaning they are wholly overwhelmed as a thetan). (HCOB 5 Jun 61) 3 . is high on the OCA/APA yet makes no progress. This is because such case6 believe you ought to know what they are thinking about, so every moment around them you are missing withholds. (BTB 12 Jul 62)

- L. Ron Hubbard
Dianetics and Scientology Technical Dictionary

So that's a rather devastating 'diagnosis' bandied about with wild abandon by the 'authorities of the human mind'..

I note that this definition is also a 'handling' for those who are uptone and produce a high OCA.. Hubbard tells us they're even more 'banky' than those with low OCA's and quite despicable!

Hrmmpf!

 

[lionheart]

<snip>

RE: Airyfairy - theetie wheetie - Hubbard definately did not want anyone becoming interested in metaphysics or alternative practice. Why, we'd want to spend out money elsewhere if we did! and so his attitude that they were all WRONG has infected me for so long and with such depth that I still have an issue with admiting my own spiritual beliefs and find myself always hiding int he "practical" and "professional" and "strategic". Lionheart, maybe it's time for you to weigh in with what you think. I've been checking the thread often and will keep doing so.

I wanted others to offer their wisdom to this problem. Thanks to FreeToShine for your input! I hope others chip in in response to my account of my experience.

Like I said, before Scn I had tended towards the mystical experience of Christianity. Then I bought into the hippie attitudes of the sixties.

Once I got into Scn, both these tendencies were suppressed because Ron taught me that they were feeble, showed a lack of confront, blah, blah blah. Now I see that Ron was simply implanting my inner world with his definition of life and his perception of evil. They were not my ideas of how life was for me.

But like the rest of us, Ron offered me some solutions to problems in my life, so I bought into the whole caboodle, including his concept of theetie-wheetie. Although I can still remember some vague discomfort when I used the label on people.

So I became the tough "tiger" that Ron wanted me to be and suppressed my mystical tendencies. They would pop up every now and then in my auditing and I remember having some "theetie-wheetie" cognitions that were perhaps a little unusual for the average scientologist.

Then Ron made the mistake of writing The Way To Happiness booklet! I know he wrote it as a PR exercise to counter the exposure of the GO's Operation Snowhite, just as he had written "What is Greatness" to counter his fair game policy.

Nevertheless, his PR booklet on happiness contained some dynamite ideas that would chip away at his KSW "tigers". "Theetie-wheetie" ideas like respecting others religious beliefs, not doing to others what one wouldn't want to have happen to self, treating people with consideration, compassion, etc.

It wouldn't have had any great effect and would have just been pulled out like "What is Greatness" every now and then to show what a humanitarian and friend of mankind Ron was.

Except the evil SP David Mayo took up what the book said as a real, genuine statement of scientology's position. He was known for often reading "What is Greatness" to himself whenever things got tough for him on his post as Ron's right-hand tech man.

So he committed the Suppressive Act of creating the Happiness Rundown specifically designed to allow people to follow "theetie-wheetie" modes of behaviour, based upon Ron's precepts in the booklet.

Because of his unchallenged position as the senior tech person, his Rundown was trialled and developed and implimented throughout the CofS. It was trumpeted as the greatest Scn action ever developed and "tigers" like me were routed on to the new training course.

At last! It was ok to have my earlier attitudes from before Scn. And we co-audited the rundown. Even worse for Ron, we audited out all the false Scn concepts that had been overlaid on our basic spiritual and ethical natures that Ron had worked so hard to suppress in us!

At last it was ok to be "theetie-wheetie" again and see the basic goodness in the world. Because of the nature of Mayo's tech, I no longer carried Hubbard's vision of the world and the evil inherent in it!

It's another story really, but this had an effect at the group level and resulted in the schism of 82 where the "tigers" (RTC) threw out almost all HRD auditors and PCs and the dedicated stare Hubbardites took over the CofS. This was an inevitable consequence of the Rundown.

But on the personal level I had stronger than ever theetie-wheetie ideas about the world and it turned out to be a much more powerful thing than Hubbard's tiger had ever been.

At the centre of me there was a strength I had never known, based upon love and compassion and joy of the miracle of life!

The CofS declared me a Suprressive Person and although a painful thing to go through, David Mayo had actually sprung me free from the cold, heartless dead thing that was the scientology personality.

