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Thetan as an Energy Source? Or Not?

Discussion in 'Scientology Technology' started by Dulloldfart, Jun 16, 2007.

  1. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    From three archived posts of mine (2004), to see if anyone here has any useful comments:

    1. Tom Bearden is a very respected guy in the free energy field. Free
    energy is all about extracting virtually limitless energy from the
    "seething vacuum". Establishment science says he's crazy.

    In his writings, he continually makes the point that any dipole
    automatically extracts energy from the vacuum and puts it out into the
    physical universe.

    LRH continually makes the point that a thetan creates energy by forming
    a dipole (plus and minus; dichotomy; differences of potential; GPMs

    If Bearden is correct, then the mere fact of the dipole existing, while
    being put there by a thetan, would allow energy to come into the
    universe from the seething vacuum, rather than the energy being created
    by the thetan. It would be as if a firefly brushed a curtain aside to
    let light into a room, rather than becoming luminescent and providing
    the light itself.

    I'm not particularly pushing this viewpoint, just tossing it out there
    if anyone else has had problems with the idea that a thetan actually
    creates tangible mest-universe energy out of nothing.

    2. I was recently getting some auditing from Robert D., and had deleted as
    much charge as I could from a basic-basic whole-track incident.

    I suddenly remembered this little bit of theory, a different way of
    looking at things. I tried looking at that incident from the viewpoint
    of me as a thetan in that incident creating dipoles--i.e. differences
    of potential, not necessarily dichotomies as such--which allowed energy
    to come in from the seething vacuum.

    I got a lot more "charge" off the incident. It also made sense to me
    how one could "get charge off" a time period before one was "supposed"
    to have the ability to create charge. Sorry about all the quote marks.

    Subsequently, I have found it a useful way to look at things
    differently and get more charge off any other incident.

    3. XXXX wrote:
    > Paul, you might want to give us some mass to go along with the
    > significance. Can you give us an example as an illustration of exactly
    > what you do and how you do it?

    I can give you some more significance, XXXX. You might find it
    beneficial to sketch out on paper or make in clay what is happening; or
    try looking in your own mind. Read the LRH theory on how he says a
    thetan generates energy. He covers it a lot in the book Scn 8-80. To
    quote from the second 1963 HCOB on Time Track and Engram Running By
    Chains, "...charge, an impulse to withdraw from that which can't be
    withdrawn from or to approach that which can't be approached, and this,
    like a two-pole battery, generates current. This constantly generated
    current is chronic charge." There's more in the HCOB, but I can't copy
    it all out.

    All I was doing as a pc was looking at how I was holding in place a
    pair of dipoles, basically just items that are different to each other.
    "He's a straight Scnist and I'm an RO person" is a difference. If there
    is something aberrative about the way one has that as a consideration,
    the mere fact of holding the two different ideas at once--according to
    my new, tentative way of thinking, anyway--allows the constant flow of
    3-dimensional electro-magnetic energy to come out of the seething
    vacuum into 3-space. Changing the consideration to remove any
    aberration from it removes its ability to act as a portal, to allow the
    constant flow of current while one's attention is on it.

    A button works in the same way, in my current estimation. If something
    is occurring and you are protesting it--say someone is criticizing a
    painting you are doing--you are simultaneously holding two different
    viewpoints on something. One is how things are; the other is how you
    desire them to be. The more protest, the greater the difference, the
    greater the potential difference and the greater the current flow that
    occurs while your attention is on it and you are creating that dipole.

    To my current way of thinking, all the thetan is doing is creating the
    dipoles. The energy does not come directly from the thetan, but is just
    being released by the thetan from the seething vacuum.

    While I am being heretical, I might as well mention a bit more.

    I was running basic-basic, a separation from static incident. At the
    very first moment of separation, from my viewpoint, the very first
    moment of individual beingness, before I had put out any anchor points,
    there was charge coming off the incident. I had trouble itsa-ing what
    was happening as how could there be charge there at that point in
    "time". "Time" wasn't supposed to be there either as it didn't start
    till way later on, per the Factors.

    Then I remembered my Bearden seething vacuum theory and I wasn't
    nullifying my perceptions of the incident any more by trying to fit it
    into a standard Scn In-The-Beginning type of paradigm, and only then
    was I able to get lots of charge off (yawns, tears etc.) The charge was
    just a flow from the vacuum occasioned by my holding the dipoles apart
    and when I stopped holding the dipoles apart, the "charge" ceased.

    If you "become one" with something, permeate it or whatever, there is
    no longer a difference and no longer any charge. Of course, if you do
    this to extremes there is no game either! I don't have this all worked
    out yet, and I am not asserting that this is the way it is and other
    viewpoints are wrong, but it has helped me a lot in my own auditing.

  2. RolandRB

    RolandRB Rest in Peace

    It's easy -- Dulloldfart. What you should do is to mock up mass while sitting on a lever. The lever will go down because you are heavier. Then you should get your auditor to help you as-is the mass, in which case the lever will go up because you are lighter. And with this lever being attached to an energy creating device like a dynamo then this process of auditing wil result in your thetan creating energy.

    After that, feel free to bark like a dog if you feel like it.
  3. Tanstaafl

    Tanstaafl Crusader

    Sorry I can't usefully input on this Paul - the science is a little over my head.

    LRH stressed that "science" overlooks the importance of the base in keeping the terminals apart. What is the thetan using to keep the poles apart? Just a postulate?

