Today Tonight does it again - Tommy Davis on Xenu

[cantsay]

I couldnt agree more Carmel - although its a start, it makes me even more unwilling to tell people I was in the Church. People get the idea that Scns are a bunch of nutters, not that its a manipulative bunch of people fraudulently taking peoples money and working them to death.

Its good that it is making less people join up. But at the same time, the people still in NEED the evidence that their church is unethical. The media could do that.

 

[degraded being]

The xenu crap is what keeps people in. It is what makes members including SO members go along with their own abuse and take part in abusing others.

They would leave a lot earlier if "their eternity" was not at stake.

It is beliefs which it is all being done for.

The xenu story is a key part of the mind trap that causes
the behaviour - the abuse.

Apart from that, the xenu story- and the belief in it, is itself abusive. People up the top of the bridge who believe or even cannot totally disbelief have suffered psychological abuse.

 

[lionheart]

I was referring to the the press/tv here, Lionheart.

"Today/Tonight" did that program last year with Neo, which addressed some of the real issues. Since then, I've only seen three programs aired here, and they have been about Xenu.

When I saw it advertised, I was hoping for some meat on the CofS. I was disappointed.

I'm certainly not complaining about the program itself, it would put one off for sure, I just want more from the press here, and this has motivated me to get it.

Don't worry, it will be and is. Exposing a lie they have told publically is a valuable step.

Next their denying of issues raised by Neo, Mark and Jeff will be compared to their lie over OTIII. It will and is happening.

The KESQ-TV series is the most fantastic piece of journalism yet, as regards the cult and the message will spread across the news media.

It can be frustrating to see how slow this is - I've been watching it since the 80's and remember the Panorama programme and remember the frustration when nothing developed from it.

These are the most exciting times and activists all over the planet are chipping away like never before. A critical mass will be reached and the uproar will be unstoppable! :dancer:

 

[lionheart]

The xenu crap is what keeps people in. It is what makes members including SO members go along with their own abuse and take part in abusing others.

They would leave a lot earlier if "their eternity" was not at stake.

It is beliefs which it is all being done for.

The xenu story is a key part of the mind trap that causes
the behaviour - the abuse.

Apart from that, the xenu story- and the belief in it, is itself abusive. People up the top of the bridge who believe or even cannot totally disbelief have suffered psychological abuse.

Hooray! Well said!

The press will always carry the xenu nonsense, because it is interesting and shows the true nature of Ron's cult beliefs. Xenu is the key to the cult. The press will piggy back on that to stories of slave labour and abortions.

This is what happened with anonymous - initially they focussed on the xenu rubbish and ridiculed it. Then they looked deeper into the abuses and protested them. Xenu was the key!

All hail and power to Xenu! He will bring down the scn cult!

 

[Zinjifar]

Xenu is *important* for at least 2 reasons:

1) Scientology *made* him important by trying to hide him
2) Xenu is the *justification* for all the evil that Scientology commits. Xenu is the 'enemy'; Xenu is 'why' we *need* Scientology to fight him. Xenu is *why* Scientology needs to 'take over the world' whether it wants to be taken over or not. Xenu is why Scientology is a *movement* and Mankind's only Hope.

Zinj

 

[Alanzo]

Xenu is *important* for at least 2 reasons:

1) Scientology *made* him important by trying to hide him
2) Xenu is the *justification* for all the evil that Scientology commits. Xenu is the 'enemy'; Xenu is 'why' we *need* Scientology to fight him. Xenu is *why* Scientology needs to 'take over the world' whether it wants to be taken over or not. Xenu is why Scientology is a *movement* and Mankind's only Hope.

Zinj

Correct.

The fight against Xenu justifies all the abuses in Scientology.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Xenu is *important* for at least 2 reasons:

1) Scientology *made* him important by trying to hide him
2) Xenu is the *justification* for all the evil that Scientology commits. Xenu is the 'enemy'; Xenu is 'why' we *need* Scientology to fight him. Xenu is *why* Scientology needs to 'take over the world' whether it wants to be taken over or not. Xenu is why Scientology is a *movement* and Mankind's only Hope.

Zinj

How true ...

I still find it hard to believe that Blubby Hubbardy could not come up with something a bit more feasible than the "Xenu" fairytale ... one could almost believe that he was trying to kill the cult himself at that point by introducing such silliness but by then it had taken on a life of its own.

:confused2:

 

[lionheart]

How true ...

