Tom Cruise has lured my friend into Scientology
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Claire Swazey
Spokeshole, fence sitter
I prefer to (not that I always succeed!) at least try to take contributors on face value. As I said, I don't always succeed, but I feel it's worth a try.
Why not just take Jenn on faith? Even if there was something else going on, even if she happened to be disingenuous (and I'm by no means convinced of that and I'm not interested in going there), so what? You're all internet savvy people. You already know that you wouldn't ever provide any sensitive private info to someone you didn't know IRL (and sometimes not even then, right?). And if nobody's asking for anything like that, then you've got no risk whatsoever talking to them. What does it hurt to just talk politely to her or ignore her if one is not comfortable with the former choice?
Even if she weren't fo' realz, there's still much to be discussed about Tom Cruise, celebs getting people in, how fucked up it is to be on staff. Lurkers may benefit.
Jenn, if you and your friend are fo' realz, I wish you the best. If not, then I wish the best to anyone going through anything like you've depicted. (ouch! bad grammar alert!) Because there are situations like that out there.
Why not just take Jenn on faith? Even if there was something else going on, even if she happened to be disingenuous (and I'm by no means convinced of that and I'm not interested in going there), so what? You're all internet savvy people. You already know that you wouldn't ever provide any sensitive private info to someone you didn't know IRL (and sometimes not even then, right?). And if nobody's asking for anything like that, then you've got no risk whatsoever talking to them. What does it hurt to just talk politely to her or ignore her if one is not comfortable with the former choice?
Even if she weren't fo' realz, there's still much to be discussed about Tom Cruise, celebs getting people in, how fucked up it is to be on staff. Lurkers may benefit.
Jenn, if you and your friend are fo' realz, I wish you the best. If not, then I wish the best to anyone going through anything like you've depicted. (ouch! bad grammar alert!) Because there are situations like that out there.
Anonycat
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It seems everyone else does too. Unless things get farther and farther from believable on various levels, then good faith becomes eroded.
Sassy
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Jenn, looks like it may be too late for your friend. You mentioned "he was married at the time" he met your friend. That was about 6 months ago, so I guess you were right, that she wasn't interested in dating him. Surely she would have gotten her vibe out that she wanted to date him?
http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/tom_cruise_takes_year_old_queens_VVSKY9SbX2eMzANAlUFKpO
p.s. Tom really falls hard & fast for a gal, doesn't he??? (I know this drawn-out topic/postings are past their expiration date, but I couldn't resist)
http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/tom_cruise_takes_year_old_queens_VVSKY9SbX2eMzANAlUFKpO
p.s. Tom really falls hard & fast for a gal, doesn't he??? (I know this drawn-out topic/postings are past their expiration date, but I couldn't resist)
Type4_PTS
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Exactly!
I took Jenn on faith until she began saying things that didn't make sense or saying things in one post that contradicted her other posts. Too many red flags.
secretiveoldfag
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Oh Lordie the troll has won another round...
I find this story hard to believe? Understatement of the last few minutes.
I find it hard to believe Tom Cruise can still pull a bird across a crowded room when his cult buddies have to pimp for him. And when he has recently declined to meet the public and yet has hours to spend in a one-to-one with an unknown female. Give me a break.
I find it totally impossible to believe that a beautiful experienced and quite unbelievable woman in her thirties finds David Miscavige attractive sexually.
This is a propaganda campaign. OP is saying: Here is this hypothetical perfect woman and if she finds Scientology and its poster boys irresistible, then none of the slanders and lies propagated about them on the Web can possibly be true. The Church is a place for all beautiful people who are silly enough to believe its claims and Misavige and Cruise are its prophets.
There's nothing to prove it's a hoax? There is not a scrap of evidence or probability that a word of anything posted by Jenn the Wunderkind is true.
But this thread shows again how kind and correct the Exes on ESMB are. So concerned and helpful. I'm sure such goodness will be rewarded.
Anonycat
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She said she was in the OP.
Moosejewels
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This thread reads like bad fiction.
I apologize if I'm being unfairly judgemental, but this thread doesn't wash.
:confused2:
I apologize if I'm being unfairly judgemental, but this thread doesn't wash.
:confused2:
Anonycat
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Jenn said that they met a couple months ago - which would put this Midwest gal in London in October.
secretiveoldfag
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secretiveoldfag
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Claire, most people on this thread have been unbelievably nice to "Jenn". I don't believe he has been in good faith or even credible but they have answered every question, right down to not knowing who COB was. You have nothing to reproach yourself. But it is difficult to persist believing in someone who shows no credible features. I have read dozens of heart-break stories - you may have read hundreds - and I think I recognise the true stories. This is not one of them.
I think it is in its way an important thread but for entirely different reasons. It's not every day we have a JennWonderful original. I wonder if we will ever see his like again. Please, Jenn, keep in touch and let us know how it all pans out.
Yours
Hooked
Claire Swazey
Spokeshole, fence sitter
I hate to say this but I used to have a crush on him...something about dem little guyz...
But, you'll be happy to know that I'm over it now.
Moosejewels
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Mick Wenlock
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If memory serves me, didn't Rosie O'Donnell have a crush on Tom ?
actually I thought the story was that she gave him a lap dance and crushed him.
NoName
A Girl Has No Name
If memory serves me, didn't Rosie O'Donnell have a crush on Tom ?
Isn't she gay?
Random guy
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Jenny, I'll take you on your word. What I have to say won't matter much anyway if you aren't telling us the truth.
