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Tom Cruise has been distancing himself from Scientology

Leland

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Well yes but that was a long time ago -- way back in his halcyon days of relatively unfettered blather. Now he has learned to stay quiet but there is a world of difference between distancing oneself from Scientology and distancing oneself from talking about Scientology. They conveniently left those two words out to change the meaning into something far more interesting. Too bad it's only inside the mind of the writer (for a second) to meet his/her quota of celeb BS for the day and not at all a reality.

I have no idea what is happening currently....but I had assumed TC was called out to recruit, when the big guns were needed....

I recall back in the late 1990's when that British Soccer Star...Bekum, and his Star Wife....from that English girl group....moved to Los Angeles.....

Newspapers were talking about how they were paling around with TC..and such. And the rumors around Pac Base were that TC was going to get Bekum to join the Cult of Hubbard.

I had thought also that TC had something to do with Will Smith getting into the Cult....but don't have any docs on that.
 

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Well yes but that was a long time ago -- way back in his halcyon days of relatively unfettered blather. Now he has learned to stay quiet but there is a world of difference between distancing oneself from Scientology and distancing oneself from talking about Scientology. They conveniently left those two words out to change the meaning into something far more interesting. Too bad it's only inside the mind of the writer (for a second) to meet his/her quota of celeb BS for the day and not at all a reality.


You nailed it!

Add to that the simple & obvious fact that Cruise has famously failed at every attempt to disseminate Scientology and those grandiose events each sent his career and case spiraling.

Let's remember just a few:

Cruise disseminates the anti-Psychiatry tech to Matt Lauer
RESULT: National viewing public and media hate Cruise and his "tech"

Cruise disseminates the Bridge to Nicole Kidman
RESULT: Nicole becomes a Scientologist, then blows.

Cruise disseminates to Katie Holmes
RESULT: Katie becomes a Scientologist, then blows

Cruise insists he'll "handle" Spielberg's wife with his tech (e.g. 3rd party, ethics, et al)
RESULT: Spielberg & his wife both refuse to meet with him, pull the plug socially and don't cast him in a movie after that.

Cruise disseminates KSW Scientology on the infamous black turtleneck viral video
RESULT: Scientology instantly becomes rejected, reviled & ridiculed around the world.​

There are a lot more examples, but you get the idea. Every time Cruise takes his tone 40 certainty and his verbal sound effects (Pfffffffffffffffffttttttttttttt!!!!) and madly tries to bring Dr. Hubbard's salvation technology to planet earth, Scientology is badly damaged, as is his own career.

In short, Cruise the OT keeps getting the complete OPPOSITE of his postulates. The situation is 100 times worse than if he had done absolutely NOTHING! That's kinda not OT. LOL.
 

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The problem here is that members of the CofS are required to be either Sea Org, Staff or Public and if Public, as Tom Cruise is, then they are required to be Field Staff Members.

One of the main duties of a Field Staff Member is to disseminate Scientology and bring new people in. This isn't optional.

As KSW Series 1 says: "The whole agonized future of this planet, every Man, Woman and Child on it, and your own destiny for the next endless trillions of years depend on what you do here and now with and in Scientology."

Therefore if Cruise and Travolta and anyone else is just keeping it to themselves they should be hauled into Ethics as I used to be when I was a so-called Field Staff Member.
 

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The problem here is that members of the CofS are required to be either Sea Org, Staff or Public and if Public, as Tom Cruise is, then they are required to be Field Staff Members.

One of the main duties of a Field Staff Member is to disseminate Scientology and bring new people in. This isn't optional.

As KSW Series 1 says: "The whole agonized future of this planet, every Man, Woman and Child on it, and your own destiny for the next endless trillions of years depend on what you do here and now with and in Scientology."

Therefore if Cruise and Travolta and anyone else is just keeping it to themselves they should be hauled into Ethics as I used to be when I was a so-called Field Staff Member.

