Thetans don't exteriorize because...

[RogerB]

Here is Something That Might Help

A few little pointers that might help.

We tend to empower that which we focus on

If you focus on what you don't want, like "I don't want to be in my head," for example . . . guess what?? Or, another way to be trapped is to be stuck trying to "not be at some location or other."

Such resisting of or opposing a negative sticks one with the negative.

Better to conceive of and to be, do, have the positive that you actually do want.

Roger

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Very good point and good advice.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

The only time Ive been properly exterior was a random thing - I was sitting on a friends loungeroom floor having a chat after dropping some people home from work at the org. I got up to leave and nearly tripped over the coffee table. I thought it was a little strange, I could have sworn it was another foot to the left.... as I walked to my car (feeling kinda strange, like my vision was all stretched) I walked into the wheelie bin. I realised that my body was actually a foot or two down and to the left of me. I drove home grinning like an idiot, and the next morning when I woke up I was back in my head.

It was an awesome feeling. Although tripping over everything was really embaressing.

Very interesting and cool.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Interesting viewpoint, Fluffy. I think I got what you meant. I think since just before I left the CofS I've been more "in" my body than ever before. It almost became a bad thing to go "exterior". I'm working on getting back to just sort of "babysitting" the body.

I really like that concept.

I also feel that people (those who are interested in that concept and whether or not they may be doing it) should not worry about exteriorizing or not exteriorizing. I think we're "out" already. So what's left? Switching viewpoints- being able to do that.

 

[Kathy (ImOut)]

I really like that concept.

I also feel that people (those who are interested in that concept and whether or not they may be doing it) should not worry about exteriorizing or not exteriorizing. I think we're "out" already. So what's left? Switching viewpoints- being able to do that.

The bothersome part was the feeling of "stuck in". I think the being "unstuck" is coming back. I'm running into more walls. LOL!!!

As a kid, I would forget about the body and would walk into walls all the time thinking I could go thru them. Well, I could, but the body sure couldn't. LOL!!

 

[Lesolee (Sith Lord)]

Er, well I'm sure that Co$ lady is very clever, but Exteriorisation was definitely an EP way back when.

1970 Grade Chart: OT VI:

ABILITY GAINED
Ability to operate freely as a Thetan exterior and to act pan-determinedly. Extends the influence of the Thetan to the universe of others.

INABILITY LOST
Freedom from the inability to operate exterior.

By 1975 all abilities on the Grade chart for OT levels were no longer published.

L12 is certainly sold on the basis of a quote from LRH to the effect that he wouldn't let the pc attest until the pc was exterior (although that is not the EP of L12).


The Co$ fooled us by making the OT level EPs confidential to hide the fact that they were now wishy washy and not as good as they used to be.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

(Not trying to say anything is "superior" to your favorite; just passing along a good translation I have found. )

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No problem. My favorite translation is just that - a favorite. I've several other good ones although not the one you cite. I may be adding this one too. The terseness of style is also appealing. Thanks.


Mark A. Baker

 

[degraded being]

I agree Fluffy.

And if someone has only ever viewed the world from somewhere around their eyes, then suddenly releasing from such a fixed point and being aware through another location would need a way to be described and, "going extrerior" could be one of the ways they might say it.

We might BE everywhere and nowhere at the same time. We tend to "look" from (or through might be a better word) a location, be it a tight one or a broad one. I can imagine a ball. Holding onto the ball so that my body surrounds it, I am existing all around it but when I make a pinprick hole and look "into" the ball I see what is in there from one viewpoint. This is a rough analogy of how I believe I percieve the world.

When something within the ball makes a disturbance, I can feel that there is a disturbance in the ball.

One of our brain functions is to "locate" the body, to tell us where it is in relation to other things. It is usually fed from visual input. When someone loses their sight it is a major rehabilitation aspect, to get that function going again through other stimuli, sound, touch, even smell etc. Anyhow, the point being that where you "see from" is very tied in to being human and using the brain etc. As a species we A=A on where I see from is where I am. It is based on biological hardware. So it does not surprise me that "going exterior" is how the phenomenon of being aware from another location is tagged.


Wo knows other terms for this phenomenon? I'd love to hear them.

I like this explanation. And I like it when people discussing this kind of thing include the BRAIN and the fact that people find ways to represent, in words, what they think is happening. I think it's fairly easy to mistake the way one represents what is happening, for what is actually happening.

