Tom Cruise: New $100 Mil Film Has No US Premiere

The Great Zorg

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Does anyone believe/know that Cruise knows about the abuses?

He must... after all, he is not dumb and stupid. Of course, he probably IS in a state of denial like the rest of us were, always finding excuses to explain the contradictions and uselessness of $cientology as a whole.
 

RebtGenius

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I would concede that Tom Cruise is a very energetic, dynamic, and adept actor. I'm particularly fond of his work in Risky Business, Rain Man, and Vanilla Sky (which I rate as one of my all-time favorite films). However, I just can't cough up the dough to watch his performances for two primary reasons:

1) I can't mentally dissociate Tom Cruise the actor from Tom Cruise the villainous enabler and advocate of David Miscavige. He must live in an alternate universe if COB is one of the most compassionate and caring people he's ever met.

2) It's a totally unnecessary expenditure of funds, which helps bolster status quo Scientology and its myriad human rights abuses. I'm voting with my wallet when I pay to watch Cruise perform. I don't want my money to trickle down to Scientology and help fund its abuses.

Jeffrey
 

The Great Zorg

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1) I can't mentally dissociate Tom Cruise the actor from Tom Cruise the villainous enabler and advocate of David Miscavige. He must live in an alternate universe if COB is one of the most compassionate and caring people he's ever met.
2) It's a totally unnecessary expenditure of funds, which helps bolster status quo Scientology and its myriad human rights abuses. I'm voting with my wallet when I pay to watch Cruise perform. I don't want my money to trickle down to Scientology and help fund its abuses.
Jeffrey

I tend to agree with both items.
 

anondelmundial

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Seems somewhat unfair about Cruise directly....but the movie looks pretty bad.

What is unfair about Cruise directly? He deliberately, with some kind of forethought, went balls to the wall in his "Davies best friend forever Scientologist mode" on public television. This alone, not even counting the leak of his private performances for Scientologists, made his career a complete shambles. His over-the-top excesses regarding Katie was the icing on the cake of his meltdown as a credible actor and, indecently, as a credible person as well.

...and this was four years ago...

Tom's major fan base, women of advanced age, turned their backs on him in unison. Tom is just So Yesterday! And, we all know that he really can't act naturally at all. If he could, and if he retained any marketable reputation, the studios would be coming after him. Tellingly, the studios refuse his calls. He has lost, all of his own accord, all of his marketability. Word on the street is that he is no longer even marketable to Katie!

Tom's career is destined to late night television informercials or gay porn shorts.

Why do I know this? ...because my wife, a die hard TC fan, won't watch any of his movies any more. When she turned her back on TC, I knew that Tom was dead meat, hanging in the wind for the crows to pluck out his eyes and eat his nose.
 

Lurker5

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I turned my nose up when . . .

TC was never a top fav of mine, but he was OK, his movies were sometimes good, and I always watched them. Then he dumped Nic. That was it for me. It was sort of common knowledge, at the time, he dumped her because scn/dm told him to do it. She was turning her nose up at scn, and making no bones about it - with/to TC. Her, her father/family all PTS. TC did a big heartless dump - in public. :pfft: Asshole. Fuck scn/dm AND tc.
 

riptide

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"

I fear some of us critics are too quick to generalize and start thinking in "black hat"/"white hat" style.

Something similar to, "Tom Cruise supports David Miscavige therefore everything he does is bad in someway."

Is that really true?

I understand where you're coming from but let's not get carried away.

Before we know it we'll be saying something like, "Doesn't he walk stupid too!? Plus when he blinks I can just tell he's an asshole."

We don't need criticism at this level to be effective. It can make us look bad.

"can"??? This is the rep ESMB has been getting for at least a year now by those who have left and stopped by on their way to Martys house. (not that I live there by any stretch)
 

moarxenu

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Watch Tom Cruise get kicked in the stomach

http://www.movieline.com/2010/05/cameron-diaz-attacks-tom-cruise.php

Remember when Tom Cruise jumped the couch on Oprah, and suddenly, all these Flash games sprung up online where you could hurl tomatoes at the star, punch him at the face, or otherwise abuse him to your heart’s content? Well, the marketers behind Knight and Day must be going for that same demographic, as they’re pushing a new viral video where Cruise’s costar Cameron Diaz brutally kicks him in the stomach during a “stunt rehearsal.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOJd-e296Y0
 

Smilla

Ordinary Human
I thought Tom was superb in Magnolia. The scenes where he's being "interrogated"/interviewed were pretty flawless if you ask me. Other than Magnolia, and Collateral for his acting like a sociopath perfectly, I don't think he's more than a merely ok/competent actor. And maybe Magnolia and Collateral were great because they required him to be like Miscavige. Who knows.

