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Today Tonight Melbourne Org Labour Abuse A Setup

Discussion in 'Australia & New Zealand' started by Secret Santa, Jan 23, 2009.

  1. Secret Santa

    Secret Santa New Member

    Working as a member of the film Industry in both Australia and the United States I am privey to a lot of secret goings on in the media.

    Part of what my company does is consult to all facets of the Industry.

    Two weeks before Today Tonight aired the story about child slavery in Scn Orgs, Today Tonight approached three major talent agencies in Melbourne looking for actors.

    Their request: They were looking for up to 5 young actors between the ages of 17 to 25 that had little or no knowledge of Scientology for a "reinactment". Their specification for young actors with little or no knowledg of Scn piqued my interest, so I enquired.

    When I contacted my contact at Channel 7 about the actor request, she said, and I quote, "Today Tonight want to do a story about companies employing child labour at under award wages".

    Not even channel 7 knew what the actual content of the story was the Jounalist was going to put to air. The fact the Journalist had been stopped by the Supreme Court from attacking Scientology for 5 years, and had one year left on his sentence, convinced channel 7 that the story wasn't going to be about Scn.

    All the journalist had to go on was a comment about the amount of pay we used to get at Melbourne Org.

    They set up a small unprofessional camera on a tripof a couple of days before at about 4:30pm and pretended to do short commercial shots with just a female model and cameraman, sliding further down the street in order to position themselves opposite the org.

    At about 5:15, the camera man enterered the org to do an OCA test, and evesdrop. The fact that the voice over by a young actor on TV indicated people and gave them the wrong names, made it all the funnier.

    As they had no new material except the exposes from the '80's, the editor added these as insert shots, had the actor read the autocue that was made up of transcriptions that were passed off as "new intelligence".

    Anyone who was at Melbourne, Adelaide, or Sydney orgs during the middle to late 80's, would've been intimately acquained with Scientologists that were radio announcers and journalists.

    I have personally met the head of "Anonymous" in Pennsylvania (the pixled face in the report, whose day job is a "special interest" producer for a TV morning show there and who comes on every so often as a "clinical psychiatrist" to give a give a profile evaluation of a defendant in major court cases.

    As my Jounalism professor once stated, "Jounalism is two-thirds creative writing, one-third actual quotes. Make a mountain out of a molehill inorder to engage the readers. When reading a newspaper it is intelligent to believe half of of what you read. It is brilliance to know which half to believe".
  2. ttamaad

    ttamaad Silver Meritorious Patron

    Welcome Santa, I trust you enjoy your stay

    I must ask, though, what you are trying to portray in your post? I fail to understand the point of it apart from saying that the media beat up a story... isn't that what they always do?

    It is a known fact that children are employed in scn and work, just as adults do, for extremely long hours and for little or no pay... all against labour laws in Australia

    Also, there is no "head" of anonymous... can you please clarify???
  3. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor

    Suggest you go into session and locate some somatics or pressures in yer space and handle them fast. Yer Bts are starting to freewheel. You might not mind, but please!! have some consideration for others! It's not a pretty sight.
  4. Neo

    Neo Silver Meritorious Patron

    Secret Satan

    Anyone foolish enough to believe this, then I suggest you reread through this thread:

    And rewatch these episodes for yourself:

    Part 1

    Part 2

    I can name each of those children in that show. I can name their parents. I can tell you where they live. I can tell you the names of their wog businesses. I can even tell you what Secret Santa's name is, and what staff position at the Melbourne Org they most likely hold.

    You are privy to nothing but the detritus dribbling out your mouth. LRH said the only way to control someone is to lie to them. Are you still drilling that here?

    Dont talk about what you know, produce the documents.

    Oh and the pixel face in the report is me genius. Pennsylvania is a long way from Melbourne.

    Why does everyone think that lying and fair game against honest people is so approporiate?


  5. Feral

    Feral Rogue male

    Hello Secret Santa,

    That's a funny Nick.

    Maybe you could ask Neo to name the under aged unpaid full time workers, or then you could just apologise.....your call.

