Those who knew LRH: Did you talk about god?

[knn]

I have a question to those who had conversations with LRH: Did you ever talk about god/ angels/ satan/ etc with him? Did he ever mention his god-beliefs or so?

 

[dchoiceisalwaysrs]

Only a related answer

I never talked with the man, but there was an L's briefing video..by a class Xll I think, who said LRH had asked the auditor, if the auditor thought LRH was God, and continued on to say he wasn't but he was damned OT.

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

There are only so many hours in the day, I can't imagination Hubbard having enough time to even cover how brilliant he was and how grateful you should be for it, let alone have time to discuss such trivial topics such as God.

 

[Panda Termint]

I never talked with the man, but there was an L's briefing video..by a class Xll I think, who said LRH had asked the auditor, if the auditor thought LRH was God, and continued on to say he wasn't but he was damned OT.

This would be the briefing on the Ls by Greg Wilhere, I believe.
He was describing his first encounter with Hubbard when he was posted as LRH Valet/Assistant.

 

[Challenge]

No.

Chlng

 

[Iknowtoomuch]

That's a great question considering he rarely ever talks about god in Scientology.

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

This would be the briefing on the Ls by Greg Wilhere, I believe.
He was describing his first encounter with Hubbard when he was posted as LRH Valet/Assistant.

Yeah. Greg also told a couple of us that too.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[DartSmohen]

In all the time I knew him I don't remember him ever mentioning God.

He did bang on a bit about OT.

Dart

 

[knn]

In all the time I knew him I don't remember him ever mentioning God.

He did bang on a bit about OT.

Dart

What about angels? I ask this because Alan mentions spiritual teammates and angels on his Knowledgism site, so I wonder whether anyone knows what LRH thought about something like that.

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

What about angels? I ask this because Alan mentions spiritual teammates and angels on his Knowledgism site, so I wonder whether anyone knows what LRH thought about something like that.

It's unfair to compare Alan to someone as messed up as Hubbard. Alan's belief system is different than Hubbard's, From all I can tell Alan is actually trying to get people beyond their hangups which are limiting them. Hubbard was looking to create a totalitarian cult which was not only dependent on him but worshiped him. When it comes to God the only action Hubbard demonstrated was to compete for the attention given to God by others who believed in God, similar to a child competing for his father's praise. It's hard to image someone who took such pleasure in tormenting and enslaving people the way Hubbard did could believe in a higher power.

 

[Challenge]

I do recall a lenghthy conversation that he and I had over lunch one day in D.C. It was all about flying saucers, UFOs, and aliens. He kept asking me what would their purpose be ( in coming to earth).

Chlng

 

[LA SCN]

... It's hard to image someone who took such pleasure in tormenting and enslaving people the way Hubbard did could believe in a higher power.

Oh, he believed in a higher power, all right. He spent the last years of his life avoiding it, on the run and in hiding.

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Oh, he believed in a higher power, all right. He spent the last years of his life avoiding it, on the run and in hiding.

I stand corrected, I forgot about that ... higher power

 

[Hatshepsut]

I do recall a lenghthy conversation that he and I had over lunch one day in D.C. It was all about flying saucers, UFOs, and aliens. He kept asking me what would their purpose be ( in coming to earth).

Chlng

Oh, he believed in a higher power, all right. He spent the last years of his life avoiding it, on the run and in hiding.

I think LRH had enough experience to see that its INTENTIONS that are running things in the cosmos. One of the old OT levels I believe was "Spot some things that are intending something..." (or something like that.) You cannot go through life and not see that some things are definitely controlling other things. I believe he decided he'd rather be the one doing the controlling rather than at effect point. One of Aleister Crowley's tactics was assuming the GOD viewpoint. This was to be done with absolute presumption of one's rightness to do so. If you go into areas of track where there is no one any longer intending or controlling things, like after a revolution or interplanetary catastrophe, you at first see the chaos. Then someone always steps up to plate to claim themselves the new power and tries to establish the LAW....or re-establish it. The LAW handed down by themselves, or Moses, or some Sumerian lizard GOD or whatever....I'm talking about some dynamics having dominion over other dynamics. Is this natural order or is it POSTULATES of survival of the fittest?
Looking into the Excalibur procedures as described by L. Kin or the processing of higher and higher goals on an heirarchical chain (Aspectics), it becomes evident that control drifts down form a line of command intention. These intentions are standing and often timeless.
I was impressed with the David Mayo Sunday talk regarding Scientologists not believing much in a higher power but who arrived into the subject with a goal to become more like gods. He pointed out the downside to this and his belief that in life there was such a thing as "Goodness". It struck me that this idea has credibiliity . To me this is almost tangible. Even if the overt/ motivator sequence is only a mechanism we agree upon to keep civilaztions good and intact... there is such a thing as GOODNESS!
I can tell you that one time a long long time ago, I was recruited by a group who set themselves up as CAUSE over the forces of life. These were a Babylonian breed who existed paratially in and somewhat out of our timestream. I did not gain much tenure in that capacity. Like Mickey Mouse in The Sorcerer's Apprentice I was in way over my head. It was someplace I really didn't want to BE. I fled the group.. There is a soul-sickening degredation that follows the likes of the necromancer around and leaves him caked dull with the essences of life who's self-determinisms are usurped and the life forces that have been cannibalized.. (like LRH?)
You cannot set yourself up as the CONTROLLER and the point of CAUSATION forever without incurring the penalty of not being able to drink a breath of life from the TRUE higher power.
I experienced tremendous grief as I felt my own life force darken and go null. But something unexpected by me was to follow at length. It fell silently ... a washing away, a bestowing of benevolence and goodness upon me which left me amazed.. I can only describe it as a decsending GRACE.... I was left whole again. All of my ARC breaks with life were washed away from me.... like it never even happened. I did not incur any karma and there were no amends. I became like new. I will never, ever, ever forget this saving grace granted to me. I can only describe it as GOODNESS.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Hubbard DID use the word GOD extensively, according to my ex-wife who was his personal steward on the ship. Apparently, he had a very special relationship with God, based on many true stories like this one...

During a "white glove inspection" of his cabin someone found a little dust on an upper ledge above a doorway.

Just before sending her to the chain locker, Hubbard issued some emphatic screaming orders to his immediate junior with a string of "GOD DAMN (THIS) and GOD DAMN (THAT)!!!!

He was apparently ordering his junior (God) who/what needed to be damned.

 

[Hatshepsut]

Hubbard DID use the word GOD extensively, according to my ex-wife who was his personal steward on the ship. Apparently, he had a very special relationship with God, based on many true stories like this one...

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I did not say I had a special relationship with GOD or anything like that. I said I had experienced unexpectedly a subjective reality of what GRACE is. It is something most Scientologists don't consider. Everything is either pulled-in or somehow intended. And the only things granted, given, or bestowed are by oneself.