R-FACTOR TO SCIENTOLOGISTS: "The whole agonized future of this planet, every Man, Woman and Child on it, and your own destiny for the next endless trillions of years depend on what you do here and now with and in Scientology." But life is a game and you shouldn't be serious. Just because your agonized future for endless future trillions of years is lost unless you somehow, against impossible odds, make it go right--something that you and all the people who have ever lived have not been able to do during the previous trillions of year--but don't stress out about it. Have fun!
 

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R-FACTOR TO SCIENTOLOGISTS: "The whole agonized future of this planet, every Man, Woman and Child on it, and your own destiny for the next endless trillions of years depend on what you do here and now with and in Scientology." But life is a game and you shouldn't be serious. Just because your agonized future for endless future trillions of years is lost unless you somehow, against impossible odds, make it go right--something that you and all the people who have ever lived have not been able to do during the previous trillions of year--but don't stress out about it. Have fun!

Woo hoo!! If it's not agonising fun, it's not Scientology!!!!!!1
 

Sindy

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R-FACTOR TO SCIENTOLOGISTS: "The whole agonized future of this planet, every Man, Woman and Child on it, and your own destiny for the next endless trillions of years depend on what you do here and now with and in Scientology." But life is a game and you shouldn't be serious. Just because your agonized future for endless future trillions of years is lost unless you somehow, against impossible odds, make it go right--something that you and all the people who have ever lived have not been able to do during the previous trillions of year--but don't stress out about it. Have fun!

Life is hell and you're fucked. Splurge on it!
 

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Life is hell and you're fucked. Splurge on it!

LOLOLOLOL. Perfect capture of a Scientology "R-Factor".

They should be called "I-Factors". Intimidation Factors.

Another Scn R-Factor. . .


"You, my dear friend, are trapped in a endlessly downward spiraling nightmare. Your only very slight chance of not spending the rest of eternity in sheer agony is to pay all your money to Scientology and do what they tell you. At some point you will get out of the trap. You won't know when you are out of the trillions year old trap, but a highly trained MEST trap specialist called a "Case Supervisor" will let you know when it happens by asking you if you want to attest. If you successfully attest, you will still feel pretty much the same as when you started Scientology and were fully in the trap, with one notable difference--you will now have a very large certificate that will help remind you that you are no longer in the trap. And if you surround yourself with just Scientologists, they won't ever invalidate that you escaped the MEST trap, so that'll help you build more certainty in your own mind that you are out of the MEST trap. Once you are thusly out of the physical universe trap, you will be responsible to donate large sums of money to the church in order to help other beings get certificates too."
 

DagwoodGum

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I have no idea what is happening currently....but I had assumed TC was called out to recruit, when the big guns were needed....

I recall back in the late 1990's when that British Soccer Star...Bekum, and his Star Wife....from that English girl group....moved to Los Angeles.....

Newspapers were talking about how they were paling around with TC..and such. And the rumors around Pac Base were that TC was going to get Bekum to join the Cult of Hubbard.

I had thought also that TC had something to do with Will Smith getting into the Cult....but don't have any docs on that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KZsdOwceYY
 

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I have no idea what is happening currently....but I had assumed TC was called out to recruit, when the big guns were needed....

I recall back in the late 1990's when that British Soccer Star...Bekum, and his Star Wife....from that English girl group....moved to Los Angeles.....

Newspapers were talking about how they were paling around with TC..and such. And the rumors around Pac Base were that TC was going to get Bekum to join the Cult of Hubbard.

I had thought also that TC had something to do with Will Smith getting into the Cult....but don't have any docs on that.


Thanks for reminding everyone of those major recruit projects that failed miserably.

It also reminds me of Hubbard's list of Hollywood luminaries that he wanted Scientologists to recruit into Scientology. Hubbard listed out the richest and most powerful of course (Walt Disney, Howard Hughes, John Wayne.....) and organized Scientologists to "hunt" their "quarry" and bring them in for auditing.


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Naturally like all of Hubbard's grandiose plans (except the one to make money for himself) PROJECT CELEBRITY didn't work.

Likewise, Cruise and Celebrity Center International went after mega-wealthy and popular soccer star David Beckem. FAIL!

And Cruise went after another one of his (then) best friends, billionaire James Packer, son and heir to media tycoon billionaire dad, Kerry Packer. FAIL!