    I monkeyed around with this idea a few years ago; mocking-up two poles with differing potential. I would get strong discharges of blue energy which I could "aim" with varying degrees of success. I could also feel the tension of keeping the poles apart which made me think I was mocking them up within my own energy field.

    It reminds of the body-lifting drills in the PDC. You put out a beam but what was it's precise origin point? I looked at this and had one of those "here comes a monster cognition that you really ought to back off from!" moments.

    Supposedly if one runs SCS on a body long enough one can operate the body via postulate only - no beams. I think the thetan is only comfortable operating on a postulate level with his own energy and mest. If he can mock-up the terminals of differing potential then why not just mock-up the energy with no via?

    Sorry, I realise I've just asked more questions and rambled a bit! :)


  4. marty

    marty Patron with Honors


    I once did an in depth study of the various "free energy" devices but the only one that really interested me as possibly credible was Henry Morays device. pics.htm

    It would seem from the many witness reports that he did achieve something.
    Whatever it was though he took it with him when he died.
  5. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    Hi marty,

    Yes, lots of interesting things to discuss re free energy devices. If anyone wants to do so, please start a different thread though!

  6. The Oracle

    The Oracle Gold Meritorious Patron


    I think it is evident theta is an energy source just by waking up.

    Obviously there are some people on this list that do not do seven loads of laundry a day, cook three meals, wash the dishes, push the vacume, water the yard, etc etc.

    But for anyone in mystery about this, go outside and find a pebble. Push it with your finger. Notice that it moves.

    It has recently occurred to me this planet is a place for harvesting energy for other planets.

    When you get a thetan down to being an electron you have finally put him to good use for the "rest of the group".

    And they had the nerve to declare us enemies! :innocent:
  7. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Silver Meritorious Sponsor

    ? Who?

    I spent 20 years as a single *working* father and think I know about the 'energy' necessary to do so.

    It had nothing to do with Scientology (which, at the time, was trying to make it harder; ksw you know) or finding magical 'OT Powerz'.

    I just did it. And enjoyed it. And enjoy the results.

    Who are 'you' and who's declared you 'enemies' (except of course for 'Ron's Church')

    Really TI; sometimes you're just *so* full of yourself :)

  8. The Oracle

    The Oracle Gold Meritorious Patron

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  9. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

  10. programmer_guy

    programmer_guy True Ex-Scientologist

    The body is a carbon-oxygen engine, so to speak.
    The energy we get to just wake up from sleep is from the calories in what we eat... not by what we "postulate".

    If we don't eat then, ultimately, we won't wake up in the morning. We will die. Or, I guess we could say that our bodies die. There is no way out of this and no amount of "postulates" or "intent" will change this.

    BTW, I am not trying to be mean. I am just entering into this conversation. I hope you don't mind.
  11. Zinjifar

    Zinjifar Silver Meritorious Sponsor

    My apologies to all.

    I really should be gentler with the superhuman products of 'Ron's Tech'.

    When they're dismissive of and hostile to garden variety humanoids, I should recognize that it's a 'spiritual' thing, requiring adequate respect for their infirmity.

  12. The Oracle

    The Oracle Gold Meritorious Patron

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  13. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    I know TI well. I was witness to a time she offered the shirt of her back to an enemy.
  14. The Oracle

    The Oracle Gold Meritorious Patron

    Let's have an out 2D on this list right now.

    Honey, I'm going to tell everyone all the things I've thought of doing to you over the years, ..........just kidd'n,....gosh I do love you BB.
  15. The Oracle

    The Oracle Gold Meritorious Patron

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  16. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire

    Why don't you guys get a room somewhere? Maybe on another thread?

  17. The Oracle

    The Oracle Gold Meritorious Patron

    Laugh out loud!

    When I flirt these days it's just too funny! Once I hit the 50 mark I stopped taking myself seriously.

    No, I'm not dangerous anymore.
  18. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor


    Notice their are no hot denials. In fact it was an offer not taken up.

    It led to much positive relations.
  19. Dulloldfart

    Dulloldfart Squirrel Extraordinaire


    I just came across this idea again (the theory in the first post, not the subsequent derailment).

    I think briefly about Bearden's idea every now and then, that creating a dipole (any difference of potential, not necessarily with dichotomies/polar opposites) pulls in energy from "the seething vacuum" and flows it out into our regular 3-D space. I often think that this mechanism or one like it is how biological organisms manage to move around, as the simplistic "it's the food that provides the energy dumdum, innit?" doesn't seem to cut it if you think of how much energy it takes to move 150 lb. around and compare that to the relevant ease of throwing one's own meat body around all day.

    I also wonder about the relationship of Bearden's seething vacuum to the "more normal" subtle energy mechanisms like aura bodies, chakras, acupuncture points, meridians, and so forth. Bearden (as far as I know) has a straight two-sided relationship, i.e., stuff either belongs in the seething vacuum or in regular space. Whereas the subtle energies exist on many levels, from the etheric level of the aura which is the first level next to the physical and is visible to almost anyone down to far finer auric bodies and whole dimensions even below them. (See my PaulsRobot RAW4 Module for drills [from me] to explore these levels and documentation [from Barbara Brennan] about them).

    Any useful ideas?

  20. Panda Termint

    Panda Termint Cabal Of One

    It's interesting to me too. Perhaps it's a little off the track you're pursuing, Paul, but I have observed the quite remarkable role emotional state plays in apparent energy-level. Function monitors structure?