To all the Past, Present, and Future Word Clearers

[SchwimmelPuckel]

I was flunked once, on the word 'forestall'.. Which I understood well, but it was apparent that the wordclearer didn't. - So I explained for maybe 20 minutes to make him understand.. Pfft.. The guy started to complain about verbal tech in the middle of it..

He didn't like it.. But he did have to admit I was right!

 

[VaD]

The beauty of clearing words is that sometimes you can think that Hubbard was a genius, and sometimes you *totally understand* that he was nothing but an idiot.

I think word clearing is a wonderful technique to detach oneself from Scientology.

 

[AnonyMary]

I'm not talking about words or paper!

 

[thefiredragon]

In high school I was called out of classes to tutor kids in special ed
because the teacher liked the way I handled the students and helped them make progress. I basically word cleared them. I never thought them stupid or incapable. I just figured it would take them longer but they would get it. And they did. I basically used Method 7 (telling them what the word means) and Method 9 (having them read til they fumble something and then working out and clearing up what they didn't get). This was long before I found scn. How can anyone possibly have dibs on misunderstood words?

I never thought Hubbard had dibs on a lot of things like that. He just organized and repackaged existing information on many topics. He can have the credit for that but truth existed a lot earlier than scn...and will exist after scn. too.

My kids go to public elementary school and they do bacicaly,what scns call M7 and M9. Not exactly the same way but close. I guess, teachers these days see value in world clearing. My oldest son hates looking up worlds in a dictionary ( I think,he has a hard time with ABC order) he looks them up in online dictionary.
Most of public schools I know, have kids to look up the worlds. Teachersdo not require them to clear up every definition and make sentence with each onebut at least the most apliable one or the one that is in the text they study. Kids also get each week numbers of spelling words to study and use them in the sentence.
Study tech can be useful if you use it correctly.
BTW, I remember a supervisor in staff college at Flag named Juan Carlos who would flunk one of my friends several times a day for being sleepy.I guess he just simply did not understand that the human body needs to sleep and that guy was working a lot, no wonder he was so tired.
Yawning is not always a sign of an M.U.

 

[thefiredragon]

P.S to Vadim .
LOL. I flunked me at every check out .

 

[AnonyMary]

I'm not talking about words or paper!

 

[Out-Ethics]

The beauty of clearing words is that sometimes you can think that Hubbard was a genius, and sometimes you *totally understand* that he was nothing but an idiot.

I think word clearing is a wonderful technique to detach oneself from Scientology.

As a sup I would run into students asking me what hell is Hubbard talking about. Of course the training tells you that if the student can't understand Hubbard it is an earlier MU. BUT I can't tell you how many times I would read over what they were having trouble with and I would say to myself "I have no FUCKING idea either". Sometimes the student would find a word and tell me it is cleared up or sometimes we just worked it out so the student could move on.

I come to the conclusion that Hubbard made shit up as he went along or took drugs prior to his lecture or writing. There is no dictionary that exist to clear up concepts that only exist in the mind of a rambling madman. :confused2:

 

[AnonyMary]

As a sup I would run into students asking me what hell is Hubbard talking about. Of course the training tells you that if the student can't understand Hubbard it is an earlier MU. BUT I can't tell you how many times I would read over what they were having trouble with and I would say to myself "I have no FUCKING idea either". Sometimes the student would find a word and tell me it is cleared up or sometimes we just worked it out so the student could move on.

I had quite a few moments like that while suping......

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

As a sup I would run into students asking me what hell is Hubbard talking about. Of course the training tells you that if the student can't understand Hubbard it is an earlier MU. BUT I can't tell you how many times I would read over what they were having trouble with and I would say to myself "I have no FUCKING idea either". Sometimes the student would find a word and tell me it is cleared up or sometimes we just worked it out so the student could move on.

I come to the conclusion that Hubbard made shit up as he went along or took drugs prior to his lecture or writing. There is no dictionary that exist to clear up concepts that only exist in the mind of a rambling madman. :confused2:

I think you've summed t up. $cn word clearing wasn't about agreement outright, it was about getting people to "understand" jibberish and then go into agreement with it.

 

[Zinjifar]

I think you've summed t up. $cn word clearing wasn't about agreement outright, it was about getting people to "understand" jibberish and then go into agreement with it.

And then to 'agree' that the only 'reality' *is* agreement. Thus short circuiting any investigation into objective reality.

Zinj

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

And then to 'agree' that the only 'reality' *is* agreement. Thus short circuiting any investigation into objective reality.

Zinj

yeah.. It's true. It has been confirmed.. "What's true for you is true for you!" - "Don't ever compromise your own reality"...

Hmm... What does scientologists mean when they give a 'Reality Factor' anyway? - Are they admitting that objective reality actually exsists?

 

[Zinjifar]

it's a pro-active agreement monster

Zinj

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

On Wordclearing....

VENI, CLEARI, CRINGI

I came in trusting Ron.

I cleared the unclearable (Ron's lies).

I cringed (to realize how badly I confused trust with gullibility).​

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

Well, with all that said.. (This whole thread) - I have to say that the 'religious' attention to words and their meaning was what I liked best from Scientology. Not that I thought it was any breakthrough new technology.. I did have the idea on my own, long before I even heard of Scientology, that the meaning of words was key to understanding language and that language was the 'tool' we use to convey thoughts..

I liked the 'intention' with 'Study Tech'.. Again, nothing really new to me in it.

In fact.. I find it highly mysterious that Scientologists do not 'get' that Hubbard is a conman conning them.. What with all that 'nomenclature' and 'understanding' they are capable of?