I still find it hard to believe that Blubby Hubbardy could not come up with something a bit more feasible than the "Xenu" fairytale ... one could almost believe that he was trying to kill the cult himself at that point by introducing such silliness but by then it had taken on a life of its own.

:confused2:

I think that by the time of his OTIII "breakthrough" Hubbard was so convinced of his rightness that he would believe any old nonsense that his imagination came up with. But he was also working on this as early as 1952 with his "Targs".

And he was always a bad SF writer who believed he was a good one.

By the mid sixties he probably believed his words had a strong power of command (power of SOURCE) over his slaves such that they would believe anything he believed and he actually was largely correct about this.

The way OTIII docs are written, it looks like he tossed the data off in a rapid un-checked manner - probably in some drug and/or magical trance. This would explain the lack of thoroughness in the data written down. He probably also used the e-meter as a psychic Oija board truth detector in his Xenu "breakthrough" like he did in '52 with his "targs" "research".

 

[Lohan2008]

TT

yeah, TodayTonight was slack as usual, they could have use the WHOLE 5 part series by KSQTV.. that would be be a real eye opener

 

[Alanzo]

Lionheart wrote:

...I think that by the time of his OTIII "breakthrough" Hubbard was so convinced of his rightness that he would believe any old nonsense that his imagination came up with....

I think that would be one of the features of "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"...

 

[Once bitten]

For the record, I am so over hearing about Xenu on tv and/or anywhere else. This might be an issue to some, but the real issue is being ignored.

The thing that irritates me the most about Scientology, and the thing that is the real issue in my mind, is the extent and the amount of the atrocities within and at the hands of the CofS. Eg: Fair gaming, disconnection, forced abortions, mal treatment of staff, human trafficking etc, etc, etc.

For goodness sake, we need to get some damn press on that - that's what we should be working on. I'm going to.

Carmel, I agree with you totally. I actually don't really care what people believe .... if they want to believe that the world is flat and that the moon is made of green cheese, then that's not a problem to me. What I find dispicable is the family break-ups, the slavery , and the mind control. The child abuse/neglect, and the human rights abuses.

This needs to be exposed now. I'm right behind you, Carmel. This is what the public needs to know.

 

[Megalomaniac]

Carmel, I agree with you totally. I actually don't really care what people believe .... if they want to believe that the world is flat and that the moon is made of green cheese, then that's not a problem to me. What I find dispicable is the family break-ups, the slavery , and the mind control. The child abuse/neglect, and the human rights abuses.

This needs to be exposed now. I'm right behind you, Carmel. This is what the public needs to know.

Me, three. I never did the OT levels. When I finally heard the OT 3 story on the internet, I was not very surprised. It's no more outlandish than the History of Man or many other non-confidential lectures. But when I found out about the coerced abortions, I was very surprised and angry.

 

[lionheart]

All I can do is advise patience.

The press will always highlight OTIII because of its sensational and controversial nature as regards Sf beliefs of Scns and scientology's attitude to other religions. You can't stop that, so don't waste your energy trying.

But it does highlight how the CofS lies about the xenu story and about the freedom of Scns to believe any religion.

Also these two aspects are very off-putting to most public, therefore exposure/ridicule does affect the number of new Scns. Therefore there are less women to have enforced abortions, less families to disconnect and fewer slaves. It's all good!

The press are starting to move on from OTIII to labour abuses, etc. Exes are speaking out increasingly in the media. Governments are taking an interest in the ways of the cult.

It might seem that things are moving slowly, but I have a 25 year plus perspective of being out and watching the press reaction to CofS and I can assure you that things are moving very quickly now compared to back then.

This last 15 months have seen a fantastic increase in exposure. The CofS is on a guaranteed route to failure.

Anyone who wants to influence things - just contact the TV companies like KESQ-TV and the Aussie one who does Today Tonight and tell them about the abuses that take place in the CofS. Join Anonymous in the streets and inform the public directly.

The CofS is collapsing before our eyes. Just needs a little patience and directed action from activists like us.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

I think that by the time of his OTIII "breakthrough" Hubbard was so convinced of his rightness that he would believe any old nonsense that his imagination came up with. But he was also working on this as early as 1952 with his "Targs".

And he was always a bad SF writer who believed he was a good one.

By the mid sixties he probably believed his words had a strong power of command (power of SOURCE) over his slaves such that they would believe anything he believed and he actually was largely correct about this.