I won't support a film where CoS will benefit in any way, and until Hollywood as a whole gets the nerve to quit denying that corporate Scientology is a recruiting ground for its own interests, I won't go to any movies or watch any TV programs with CoS Scientologists in them.

Hard on the rest of the innocent crew (wait... ARE they so innocent....?) but that's where I'm at. I don't think they are so innocent - I think they have the choice to say No, and they shouldn't have to but I wish they would: take a significant personal stand against human rights abuses - collectively they have the power to do this. Scientologists who blow are putting their eternity at risk; why can't actors at least put some bucks on the line. After all, there are other movies to audition for.

Gee Tom and Davey, why so dour/angry-young-man looking? Who did you think your audience would be? HA, Miscavige's cycle has the ultimate spaceship front to it. Imagine these two men in government. I'm sure that's where they're imagining themselves. Or were...

Does anyone believe/know that Cruise knows about the abuses?

I would be very surprised if he doesn't know something about it. If he has stopped watching the TV, listening to the radio and reading newspapers and magazines, he might not know, but that's unlikely for someone who makes their living as an actor. I suspect that he knows all about it, and approves of it. Just my gut feeling. I don't like him - the vibes are bad.
 

looker

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I would be very surprised if he doesn't know something about it. If he has stopped watching the TV, listening to the radio and reading newspapers and magazines, he might not know, but that's unlikely for someone who makes their living as an actor. I suspect that he knows all about it, and approves of it. Just my gut feeling. I don't like him - the vibes are bad.

I agree. When he is on a set and the yellow Scientology tent goes up. He is trying to recruit more Raw Meat. Some of those in his entourage have got to have friends in the business that are not Scions or TC's lakies and state their opinion. But I bet if they do, they are gone.

So is the TC yellow tent growing empty as well?

I was so let down when I heard Will Smith was getting auditing. I like Will Jason Beghe in his leaving Scientology interview, said watch out Will they have cameras recording all your sessions.

Too bad I liked him and Tommie Lee Jones in Men In Black.
 

AnonSunshine

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The movie is not making as much money

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/buzz-log-a-rough-start-for-knight-and-day.html

A Rough Start for 'Knight and Day' :nervous:
by Mike Krumboltz · June 23, 2010
Not so long ago, Tom Cruise was the biggest movie star on the planet. During the '80s and '90s, the guy could not miss. But then, one fateful day, the excitable star decided to jump on Oprah's couch. It's been a rough go ever since.

Many feel that the infamous moment, combined with a bizarre interview with Matt Lauer, caused his star power to tumble. His movies, which used to be sure money-makers, began to look a little risky. Does Cruise's newest film, "Knight and Day," put him back at the top of the box office? To quote our Magic 8 Ball, "outlook not so good."

According to the Los Angeles Times, the film, which opened on Wednesday, earned $3.8 million on its opening day. That may not sound too shabby for a Wednesday, but keep in mind that "Toy Story 3" took in $13 million during the same time period. Box Office Mojo lists the top Wednesday grosses of all time, and "Knight and Day" doesn't even come close to cracking the top 50, despite rising ticket prices. Ruh-roh.

This dubious beginning isn't a surprise to everyone. Over the past week, Web searches on the film have been tepid at best, despite a vigorous marketing campaign. Pre-release surveys revealed that audiences weren't excited about the movie. The L.A. Times speculates that the film will be lucky to gross even $25 million by Sunday. Compare that to the movie's budget: the LA Times estimates that production cost around $117 million. Marketing was "tens of millions more."

But it's not like this is "Gigli" we're talking about. The film has earned decent, if not glowing, reviews. Roger Ebert gives it three stars and Claudia Puig of USA Today writes that "Tom Cruise and Cameron Diaz make a surprisingly charming couple." True, the New York Times called it "loud, seemingly interminable, and altogether incoherent," but, hey, you can't please everybody.

Too bad, because according to Deadline, the box-office performance of "Knight and Day" could have an effect on another Tom Cruise flick -- the proposed "Mission: Impossible 4." The blog writes, "Hollywood has been buzzing that the studio might kill 'MI4' if 'Knight' doesn't connect with audiences despite Cruise's action hero character."

Slash Film calls this "speculation-ville." Still, if the numbers don't pick up there is one sequel we're sure nobody will ever green-light: "Knight and Day 2."
 

looker

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Scientology defines power as speed of particle flow. TC and Travolta put out a movie what seems like every 18 months. The problem for TC is the world loves the under dog.

Tom Cruz made an a bold and egotistical display with Mat Lower and the leaked YouTube Scientology video and on Oprah.

Tom Cruz may have done as much as Ex's and Anonymous to help the disfavor of Scientology on his own. :) (Well not really, Ex's and Anons are Awesome)

Any Anonymous want to send TC an honorary Anon membership card just for the LULZ?:thumbsup:

Or how about Goldenrod from the Tom Cruz fan club.:D

Jus thinkin out loud...
 
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