Dulloldfart
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So Chipallina, you have an interesting viewpoint here, one of the 3 "against" versus 42 "for" at this moment. Would you care to explain it?
Paul
To protest or not to protest
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So Chipallina, you have an interesting viewpoint here, one of the 3 "against" versus 42 "for" at this moment. Would you care to explain it?
Paul
Poofy
Patron with Honors
Can you imagine what will happen if Anonymous have another round of pickets?The psychiatrists will show up too and then DM is going to come out of his hiding with hands up.
tessa
tessa, they're planning protests for 3/15, 2 days after LRH's birthday. You don't have to imagine, we'll get to watch. =)
Chipallina
Patron with Honors
The only way I can explain it is that if I imagine myself still at work in the org during one of these protests, I beleive that I would look out and think to myself Oh my god it's a wild world out there look what I would become if I leave - so IMO the protests are making it harder for people to get out not easier. For sure anyone leaving after this past month is going to have a harder time getting over it. To me the most important thing is to help new exes.
Either Anon it should be taken direct to source ie DM / INT or some other way such as getting the government involved.
DM/INT are insulated behind a wall of money, lawyers and razor wire and there is no way to legally 'take it to them directly'.
As for the gummint; do you have a phone number? Maybe they just haven't noticed the Cult
But seriously volks; they've noticed the 'Church', but, they don't *want* to get involved.
So, protest is a way of getting broader public awareness and *forcing* them to act. It's not about 'getting the Scns out'. Nothing will do that but they themselves.
Zinj
Snuffy
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Shame, and rather ironic, that copyright prevents those videos from playing outside the US.
Poofy
Patron with Honors
I support this empathic feeling on not approving protests. At the same time I feel they are the only way to make the media and Government feel safe to address Scientology again.
I had a similar thought yesterday, Chipallina; here's a link to my post about it. Maybe you can help solve the problem: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?p=66017#post66017
I think you make a good point, Nona. We would be best served by creating an environment that is inviting to defection, rather than reinforcing any ideas they might already have that the wog world is hostile to them as people, as individuals. Lots of shouting protesters might not look like much of a welcoming committee to someone on the fence about leaving the church, but then, I am not an ex-scieno, so I don't really know. What strategies could Anon employ in order to offer hope and encouragement to those thinking of leaving while still conveying a message that is critical of the organization itself?
I think you make a good point, Nona. We would be best served by creating an environment that is inviting to defection, rather than reinforcing any ideas they might already have that the wog world is hostile to them as people, as individuals. Lots of shouting protesters might not look like much of a welcoming committee to someone on the fence about leaving the church, but then, I am not an ex-scieno, so I don't really know. What strategies could Anon employ in order to offer hope and encouragement to those thinking of leaving while still conveying a message that is critical of the organization itself?
Dulloldfart
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Dulloldfart
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The Oracle
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Namaste,
oh yeah.........
She's a dangerous lyrical!
T.I.
oh yeah.........
She's a dangerous lyrical!
T.I.
The Oracle
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You have a valid point. Protestors or any threats will cause them to group together tighter.
Beyond that, you have to be willing to have people humiliate and protest about you if you are going to do it others.
T.I.
Terril park
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Protest PR is even covered as valid in the PR Series. Heh.
Paul
Correct. The man was not stupid.
Anon is following source.
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Kerry
Patron with Honors
My primary reason for picketing with Anonymous is to send a message to the non-Scientology public globally that there is a cult/money scam/criminal organization in their midst they are probably not aware of. At least beyond the silly Xenu stuff, if at all.
And that this organization, the "Church" of Scientology, commits unspeakable human rights abuses against many of its own members and all of its critics it has been able to get its hands on.
For over 50 years this organization has committed these crimes against humanity. Everyone on this message board knows that, except possibly the newere lurkers who are finding out, and that they do find information and are able to communicate with ex members is crucial and awesome.
The more information the general public has about this organization the fewer vulnerable people will go to it for spiritual guidance, via "stress tests, inadvertently through one of their many front groups, or to "save the planet." Or for help of any kind, including walking by an "org" and seeing the "Now Hiring" sign.
For me being part of a protest picket is about what I can do, publicly now, to further present the hideous actions (the facts, the documented behaviors) of this organization to a much wider audience of potential victims, and to point unsuspecting general public to websites and books where they can do their own research. Including the CoS official websites.
February 10th 2008 was my first picket. It was quiet for the most part despite well over 100 picketers, completely orderly, there was no shouting at CoS members whatsoever -- and I very much want to stress that. Police and lawyers were consulted well beforehand, and police were liased with throughout the entire long, hot picket. There were no incidents. Most of us did not wear masks. And an unexpected bonus, it was fun, often a result of uniting with strangers for what you believe in. It was totally respectful of everyone, not only of the Scientologists in the "org."
My picket flyer was about family disconnection.
I sincerely hope there are ways and means for people stuck in the "orgs" to be reached with the messages imparted during pickets and more importanty during most of their Scientology life on a day-to-day basis but I feel it is not my job and it is not Anonymous's job to be the ones to do that. (Maybe someone knows something I don't.)
Unless someone gets a lucky break somehow, somewhere, and a CoS Scientologist would discuss this with its critics, it's not rational or reasonable to base a global protest on how "org" members are going to feel.
Everyone matters in relation to any organization who would hurt them.
And that this organization, the "Church" of Scientology, commits unspeakable human rights abuses against many of its own members and all of its critics it has been able to get its hands on.
For over 50 years this organization has committed these crimes against humanity. Everyone on this message board knows that, except possibly the newere lurkers who are finding out, and that they do find information and are able to communicate with ex members is crucial and awesome.
The more information the general public has about this organization the fewer vulnerable people will go to it for spiritual guidance, via "stress tests, inadvertently through one of their many front groups, or to "save the planet." Or for help of any kind, including walking by an "org" and seeing the "Now Hiring" sign.
For me being part of a protest picket is about what I can do, publicly now, to further present the hideous actions (the facts, the documented behaviors) of this organization to a much wider audience of potential victims, and to point unsuspecting general public to websites and books where they can do their own research. Including the CoS official websites.
February 10th 2008 was my first picket. It was quiet for the most part despite well over 100 picketers, completely orderly, there was no shouting at CoS members whatsoever -- and I very much want to stress that. Police and lawyers were consulted well beforehand, and police were liased with throughout the entire long, hot picket. There were no incidents. Most of us did not wear masks. And an unexpected bonus, it was fun, often a result of uniting with strangers for what you believe in. It was totally respectful of everyone, not only of the Scientologists in the "org."
My picket flyer was about family disconnection.
I sincerely hope there are ways and means for people stuck in the "orgs" to be reached with the messages imparted during pickets and more importanty during most of their Scientology life on a day-to-day basis but I feel it is not my job and it is not Anonymous's job to be the ones to do that. (Maybe someone knows something I don't.)
Unless someone gets a lucky break somehow, somewhere, and a CoS Scientologist would discuss this with its critics, it's not rational or reasonable to base a global protest on how "org" members are going to feel.
Everyone matters in relation to any organization who would hurt them.
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