    We both know that those kids weren't actors, remember "honesty and case gain"? You aren't really justified in doing and saying 'anything you want' 'cos we are just SPs' see, that's what the Nazis thought and it didn't work out for them either.
  6. Emma

    Emma Con te partirĂ² Administrator

    If you are talking about the piece Today Tonight did last year with Neo and David Graham, you are sadly mistaken.

    The Journalist had done many many stories on SCN over the previous 2 years with no "sentence" to complete. He filmed actual children of Scientology staff members entering the Org. I know because recognised some of them.

    I hope Neo will comment further.

    (edit) Neo posted before I completed my post.

  7. Once bitten

    Once bitten Patron Meritorious

    Hello Secret Santa

    I was on staff in the 80s in Sydney and I didn't know any journalists or TV people. We knew everyone who came in and what they did for a living. None of them was in the media.

    Good luck to you if you think that spreading lies around is going to help your cause. It hasn't helped the world in over 50 years, so what do you think your continued allegance to this corrupt orgamisation is going to get you?

    I'm sorry that you thought your lies were important enough to post.

    Unfortunately, some people think that it's ok for children to work in slave-like conditions, and stand by and do nothing about it. You are obviously one of them.

  8. Neo

    Neo Silver Meritorious Patron

    Well at the very least it has given me a chance to relive my 15 minutes. Wow, thanks Secret Santa.

    Last edited: Jan 23, 2009
  9. Neo

    Neo Silver Meritorious Patron

    Child labour abuse is not OK - Get your ethics in

    Some more information for my friend the Secret Santa:

    From Neo vs The Matrix, what I went through to film this story.
  10. Emma

    Emma Con te partirĂ² Administrator

    Do you think this is Mary?
  11. Feral

    Feral Rogue male

    You know as far as dead agents go you look about as dead as they get. This is very ironic considering you are attempting to DA something yourself.

    If your OSA minders fed you this you need to go back and tell them that they made you look like a horses ass, you don't have accurate data, what you have is what the SO call a 'shore story'. This is a plausible explanation that gets the Cofs out of a scrape. The CofS has been employing them to deceive the public since at least the inception of the Sea Org.

    There is no one outside the CofS who thinks Anons are run by Psychs yet if the CofS admits this they also have to admit that the world wants scientology as much as a canary want tits.

    It is also for this reason the CofS has to destroy the reputation of every single apostate with fabricated and exaggerated lies, the thing is it only works for the faithful,and serves to keep them in line yet each defaming story only serves to confirm the opinion the general public have about the cult like nature of scientology.

    You live in a web built of PR stories and half truths, only those 'in' can't see it.
    Last edited: Jan 23, 2009
  12. Neo

    Neo Silver Meritorious Patron

    Dead Agenting

    Dead Agenting

    Events involving ex-Scientologists or commentators critical of the movement (such as politicians, clergymen or anti-cult campaigners) often provide the spark which leads to a critical article appearing in the press. The credibility of such people is obviously of crucial importance if the story as a whole is to be credible - otherwise the media organisation concerned could find itself the subject of ridicule (as with Stern and the "Hitler Diaries") or a libel suit (too many cases to mention).

    L. Ron Hubbard's peculiar ideas on PR discourage Scientology PROs from giving direct answers to awkward questions ("never defend ..."). Instead, replies are "doubled curved" in a tactic described as "attacking the attacker", otherwise known as "Dead Agenting". The latter is yet another Hubbard-devised term, which has become synonymous with smear tactics. It is in fact a bastardization of one of Sun Tzu's precepts, first expressed around 500 BC. As Hubbard put it,

    So it is not simply a matter of attacking a person's character for the sake of it. It is, instead, all about destroying the person's reputation so that their credibility concerning matters related to Scientology is reduced or totally eliminated.

    This is where intelligence gathering plays a very important role. The internal OSA papers seized by the Greek Public Prosecutor in 1995 provide a unique insight into the preparation of a Dead Agenting campaign against Greece's foremost anti-cult campaigner, the late Father Alexios Alevizopoulos. The primary target of the September 1995 "558 Program" is given as "Priest Alevizopoulos investigated with his crimes exposed" - both intelligence and PR wrapped up in one objective. The target is subdivided into "Public Record Collection on Alevizopoulos" (the sort of records sought is outlined in the 1974 memorandum "The Source File"), getting "a PI [private investigator] to investigate Alevizopoulos ... to find any past and current crimes he is involved in" and getting Alevizopoulos' books studied and "handled". The end product of this was a Dead Agent pack, which was to be "forwarded to any person who needs to be informed on his real activities."