Cruise also worked on Will Smith, who donated millions to start a Scientology School. The school failed. And the Smith-on-the-Bridge project too. FAIL!

There have been other such megawatt celebrities that the church has tried to recruit over the past couple decades such as the Lisa Marie Presley project to get Michael Jackson and his (then) billion dollars into the cult. FAIL!

Come to think of it, I cannot think of even one big celebrity that has been recruited into the cult since Cruise and Travolta, decades ago. Not even one! Can anyone even IMAGINE the degree of difficulty of trying to convince a Hollywood celebrity to:

* Sign up for membership in a Church whose teachings are so secretive you can't even know what they are until years after you join and spend hundreds of thousands of dollars.

* Join a Religion that 99% of the people who once were dedicated to it, blew--never to return.

* Agree to disclose deeply embarrassing personal secrets in "confessionals" which are videotaped AND written down in detail, the records of which belong to the cult and you can never access them or take possession of them.

* Participate in an organization that has been brutally exposed on the internet as an outrageous for-profit fraud.

* Contribute their endorsement to a paramilitary organization whose former members and elite executives have blown the whistle on, revealing wide-scale human rights violations, physical assaults, kidnapping, imprisonment, psychological torture, terrorism and felonious "fair game" black operations that will go to literally any lengths to destroy innocent people for simply revealing the truth about what crimes Scientology is engaged in.

* Spend years and not less than a half million dollars to go "Clear" and "OT", two states that well known (internet and books) to be an absurd hoax dreamed up by Hubbard.

* Expose themselves as celebrities and their reputations and career to all of the worldwide attacks against Scientology in books, magazines, newspapers, television shows, documentaries, feature films and in ever corner of the worldwide internet. What celebrity would be willing to commit career suicide by linking themselves to one of the most hated & ridiculed cults in existence?


Imagine a celebrity that began to openly promote their interest in Scientology and what the thunderous reaction would be of their AGENT and MANAGER and the CASTING DIRECTORS and FILM DIRECTORS and PRODUCERS and STUDIO EXECUTIVES and FILM FINANCIERS and FILM DISTRIBUTORS. Tom Cruise has virtually RUINED the path for other Scientology celebrities to join by ensuring that he acted so insane and cultish and arrogant that nobody in their right mind would want to identify themselves as a member of that ridiculous cult.

Well, I guess we should give Mr. Cruise a huge THANKS! for contributing so very greatly to the cults collapse. In a way, Miscavige was kind of right when he claimed Cruise was the "most dedicated Scientologist" in the world. Because Scientologists are, by default, self-destructive and destructive to their own beloved church. .
 
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Sindy

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Thanks for reminding everyone of those major recruit projects that failed miserably.

It also reminds me of Hubbard's list of Hollywood luminaries that he wanted Scientologists to recruit into Scientology. Hubbard listed out the richest and most powerful of course (Walt Disney, Howard Hughes, John Wayne.....) and organized Scientologists to "hunt" their "quarry" and bring them in for auditing.


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So creepy this write up. What the hell? The fact that he thought that was worthy and acceptable communication to publish and issue, speaks volumes about him. What an ass.
 

Little David

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I like this old interview that puts Cruise and to a lesser extent Spielberg on the spot for trying promote Scientology on the set of their movie. This particular blunder by Cruise probably had a lot to do with him becoming less overt in his promotion of Scientology:

SPIEGEL: We visited one of your locations near Los Angeles and were amazed to find a fully staffed tent of the Scientology organization right next to the food tents for the journalists and extras.

Cruise:
What were you amazed about?

SPIEGEL:
Why do you go so extremely public about your personal convictions?

Cruise:
I believe in freedom of speech. I felt honored to have volunteer Scientology ministers on the set. They were helping the crew. When I'm working on a movie, I do anything I can to help the people I'm spending time with. I believe in communication.

SPIEGEL:
The tent of a sect at someone's working place still seems somewhat strange to us. Mr. Spielberg, did that tent strike you as unusual?