Hell, how can anyone study, wordclear and claydemo all that Hubbardian mindboggeling and not get it? - Yea.. I did it too! - Without getting it.. Which only makes it more mysterious.

It's more obscene than the Obscene Dog fergossake!

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Well, with all that said.. (This whole thread) - I have to say that the 'religious' attention to words and their meaning was what I liked best from Scientology. Not that I thought it was any breakthrough new technology.. I did have the idea on my own, long before I even heard of Scientology, that the meaning of words was key to understanding language and that language was the 'tool' we use to convey thoughts..

I liked the 'intention' with 'Study Tech'.. Again, nothing really new to me in it.

In fact.. I find it highly mysterious that Scientologists do not 'get' that Hubbard is a conman conning them.. What with all that 'nomenclature' and 'understanding' they are capable of?

Hell, how can anyone study, wordclear and claydemo all that Hubbardian mindboggeling and not get it? - Yea.. I did it too! - Without getting it.. Which only makes it more mysterious.

It's more obscene than the Obscene Dog fergossake!

Yup, Yup, Yup!

In Scientology you are required to thoroughly STUDY and CLEAR everything.

Except Scientology.

Word Clearing in Scientology is like combing your hair in a mirror and running the comb against the reflection.

When you are done you are still messed up.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

If Scientologists actually used Study Tech and Word Clearing....

The first thing they would do, upon hearing about the wondrous state of Clear, would be to spend 10 minutes looking at Book I Dianetics to see what the definition of Clear is.

Then, "to get the mass" on this "significance" they would ask to meet a real Clear and "observe the obvious" new abilities like "perfect recall".

Total time invested = 10 minutes + 1 minute = 11 minutes.

That last one minute was spent thusly:

BRAND NEW SCIENTOLOGIST
This Clear thing sounds cool. I really need to meet a Clear
now so I can get full-conceptual-understanding and certainty.

KSW SCIENTOLOGIST
Not certain? If you are in Doubt, you
really need to meet our Ethics Officer instead.

BRAND NEW (EX)SCIENTOLOGIST
Buh-Bye. ​

 

[FinallyMe]

My first experience with "word clearing" was on the Comm course - an absolute newbie, still had not heard of Dianetics, Scientology or anything at all. The material I was reading talked about the "auditor" and the "PC" and I believe that concept was explained to me. But I had never heard the phrase "out of whole cloth" or "hang fire" and had no clue at all about what these might mean. I diligently looked up each of the words, and STILL had no clue what was being said. Now, that's just plain stupidity - there was no source to translate idioms, or any other way of finding out the meaning of the idiom - but no one would explain it to me, either. The only way I passed the checkout on the materials is that my twin didn't ask me for the definitions -- I suspect he didn't know either!

 

[Out-Ethics]

Well, with all that said.. (This whole thread) - I have to say that the 'religious' attention to words and their meaning was what I liked best from Scientology. Not that I thought it was any breakthrough new technology.. I did have the idea on my own, long before I even heard of Scientology, that the meaning of words was key to understanding language and that language was the 'tool' we use to convey thoughts..

I liked the 'intention' with 'Study Tech'.. Again, nothing really new to me in it.

In fact.. I find it highly mysterious that Scientologists do not 'get' that Hubbard is a conman conning them.. What with all that 'nomenclature' and 'understanding' they are capable of?

Hell, how can anyone study, wordclear and claydemo all that Hubbardian mindboggeling and not get it? - Yea.. I did it too! - Without getting it.. Which only makes it more mysterious.

It's more obscene than the Obscene Dog fergossake!

It would be interesting to see how many people did training or received auditing and how many are still considering themselves Scientologists. My guess is that many have studied Scientology but left for whatever reason and probably came to the same conclusion you did.

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

My first experience with "word clearing" was on the Comm course - an absolute newbie, still had not heard of Dianetics, Scientology or anything at all. The material I was reading talked about the "auditor" and the "PC" and I believe that concept was explained to me. But I had never heard the phrase "out of whole cloth" or "hang fire" and had no clue at all about what these might mean. I diligently looked up each of the words, and STILL had no clue what was being said. Now, that's just plain stupidity - there was no source to translate idioms, or any other way of finding out the meaning of the idiom - but no one would explain it to me, either. The only way I passed the checkout on the materials is that my twin didn't ask me for the definitions -- I suspect he didn't know either!

^^^ Hah! - I suspect that you exposed a very common problem! - A hidden generator of crashing MU's! - Mewhaha..

And really!? - Why can't scientologists figure this kind of stuff out? - They're so proud of 'Study Tech'.. Yet they cannot think and remedy problems of study!

Ah.. Yeah.. KSW.. It's a high crime to think and remedy anything...

 

[Out-Ethics]

My first experience with "word clearing" was on the Comm course - an absolute newbie, still had not heard of Dianetics, Scientology or anything at all. The material I was reading talked about the "auditor" and the "PC" and I believe that concept was explained to me. But I had never heard the phrase "out of whole cloth" or "hang fire" and had no clue at all about what these might mean. I diligently looked up each of the words, and STILL had no clue what was being said. Now, that's just plain stupidity - there was no source to translate idioms, or any other way of finding out the meaning of the idiom - but no one would explain it to me, either. The only way I passed the checkout on the materials is that my twin didn't ask me for the definitions -- I suspect he didn't know either!

And you bring up another stupid point about study tech. Nobody can explain verbally to you whether you got it or not but somehow everybody else has it right but you. In order to join that club you somehow come up with how it works (whether it really does or not) so that you too can attest that you can apply it. The only answer you do get is that you have MUs. That is dumbest way to train anyone. Can you imagine training someone to fly a plane and never giving a verbal answer. I'm not going to be his passenger when he flies.