Threats of Violence Against Me on Marty's Blog

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Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
Marty needs to name the enemies for his group, just as DM does, and just as LRH did.

Scientology needs enemies or it can not survive.

And yes, neither can Alanzo.
 

AnonKat

Crusader
Marty needs to name the enemies for his group, just as DM does, and just as LRH did.

Scientology needs enemies or it can not survive.

And yes, neither can Alanzo.

In fact one could alsoo take the view that David Miscavige did a good job in keeping Scientology small :lol:

Since he has Trolllike qualities and trolls people for money wich he does get he is a succesfulll troll. Well at least untill now. (Still squeezing out money)

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Wich makes him without knowing fit right in with the darker part of Anonymous on the chans

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But as it goes with people that have to hide stuff he will be trolled back hard Oh wait that happened. :D

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uniquemand

Unbeliever
It would be a good idea to cease "flowing power" and attention to Marty. He's a thug who doesn't recant. End of story.
 

FinallyMe

Silver Meritorious Patron
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Some people have told me that I'm an asshole for going in there and trying to insert little thought-grenades, designed to blow chunks of the indoc off, saying it's like going into a christian congregation and pissing on the altar during service.

I beg to differ.

Well, keep in mind that at least one of the people slapping you for voicing your opinion on Marty's board is someone who goes, in person, and pickets what some people call a Church, making fun, calling names, behaving in a manner that some people consider to be juvenile.

I'd say a written opinion, which can be eliminated by the board's owner, is a much more polite and civilized thing to do, but ultimately is doing the SAME THING - voicing your opinion about a religion that you disagree with.
 

Zinjifar

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It would be a good idea to cease "flowing power" and attention to Marty. He's a thug who doesn't recant. End of story.

Problem being, like the 'Church' of Scientology, Marty Rathbun would like to operate without being seen by those not already in 'agreement'.

So, it's very *good* to watch. How else will you know what they're up to?

Secret Scientology is successful Scientology; Open Scientology is *defunct*

Zinj
 

AnonKat

Crusader
Problem being, like the 'Church' of Scientology, Marty Rathbun would like to operate without being seen by those not already in 'agreement'.

So, it's very *good* to watch. How else will you know what they're up to?

Secret Scientology is successful Scientology; Open Scientology is *defunct*

Zinj

It will grow again though No more forced abortions so they can "create" more Scientologists :D

Like Christians, Jews, Muslims etc. Creating more of there own. :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Rock, Scissors, Paper expanded...

SCIENTOLOGY CRYPTIC TRYPTICH TRICK-TECH

CoS lies breaks Scientologist.

Scientologist cuts out from CoS and goes Indie.

Indie covers up truth of CoS and Scientology.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Originally posted by AnonKat;463330]
It will grow again though No more forced abortions so they can "create" more Scientologists :D


Wait, per DMSMH, aren't forced abortions a "Successful Action" to generate future business in the form pre-natal engrams that need to be profitably cleared?

No Engrams = No GI

No GI = No VGI
 

AnonKat

Crusader
No, but than again I think Christians are Bat shit crazy too.

oops

And now the nuance, Scientology practised by Terril and Diana IS freedom of religion, Scientology practiced in the Church is suppression of free speech and abuse of Human rights.

The Pope in Rome is a Fanatic zealot. The pastor in my neighbourhood is not.
 

rhill

Patron with Honors
And now the nuance, Scientology practised by Terril and Diana IS freedom of religion, Scientology practiced in the Church is suppression of free speech and abuse of Human rights.

The Pope in Rome is a Fanatic zealot. The pastor in my neighbourhood is not.

If it were that simple.

The thing is, there are worldviews which are good at bringing out the worst out of people, some others are good at bringing out the best.

Scientology, as designed by Hubbard, is among the ones that is good at bringing out the worst. The more so the closer they apply it as Hubbard said it should be applied. The less so the more they "squirrel" Hubbard's "scriptures."

I find very unfortunate the common view out there that wordviews labeled "religious" should be left out of the realm of critical scrutiny. I don't care about this label, I see it as a convention of our time, and I don't submit to it. In my opinion, all worldviews, whatever the label assigned to them by some, are fair game for scrutiny.

There are many worldviews out there which did not get the "religious" label, and they are rightfully scrutinized. They are deconstructed, and some most agree brings out the worst from individuals. Some other brings out the best. Same applies for worldviews labeled "religious."