I then studied metaphysics, spiritual schools and other releasing type techniques.

Gosh! I'm not sure any of this is any help to you, Human Again! :confused2:

I suppose what I am saying is first step is don't deny the so-called "theetie-wheetie" aspects of your self. Don't use the put-down scn term or any derogatory alternative like "airy-fairy" either. If we use a derogatory term, then that is a supression or resistence to the things that might be the very core of us!

So I would suggest thinking about these sides of your self in a positive way. Maybe coin a positive descriptive word for them.

If you deny these aspects of yourself to yourself, then you will certainly be reluctant to talk to others and your clients about them.

So I would love, admire and allow whatever your attributes are. The truly spiritual is so suppressed and controlled by Scn that it takes a positive change in our attitude to undo this conditioning.

I hope that helps and that others can help you too. If you want I can give the steps used in Mayo's techniques. These days, I wouldn't recommend any sort of auditing based upon Hubbard tech, but the basic steps could probably be used as points of contemplation towards a freeing up of one's spiritual, noble nature.

 

[lionheart]

Thank's Paul

So that's a rather devastating 'diagnosis' bandied about with wild abandon by the 'authorities of the human mind'..

I note that this definition is also a 'handling' for those who are uptone and produce a high OCA.. Hubbard tells us they're even more 'banky' than those with low OCA's and quite despicable!

Hrmmpf!

Oh no! I've just noticed that I've even been spelling the word wrongly all throught this thread! It's a complete retread and the bottom of the grade chart for me!

 

[Carmel]

Oh no! I've just noticed that I've even been spelling the word wrongly all throught this thread! It's a complete retread and the bottom of the grade chart for me!

I thought ya did it on purpose Lionheart - and that's what I thought Panda's joke was about. I was confused after that, but now I'm not.

Yep, but retrain rather than retread I reckon.

 

[lionheart]

I thought ya did it on purpose Lionheart - and that's what I thought Panda's joke was about. I was confused after that, but now I'm not.

Yep, but retrain rather than retread I reckon.

Well it would have to be both.

A retrain because I've failed to accurately remember the spelling after thirty years!

And a retread, because being theetie-weetie, I clearly never made it up the grade chart and have to have my "case" cracked so that my "case" is along the bottom, where it should be!

 

[Alan]

It's another story really, but this had an effect at the group level and resulted in the schism of 82 where the "tigers" (RTC) threw out almost all HRD auditors and PCs and the dedicated stare Hubbardites took over the CofS. This was an inevitable consequence of the Rundown.

The HRD auditors were tolerated until the very least until late 83 -84 then the tech became suspect.

83 saw a mass exodus from the CofS - a lot of HRD auditors left during that period.

It took DM a while to get his enablers to work for him!

I hope that helps and that others can help you too. If you want I can give the steps used in Mayo's techniques. These days, I wouldn't recommend any sort of auditing based upon Hubbard tech, but the basic steps could probably be used as points of contemplation towards a freeing up of one's spiritual, noble nature.

Expand you reach Lionheart

 

[Tiger Lily]

So I would love, admire and allow whatever your attributes are. The truly spiritual is so suppressed and controlled by Scn that it takes a positive change in our attitude to undo this conditioning.

This was a great post lionheart . . . it aligned a lot for me. Scn suppresses the spiritual while telling you how spiritual you are becoming. . . that's one I hadn't thought of yet, but it sure does explain a lot of the confusion I've been feeling.


Thanks,
-TL

 

[lionheart]

This was a great post lionheart . . . it aligned a lot for me. Scn suppresses the spiritual while telling you how spiritual you are becoming. . . that's one I hadn't thought of yet, but it sure does explain a lot of the confusion I've been feeling.


Thanks,
-TL

 

[lionheart]

The HRD auditors were tolerated until the very least until late 83 -84 then the tech became suspect.

83 saw a mass exodus from the CofS - a lot of HRD auditors left during that period.

It took DM a while to get his enablers to work for him!



Expand you reach Lionheart

Well I wasn't tolerated beyond '82, thankfully! As far as I remember, the HRD C/S and many other HRD people were declared or left in '82 too. Of course the effect rumbled on through for a few years.