The way OTIII docs are written, it looks like he tossed the data off in a rapid un-checked manner - probably in some drug and/or magical trance. This would explain the lack of thoroughness in the data written down. He probably also used the e-meter as a psychic Oija board truth detector in his Xenu "breakthrough" like he did in '52 with his "targs" "research".

amazing ... but yes, that's possibly the truth!

 

[Kha Khan]

The way OTIII docs are written, it looks like he tossed the data off in a rapid un-checked manner - probably in some drug and/or magical trance. This would explain the lack of thoroughness in the data written down. He probably also used the e-meter as a psychic Oija board truth detector in his Xenu "breakthrough" like he did in '52 with his "targs" "research".

This is the second post I've seen where you refer to the e-meter "as a psychic Oija board truth detector." I love it.

I suspect it went something like this.

Xenu and BTs, etc. read on the e-meter for Ron.

Therefore, Xenu and BTs, etc. must read for everyone. Period. End of discussion.

Ron believed in Xenu, BTs, etc. Therefore, everyone must believe in Xenu, BTs, etc.

The goal of Scientology is to clear the planet. To clear the planet, on all dynamics, requires that everyone complete OT8 and above. Everyone must believe in Xenu, BTs, etc.

 

[ULRC/S]

Hey Lionheart,
You may diss the concept of "Targs" but if you ever meet one in session, I suspect you'll have a little more respect.

Not a pleasnt occurrence the first time at least, bloody frightening more like it! I had to help a NOTs public through a Targ handling, and it was the most spooky thing I have ever done!

Regards, Allen

 

[Hatshepsut]

Hey Lionheart,
You may diss the concept of "Targs" but if you ever meet one in session, I suspect you'll have a little more respect.

Not a pleasnt occurrence the first time at least, bloody frightening more like it! I had to help a NOTs public through a Targ handling, and it was the most spooky thing I have ever done!

Regards, Allen

Oh, Please tell us the story. You can change the names to protect the innocent. We don't get those tales from the departed any more. From what I understand Targs are the muscled boogie men, the slave driven bad genies of Deep Space.

 

[lionheart]

This is the second post I've seen where you refer to the e-meter "as a psychic Oija board truth detector." I love it.

I suspect it went something like this.

Xenu and BTs, etc. read on the e-meter for Ron.

Therefore, Xenu and BTs, etc. must read for everyone. Period. End of discussion.

Ron believed in Xenu, BTs, etc. Therefore, everyone must believe in Xenu, BTs, etc.

The goal of Scientology is to clear the planet. To clear the planet, on all dynamics, requires that everyone complete OT8 and above. Everyone must believe in Xenu, BTs, etc.

Yes. I've mentioned this a couple of times. Nobody has replied addressing the contrary facts presented about what the meter is recording. This comes up in the book of meter drills and in the Date/Locate tech.

On the one hand we were told the needle fall represents "charge" or disagreement, yet in the meter drills like favourite food and in this Targs session and meter dating, the needle fall is interpreted as a "yes" answer or agreement.

Both these interpretations cannot be correct. Nobody has taken up this point.

From the Targs session it is clear MSH & LRH are using needle falls as verification of the truth or accuracy of Ron's verbal originations. He is using the meter like a oija board is used for yes/no answers.

So yes the description "psychic oija board truth detector" is deliberately used for amusement, but there is a serious point behind it.

Is the meter a mental charge detector or a psychic oija board?

Hey Lionheart,
You may diss the concept of "Targs" but if you ever meet one in session, I suspect you'll have a little more respect.

Not a pleasnt occurrence the first time at least, bloody frightening more like it! I had to help a NOTs public through a Targ handling, and it was the most spooky thing I have ever done!

Regards, Allen

I'm not "diss"ing Targs as a concept I am saying Ron's "research" as shown by that 1952 "auditing" demonstration is rubbish as a piece of research.

Even as a piece of Scn tech it is hopelessly squirrel and out-tech. Auditor code breaks by Mary Sue, putting the PCs attention on the meter, telling the PC what the meter is doing. PC asking auditor for verification from the meter. PC using the meter as an indicator of the "truth" of his origination rather than an indicator of charge, PC running the session. Etc etc.

This session is one of the few public records of how Ron did his "research" and it shows his "research" methods were nothing short of using the meter as a oija board.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Very good point re what is the meter reading on, LH. Is there a thread already devoted to this one single point? If not, there should be.

Paul

 

[Zinjifar]

There are a bunch of references variously.

Ouija is good, but, even more, and, more universally in Scn, the 'needle movement' is used like a 'pendulum divination', since the various 'movements' are interpreted as 'meaning' different things.

Zinj