Scientology, with its doctrines of "suppressive person," built-in deceit and emphasis on "production" as a mean to measure spiritual worth is good at bringing out the worst out of individuals. The historical track record supports this very well. And it's why it deserves to be fully exposed.

Did you see the Scientologist who made gesture of shooting at Anon Sparrow? That's an example of the worst being brought out of an individual indoctrinated with Scientology teachings. David Miscavige was not there aside him forcing him to think the way he was thinking then. He saw Anon Sparrow as a "suppressive person." An "evil thetan," bent on preventing "free thetans" from becoming "freer."

The closer we get from fully exposing Scientology, the less likely its insidious destructive doctrines will be espoused. I don't trust those working against full exposure.
 
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Zinjifar

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Acceptable Truth Sucks. Without Acceptable Truth, Scientology would not exist.
It's impossible to be a Scientologist *without* Acceptable Truth.

That's true for Terril too.

Zinj
 

AnonKat

Crusader
If it were that simple.

The thing is, there are worldviews which are good at bringing out the worst out of people, some others are good at bringing out the best.
yes
Scientology, as designed by Hubbard, is among the ones that is good at bringing out the worst. The more so the closer they apply it as Hubbard said it should be applied. The less so the more they "squirrel" Hubbard's "scriptures."
KSW, Sea Org and OT3 where the Game changers I am inclined to follow Robin Scotts and John McMasters observations on thatI find very unfortunate the common view out there that wordviews labeled "religious" should be left out of the realm of critical scrutiny. I don't care about this label, I see it as a convention of our time, and I don't submit to it. In my opinion, all worldviews, whatever the label assigned to them by some, are fair game for scrutiny.
SCRUTINY MUST SEIN Like in the Chatolic Church abuses must be exposed. Surviviors compensated and the criminals put away and punished. There are many worldviews out there which did not get the "religious" label, and they are rightfully scrutinized. They are deconstructed, and some most agree brings out the worst from individuals. Some other brings out the best. Same applies for worldviews labeled "religious." You can be a Neo Nazi in the US as long as you commit no crime. In my country too. The tought police has no bussiness being in peoples heads
Scientology, with its doctrines of "suppressive person," built-in deceit and emphasis on "production" as a mean to measure spiritual worth is good at bringing out the worst out of individuals. The historical track record supports this very well. And it's why it deserves to be fully exposed.
Freedom of speech, expression and belief should not be curtailed. Onley when a CRIMINAL ACT is commited the goverment should act or in PREVENTING one.Did you see the Scientologist who made gesture of shooting at Anon Sparrow? That's an example of the worst being brought out of an individual indoctrinated with Scientology teachings. David Miscavige was not there aside him forcing him to think the way he was thinking then. He saw Anon Sparrow as a "suppressive person." An "evil thetan," bent on preventing "free thetans" from becoming "freer."
Yes I saw that and I would never be friends with such a person but those guys pop up anywhere. They are the way they are . Assholes they actually look NOT brainwashed, They did not have that robotic quality The closer we get from fully exposing Scientology, the less likely its insidious destructive doctrines will be espoused. I don't trust those working against full exposure.Hey, spread the shit all over the net. Fluffy still finds some of the shit helpfull. I tend to believe her as she is the Miss 007 of ESMB:D

Get it out in the open and let the world decide what to use and what not.

Knowledge is free
 

Zinjifar

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Get it out in the open and the world decide what to use and what not.

Knowledge is free

It's hard to figure out whether you're as stupid as you pretend or not. It's not about what to *use* or not; it's about what to *prosecute*.

Nobody cares if people 'use' the non-criminal elements of Scientology. Non-criminally.

Zinj
 

Terril park

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This is a post I just made stripped of promotional bits. It details
an astonishing example of black/reverse scn.

Perhaps suitable for this thread.
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-----------------
TECH outside COS: Flag and Freewind's Iron Curtain.