Spielberg:
I saw it as an information tent. No one was compelled to frequent it, but it was available for anybody who had an open mind and was curious about someone else's belief system.

Cruise:
The volunteer Scientology ministers were there to help the sick and injured. People on the set appreciated that. I have absolutely nothing against talking about my beliefs. But I do so much more. We live in a world where people are on drugs forever. Where even children get drugged. Where crimes against humanity are so extreme that most people turn away in horror and dismay. Those are the things that I care about. I don't care what someone believes. I don't care what nationality they are. But if someone wants to get off drugs, I can help them. If someone wants to learn how to read, I can help them. If someone doesn't want to be a criminal anymore, I can give them tools that can better their life. You have no idea how many people want to know what Scientology is.

SPIEGEL:
Do you see it as your job to recruit new followers for Scientology?

Cruise:
I'm a helper. For instance, I myself have helped hundreds of people get off drugs. In Scientology, we have the only successful drug rehabilitation program in the world. It's called Narconon.

SPIEGEL:
That's not correct. Yours is never mentioned among the recognized detox programs. Independent experts warn against it because it is rooted in pseudo science.

Cruise:
You don't understand what I am saying. It's a statistically proven fact that there is only one successful drug rehabilitation program in the world. Period.

SPIEGEL:
With all due respect, we doubt that. Mr. Cruise, you made studio executives, for example from Paramount, tour Scientology's "Celebrity Center" in Hollywood. Are you trying to extend Scientology's influence in Hollywood?

Cruise:
I just want to help people. I want everyone to do well.

Spielberg:
I often get asked similar questions about my Shoa Foundation. I get asked why I am trying to disseminate my deep belief in creating more tolerance through my foundation's teaching the history of the Holocaust in public schools. I believe that you shouldn't be allowed to attend college without having taken a course in tolerance education. That should be an important part of the social studies curriculum.

SPIEGEL:
Mr. Spielberg, are you comparing the educational work of the Shoa Foundation with what Scientology does?

Spielberg:
No, I'm not. Tom told you what he believes in, and after that I told you what I believe in. This is not a comparison between the Church of Scientology, the Shoa Foundation and the Holocaust. I was only showing you that some of us in Hollywood have set out to do more than just be actors or directors. Some of us have very personal missions. In Tom's case, it's his church, and in my case, it's the Shoa Foundation, where I'm trying to help other people learn about the mortal dangers of pure hatred.

SPIEGEL:
How do you set about doing that?

Spielberg:
I think that the only way we're going to teach young people not to kill each other is by showing them the reports by the survivors of the Holocaust -- so that they can tell them in their own words man's inhumanity to man. How they were hated. How they were displaced from their homes. How their families were wiped out and how by some miracle they themselves survived all that.

Cruise:
How did the Holocaust start? People are not born to be intolerant of others. People are not born bigots and racists. It is educated into them.

Spiegel:
Mr. Cruise, as you know, Scientology has been under federal surveillance in Germany. Scientology is not considered a religion there, but rather an exploitative cult with totalitarian tendencies.

Cruise:
The surveillance is nothing like as strict anymore. Any you know why? Because the intelligence authorities never found anything. Because there was nothing to find. We've won over 50 court cases in Germany. And it's not true that everyone in Germany supports that line against us. Whenever I go to Germany, I have incredible experiences. I always meet very generous and extraordinary people. A minority wants to hate -- okay.

SPIEGEL:
There is a difference between hate and having a critical perspective.

Cruise:
For me, it's connected with intolerance.

SPIEGEL:
In the past, for example when "Mission: Impossible" (1996) came out, German politicians called for a boycott of your movies. Are you worried that your support for Scientology could hurt your career?

Cruise:
Not at all. I've always been very outspoken. I've been a Scientologist for 20 years. If someone is so intolerant that he doesn't want to see a Scientologist in a movie, then he shouldn't go to the movie theater. I don't care. Here in the United States, Scientology is a religion. If some of the politicians in your country don't agree with that, I couldn't care less.

Spiegel:
Do you think "War of the Worlds" is a religious movie? H.G. Wells praised the wisdom of the creator for creating even bacteria, because in his story the microbes are the ones who finally finish off the aliens. The 1953 movie version even moved the final showdown inside a church.