    The preparation of Dead Agent packs lay behind many of the Guardian Office's illegal activities against the US Government in the mid-1970s. GO 1361 directed that once documents had been obtained clandestinely from the US Internal Revenue Service and Department of Justice, the designated GO bureau and official would create "suitable cover" to disguise the manner in which "the data was obtained" so that they could be released to "PR for dead agenting." In other words, confidential government material which was unfavourable to Scientology would be turned against the government. This was precisely in line with Hubbard's own directives:


    More at the thread above.

  13. Consensus

    Consensus Patron with Honors


    It doesn't get any more entertaining than watching an OSA troll try to dead agent a report MONTHS after it's left the news, only to have the person that was interviewed in that report personally show up and completely destroy the dead agent document.

    Since the rest of you are filling the role of the polite and tactful dissenter, I'm just gunna say 'Nice try, fucktard. Did they trick you into lying here? Did you know the intel you were given was false? I don't suppose you'd like to place a wager on whether or not false info is being fed to you to keep you from blowing, would you?'
  14. Iknowtoomuch

    Iknowtoomuch Gold Meritorious Patron

    Oh man, I needed this thread.:lol:

    1866-XSEAORG, Please do yourself a favor.
  15. DCAnon

    DCAnon Silver Meritorious Patron

    I think that's possibly the best thing that has ever been said. LOL!

    I think this whole thing is kind of sad. I considered trolling the response because that's what I do best and it's funny, but such a weak, easily seen lie has such desperation around it that it actually made me feel bad! It's got to be a horrible and lonely world to live in where people are either all enemies out to get you or stupid wogs who aren't real human beings. I mean, you've got to be stressed and worried all the time living in a lie like that. I don't know if it's worse that they think we're all so beneath them and stupid out here in reality that we'd buy a weak dead agent try like that, or that they honestly and truly buy into it themselves. Whatever the case, it's a sucky existence for them and I'm glad I don't live in a Sci-fi conspiracy movie.
  16. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    Thank-you Secret Santa.

    And what a 15 minutes it was Neo!!!!!

    I remember every moment vividly ... how lovely of Secret Santa to 'rehab' it for us .... and all the new members and lurkers that may not have seen it can enjoy it too.

    Your stats are up SS (here at least ... not so sure your handlers will be pleased with your first effort :lol: .... you may even cop a condition's trip for your troubles ... still, you get that where you lurk.

    PS Can't WAIT for your second post ...
    Last edited: Jan 23, 2009
  17. Mrs Pattycake

    Mrs Pattycake Patron with Honors

    Dear SS,

    If you are trying to impress others with your professional qualifications and experience in the media - please do remember to spell check before you submit, so you don't look totally unprofessional - it's something that anyone with media experience would always do. :duh:

    Oh and do try and get the facts 33 % correct - per your own quote - that always helps ! If you had lurked here for any time at all you would know that we all know it was NEO on the Today Tonight and he knew the kids being filmed (by name) as Scientologist.

    Once again we applaud you Neo - :clap: :clap: :clap:

    And predictably the C of S fires yet another footbullet :yes:
  18. Carmel

    Carmel Crusader

    Hey Neo,

    Be sure to drop Brian Seymour a line, showing him what "someone" :)giggle:) is saying, about him and the report aired on Channel 7.

    More press potentially - all good! :happydance:

  19. Div6

    Div6 Crusader

    Oh my! Is dat sum OSA DeadAgenting tech?

    Too bad the OSA droids have been mis-hatted. They left PR Series 2 "The Missing Ingredient" off of their hat pack checksheets! It is this omission that allows them to believe that lying is "tech". If they had to apply PR series 2, they coulde no longer "manufacture crimes".

    Thanks for the demonstration of the CoS Fail tech. Its what makes the job of critic so rewarding.........
  20. HCObringOrder?

    HCObringOrder? Silver Meritorious Patron

    Ex-Scn Tech at work.

    Thank you Leo and all.
    This was impressive to see.
    Ex-Scn tech works!