I have been in Scientology for over 25 years. During that time I trained to Class V Interned in Milan. I have never been on staff.
I have been a rather succesful businessman and always had gains in Scientology auditing and Rundowns until the year 2001, when for a reason that is a yet unclear to me,
I was made to do 10 intensives of sec-check, mainly cleaning cleans, once spending 3 hours on a question that asked if I had been a member of the CIA, when I am an Italian
Citizen and my only trips to the United States have been to get auditing in Clearwater, Florida, at the Flag Land Base.
My auditors at Flag, when I told them I felt clean, were, while in session, intensely hostile to me. More than once when I was literally driven to despair and on the edge of bursting in a cry of despair,
pursing what I felt
was a false read, I was told by my Flag auditors, with contempt in their voice, to "knock it off". and "fess off to the withold"
I was made to redo Solo NOts all over again, when I felt there was nothing wrong with it. I was told that it was IMPOSSIBLE to get a blow or Ep of a process on
that level unless I had a blowdown on each and every action. This is based on a confidential "Directive" blow anything written by David Miscavige that
"anyone who claims to get a blow or process EP on Solo NOTs without a full Blowdown is simply at the case level of "DUB-IN" and imagining things. When I politely queries that a
non-LRH directive could not alter LRH written HCOBs, I was immediately routed to Ethics and told in unclear that questioning the validity of the writings of David Miscavige
was in itself a suppressive act.
I was sent back for more sec-checking. Each time I said I had an ARCX, a disagreement or even the few times I burst into tears, I was asked one question and one question only: "What withold has been missed".
I somehow managed to get through the wall of sec-checking and the redo of Solo NOTs, at a cost of more than 80,000 Euros, once I learned the valuable session that it
is no longer safe to tell what one thinks in session, and the only other choice
given to me by the Ethics officer, over unquestioning obedience was being declared a Supressive person and that each of my Scientology employees (more than a dozen of them)
would be told to disconnect from a destructively as possible, the goal being apparently to make me bankrupt and destitute in the process.
I redid OT VIII on the Freewinds. This was not a pleasant experience. Even the few times I was allowed to go on shore, I was being continually watched by my HCO Escort,
in a manner that was reminiscent of the treatment given to Westerners when they visited and Iron Curtain country at the height of the Cold War..
I started to question within myself what level of Degradation Scientology had fell into...
In the 5 years since I "completed" OT VII and VIII for the second time, I found myself, for the first time in my life not doing well and in a state of apathy toward
my life, my family and my business.
The Church was no longer an answer. I went on the Internet, found the FreeZone and got a few sessions from a highly trained auditor. Though the sessions did not make me feeel worse,
they did not resolve anything and I very soon sank into hopelessness.
I then found Pierre Ethier, an auditor who trained and interned at Flag as a Class XII auditor.
Pierre Ethier was a lengendary name at Flag in the 1980s and early 1990s, among us Italians (and among Mexicans and Spaniards as well, I am told). He had a reputed as the best auditor there was.
Not only did he audit the most hours of any auditor at Flag, every single pc who was ever audited by him had nothing but great wins and stories to tell.

I met Pierre at a sumptuous villa right on the shore of Lake Como. He did a short and to the point interview and then took 15 minutes to write what he said was a |
"tailor made program strictly based on the C/S Series".

The session was fantastic! It opened my eyes which had remained shut from years of suppression and out-tech! I was recognized and acknowledge for who I was.
That short 1/2 hour session was indeed TRUTH Revealed. I lost not only a huge mass from my shoulders, I feel 10 years younger. revitalized, bright. My future looks good again.

It has been exactly one week since I had my session with Pierre, and I still feel great. For the first time in over 10 years, I found myself whistling just for the fun of it.
Pierre you have my eternal gratitude for what you have done. Of course my thanks to LRH, whose tech Pierre duplicated so well.

G.C.
 
Stating the Obvious!

Marty the Lamb, LOL x 1,000,000

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Can I just state this here for the record?

Marty ain't nobody's MESSIAH!

Just stop expecting him to save the situation or help much...

he's playing his own game, as are we all.

The way he moderates and filters his board clearly demonstrates his lack of pandeterminism...

One of the hallmarks of making gains in vibrant mental/emotional health is this: "Get the toxic people out of your life!" :coolwink:

A word to the wise is sufficient...
 

AnonKat

Crusader
It's hard to figure out whether you're as stupid as you pretend or not. It's not about what to *use* or not; it's about what to *prosecute*.

Nobody cares if people 'use' the non-criminal elements of Scientology. Non-criminally.

Zinj

Nicely pakckaged "ad hom" :D

Finnaly some nuance. Stomp out the abuses, Stop the crimes and punish the guilty.
 
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