I was glad to be thrown out as early as 82. After the HRD, being an exec and auditor/C/S on staff was a sort of spiritual agony of painful compromise. We used to often run out Scn execs on the HRD!

As regards suggesting any Hubbard-type auditing style, as regards ex-scns, I personally wouldn't throw them into anything approaching the Hubbard auditing implant.

But thanks for the invitation to expand my reach.

 

[RogerB]

A False Label

Hi Lionheart, Hi ya'll,

This question you have raised is the current bain of my life.
First I better answer your query. Yes He was being insulted within the culture of Scn. It was implied that he was not seeing reality (the one they stick someone's nose in with an SRA) as the antagonist desired him to see. The antagonist was invalidating your friend's viewpoint and sying it was not as worthy as his own. [What a crock!].

Now, as to why this post is so significant for me.

In my real life I am a seminar presenter and a consultant. My mix of skills and methods is very wide and although the momoent I am consulting or speaking I am congruent, in my marketing of my identity I have enormous difficulty marrying up the two sides.

My method includes using corporate type strategy and project planning with the support of the "soft" or what in my mind is "airy-fairy" [my version of theetie-wheetie] understandings I have gained.

But I am always the littlest bit embarrassed to admit my airy-fairy side. Deep inside I fear that it is invalid and "overly optimistic" and has no business being in my toolbox.

I've gushed, I know, but this is something that has been tripping me up for a couple of years now and... well, it seems every time I bring up a big black greebly icky yuk on this board, somehow it get's aired and the
cobwebs fly off and the indescision fades away.

So, WO, Lionheart, others, especially you who are management consultants and accountants and scientists and have hard nosed professional lives, what are your thoughts?

HA,

The definitions referenced by Paul are good, but there is earlier usage of it, and the spelling is also different Theetie-Tweetie, (this spelling used during the Melbourne Inquiry (1963-65) and theety-tweety.

In the context it was originally used by Hubbard in tapes, it was used to deprecatingly convey that the person or case type was delusional.

Of course this was long before we had the tech dictionaries, and the jargon was taken up and spread down the developing org lines over the years on a verbal basis, just like any cultural or cult slang does, to mean that the person or case being referred to is delusional or unreal.

Of course it is an insult.

Neither the advent of the tech dictionary, nor the "banning" of verbal tech, changed the assumed and passed on concept of that original reference and meaning.

By about 1980, it had become to mean (in addition to the foregoing) that the targeted son-of-a-bitch had his own reality and wouldn't do what the SO or other dominating staff members wanted the person to do. Like, he had a mind of his own!!! For Chrissakes! He has a mind of his OWN! Definitely Theetie-Tweetie!

Fact is, it is a bullshit label and used by inept staff (and others) when they aren't literate enough on the subject to do an optimum and correct tech handling. (I could give examples, but don't want to make this too long)

Bottom line, nobody should accept this label. To do so is to accept a wrong indication/wrong what. And that is a good way to get screwed up. (See Introspection R/D and wrong indications tech for why) Basically it causes you to begin questioning yourself and your personal truths of existence, and also to engage in trying to solve an incorrectly designated problem.

Please don't label any of your personal powers, awareness, abilities, or truths as being theetie-tweetie, or even "airy-fairy" and "sweetness and light." To do such would be to engage in self invalidation and actually would be the action of violating the integrity of you. It will sure as hell cut your reach and power of presence.

These aspects of your awareness and powers you consider to be often less than real to others, might just be the greatest gift you can convey to them . . . communicate it with honor, gently, kindly, and gradiently; but with honor and truth.

It is the only way to be whole.

Roger

 

[EP - Ethics Particle]

Said better than I might have done...

HA,

...snip

Please don't label any of your personal powers, awareness, abilities, or truths as being theetie-tweetie, or even "airy-fairy" and "sweetness and light." To do such would be to engage in self invalidation and actually would be the action of violating the integrity of you. It will sure as hell cut your reach and power of presence.

These aspects of your awareness and powers you consider to be often less than real to others, might just be the greatest gift you can convey to them . . . communicate it with honor, gently, kindly, and gradiently; but with honor and truth.

It is the only way to be whole.

Roger

Wonderful post, Roger - every bit of it! I was attempting an answer to HA, but chanced to take a look here and see yours; so for HA, the remaing lines are just what I would say to you.

EP