Spielberg:
I think people will either find their personal beliefs confirmed, or they won't. But in particular, they'll be scared and duck under their seat and say afterwards that it was a great experience. We both consciously decided not to end this movie inside a church, a synagogue or a mosque.

Cruise:
It's simply not that kind of story.

SPIEGEL:
Mr. Cruise, Mr. Spielberg, thank you very much for this interview.

http://www.spiegel.de/international...fs-in-the-church-of-scientology-a-353577.html
 
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beltway

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"hunt", "game", "bring one of them home"...

Hubbard is the master, his marks are dogs.

"Finance, your pay, your expenses are up to you. Obviously, at whatever future date, the investment will repay itself some dozens of times"

"If you bring one of them home you will get a small plaque as your reward"

Even a dog deserves a better reward than that.
 

WildKat

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"hunt", "game", "bring one of them home"...

Hubbard is the master, his marks are dogs.

"Finance, your pay, your expenses are up to you. Obviously, at whatever future date, the investment will repay itself some dozens of times"

"If you bring one of them home you will get a small plaque as your reward"

Even a dog deserves a better reward than that.

Yes, using words like "hunt" and "game" and "quarry" - very disturbing. I wonder if Tom Cruise knew he was thought of as "quarry that was hunted and brought home". How lovely!
 

Northern Shewolf

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Re: Tom Cruise has been distancing himself from Scientologyamm

Tom Cruise has been distancing himself from Scientology

Perhaps he needs to do the Botox rundown?

Just going by the new press portraits of movie * "l'autre petite crotte de nez", both fat fillers and botox OTherapy have been applied. The British yellow press rocks, many pics.
Paris Match is too provincial by far. They seem to hsve decided that none of this controversy matters....only Tom Cruise, il est divin!....It is probably fair to say that career-wise a past-pinacle moment is at hand for the Most Dedicated $cientologist, Freedumb saucer-sized medal winner!........How is that shit wearing out, is it really working for you?.....:no: Bet you that your social environment is real small, and de pendent.....:unsure:
Poor T. C. too big and way too small all at one.....Go ask Alice.

:yes:
 

Northern Shewolf

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Why don't he buy himself a blue[STRIKE]motorhome[/STRIKE] winnebago and get lost in the desert ???

That what's his humanitarian guru, the one who is There would do! :confused2:

Edit: I forgot and get a few slaves to look after his ''sacred'' meat body!

Parasitic lifestyles once acheived are very difficult to, never mind acknowledge, but just let go of.
Lots of food for thought here.
Pressures are being exerted from inside the machinery of the industry....anyhoo, as far as L.A. is concerned' strickly wait and see...Asia still likes that T. C. does his own danger-filled-stunts it is unimportant for the illiterate Indian, Malasian, Indonesian what the dialogue is about: they just love the action!
But any dream of ending a career in film with full accolades from all sectors of American Entertainment at large has now vanished for good!
Just saying.:eyeroll:
 

catarina

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Thanks for reminding everyone of those major recruit projects that failed miserably.

It also reminds me of Hubbard's list of Hollywood luminaries that he wanted Scientologists to recruit into Scientology. Hubbard listed out the richest and most powerful of course (Walt Disney, Howard Hughes, John Wayne.....) and organized Scientologists to "hunt" their "quarry" and bring them in for auditing.


project-celebrity-1955-l-ron-hubbard.png

There are many profound things that could be said regarding this, but all I can think about right now is what if they had successfully recruited Groucho Marx? :coolwink:
 

Cat's Squirrel

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There are many profound things that could be said regarding this, but all I can think about right now is what if they had successfully recruited Groucho Marx? :coolwink:

:) They wouldn't have, because he had the perfect defence; he wouldn't join a cult (club) that would have him as a member (one of the few Groucho sayings I know).
 
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Yes, using words like "hunt" and "game" and "quarry" - very disturbing. I wonder if Tom Cruise knew he was thought of as "quarry that was hunted and brought home". How lovely!


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