I also like Fluff's original post. And I like the pic of dog chasing tail.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Terrific discussion! I don't have much of a reply, really. I'm just really enjoying reading these responses. The more I feel I learn or discern, the more aware I am that I actually do NOT know. There are certain ideas I love and opinions I hold but true or false? Jury's still out there.

 

[the-ghostwhowalks]

lesolee - you have my vote !

Please guys , have a read over my "ghost story" posts - I would love your feedback and wisdom !

 

[Leon]

Er, well I'm sure that Co$ lady is very clever, but Exteriorisation was definitely an EP way back when.

1970 Grade Chart: OT VI:

ABILITY GAINED
Ability to operate freely as a Thetan exterior and to act pan-determinedly. Extends the influence of the Thetan to the universe of others.

INABILITY LOST
Freedom from the inability to operate exterior.

By 1975 all abilities on the Grade chart for OT levels were no longer published.

L12 is certainly sold on the basis of a quote from LRH to the effect that he wouldn't let the pc attest until the pc was exterior (although that is not the EP of L12).


The Co$ fooled us by making the OT level EPs confidential to hide the fact that they were now wishy washy and not as good as they used to be.

In actual fact back at the examiner's desk, the phrase "Ability to operate freely as a Thetan exterior" did not mean what you may think it means. Does not necessarily mean that you can go touring around the place without your body - not at all. Just means that you are operating your body from and exterior position while still using the body as a via for perception, communication and mobility.

Also "Extends the influence of the Thetan to the universe of others" means that you can influence others. Does not necessarily mean that you are beaming a beam into them and making them sign the cheque or anything like that. It's just general, everyday "influence" them. Like Dale Carnegie does.

 

[nozeno]

Also "Extends the influence of the Thetan to the universe of others" means that you can influence others. Does not necessarily mean that you are beaming a beam into them and making them sign the cheque or anything like that. It's just general, everyday "influence" them. Like Dale Carnegie does.

Yeah and Dale only charges about $500 USD and birds don't shit, I mean sit on your head.

Do birds fly?

 

[Dulloldfart]

In actual fact back at the examiner's desk, the phrase "Ability to operate freely as a Thetan exterior" did not mean what you may think it means. Does not necessarily mean that you can go touring around the place without your body - not at all. Just means that you are operating your body from and exterior position while still using the body as a via for perception, communication and mobility.

This is Mad Hatter logic, where words mean what you want them to mean.

Paul

 

[Zinjifar]

This is Mad Hatter logic, where words mean what you want them to mean.

Paul

I.E. - Scientology

Zinj

 

[Lesolee (Sith Lord)]

In actual fact back at the examiner's desk, the phrase "Ability to operate freely as a Thetan exterior" did not mean what you may think it means. Does not necessarily mean that you can go touring around the place without your body - not at all. Just means that you are operating your body from and exterior position while still using the body as a via for perception, communication and mobility.

That's a fascinating insight.

Thanks very much.

 

[me myself & i]

In actual fact back at the examiner's desk, the phrase "Ability to operate freely as a Thetan exterior" did not mean what you may think it means. Does not necessarily mean that you can go touring around the place without your body - not at all. Just means that you are operating your body from and exterior position while still using the body as a via for perception, communication and mobility.

Ok, so when Ron spoke of being in the Van Allen Belt was 'his body' there, as a vehicle for perception?

(funny mental picture of L. Ron Hubbard floating in space without a space suit all dressed up with a scarf around his neck.)

mm&i

 

[Mark A. Baker]

This is Mad Hatter logic, where words mean what you want them to mean.

Paul

Unfortunately, that is the way humans use words, hence the evolution of meanings & usage through time.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Zinjifar]

Unfortunately, that is the way humans use words, hence the evolution of meanings & usage through time.


Mark A. Baker

Humans are whacky. You give them nonsense words like 'OT' and 'Clear' and 'SP' and they figure they must mean *something*, so they fiddle around till they can supply some 'meaning' then claim that's what they meant all along...

Zinj

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

In actual fact back at the examiner's desk, the phrase "Ability to operate freely as a Thetan exterior" did not mean what you may think it means. Does not necessarily mean that you can go touring around the place without your body - not at all. Just means that you are operating your body from and exterior position while still using the body as a via for perception, communication and mobility. <snip>

- Well, that's.... that's.. that's... I'm.. Flabberghasted!!!