As others have told you, OSA by now should know who your friend and you are. They are a bit short of staff these days as the cult is crumbling on several fronts and some of their old sins are starting to catch up with them in courts, but Tom Cruise is the cults golden boy, and they watch him carefully.
Your friend will at some point be given an ultimatum: to "handle" you (i.e get you to agree with the cult), disconnect from you or pack up her things and leave and never look back.
If she chooses the first option, you will have a chance to talk to her, but don't expect to get her to take in much of what you says. She will be on the warpath for the cult, and will blow all your arguments off as lies and "enthetha" (evil thoughts).
If she chooses to disconnect, she will probably tell you so herself. The only thing you can do is to offer to be there for her should she ever want to talk to you. It doesn't sound like much, but in some instances it's the smallest things that affect the outcome.
If she's thrown out, you have done her and yourself a great service, and while she may be furious at you, you can pat yourself on the shoulder for a job well done.
In the mean time, you should do the following:
- Get a small, cheap video camera and keep it with you at all times.
- Get an anonymous e-mail account and make yourself comfortable with this boards and others. Lurk, read and and only post using sock accounts if you want to hide your identity.
- Read up on scientology as much as you can, and educate others (particularly you family and co-workers). Pay particular attention to "fair game".
In one of your postings you wrote that you know her family. If I were you, I would get in touch with them right away and tell them that she's on her way into scientology. If you do not have much traction with her, maybe they will. At least, that way they will have a chance to educate themselves before her new direction in life start influencing their lives.
Best of luck
An anon
As others have told you, OSA by now should know who your friend and you are. They are a bit short of staff these days as the cult is crumbling on several fronts and some of their old sins are starting to catch up with them in courts, but Tom Cruise is the cults golden boy, and they watch him carefully.
Your friend will at some point be given an ultimatum: to "handle" you (i.e get you to agree with the cult), disconnect from you or pack up her things and leave and never look back.
If she chooses the first option, you will have a chance to talk to her, but don't expect to get her to take in much of what you says. She will be on the warpath for the cult, and will blow all your arguments off as lies and "enthetha" (evil thoughts).
If she chooses to disconnect, she will probably tell you so herself. The only thing you can do is to offer to be there for her should she ever want to talk to you. It doesn't sound like much, but in some instances it's the smallest things that affect the outcome.
If she's thrown out, you have done her and yourself a great service, and while she may be furious at you, you can pat yourself on the shoulder for a job well done.
In the mean time, you should do the following:
- Get a small, cheap video camera and keep it with you at all times.
- Get an anonymous e-mail account and make yourself comfortable with this boards and others. Lurk, read and and only post using sock accounts if you want to hide your identity.
- Read up on scientology as much as you can, and educate others (particularly you family and co-workers). Pay particular attention to "fair game".
In one of your postings you wrote that you know her family. If I were you, I would get in touch with them right away and tell them that she's on her way into scientology. If you do not have much traction with her, maybe they will. At least, that way they will have a chance to educate themselves before her new direction in life start influencing their lives.
Best of luck
An anon
HelluvaHoax!
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Exactly!
I took Jenn on faith until she began saying things that didn't make sense or saying things in one post that contradicted her other posts. Too many red flags.
Microcosm of Scientology.
Someone arrives with "data" and everyone I saw (me too) take in on good faith to be true.
Then the smoke starts seeping out (mirrors too). A few scattered polite coughs are heard. Then billows begin to fill the room. Folks commence to coughing and choking at different intervals, depending on their tolerance for toxic fumes.
Some steadfastly remain inside "taking people at face value", like Claire, who is still posting that everyone is the same everywhere.
As I have said before, when Hubbard first said he "nearly got run over by a freight train on Venus the other day" somebody (me for example) should have stood up and exclaimed "BULLSHIT!"
It's the Scientology Dilemma--they think it is a test of "theta" and "tone level" and "goodness" to withstand any onslaught of lies and deceit as long as they don't "invalidate" the person spewing it.
The terror of offending or "disagreeing" or being "critical" runs deep in Scientology. It's how people like Hubbard enslaved Scientologists. Even the worst word over at Indie World that they can hurl at ESMB posters is "Hater"--an emotion that is quite appropriate when facing treachery, lies and fraud.
When I look at this thread, all the reactions were quite polite at the beginning (mine too) but the poster is running games and there is nothing wrong in saying it.
What are we supposed to be? Stupid? And just listen to this poorly crafted tale that is riddled with goofy and inconsistent amateurish story telling elements. I spent enough years as a professional writer to recognize bad fiction. When I was a teenager and much more naive I had very little ability to recognize Hubbard's (sci) fiction, but i am better at these things now. Much better. LOL (thank God)
If it's not plainly visible to some that this thread is a hoax, you will not be getting a good grade and probably have to attend summer school or be put back a year. LOL
HelluvaHoax!
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Yeah. This thread is an IQ test.
An "I Quit" test to see how much scamming and BS an Ex-Scientologist is still able to swallow with their TRs in before they simply yell "I Quit!" and call the hoax for the awful toxic BS that it is ("without sorrow" LOL).
Anonycat
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All I'm missing now is for TT to be declared in an upstat condition.
OperatingSP
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Just a quick question. Does anyone know which program(s) create these
and markup tags? Apparently, not the editor for this forum because they aren't resolved into anything. As indicated above, I noticed them in some of Jenn's comments and wondered where they might have come from.
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