Lone Star
Crusader
I was responding to Scilons in general, and also Terril. But you are correct, the amount of money I mentioned would only apply to CoS members.
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I was responding to Scilons in general, and also Terril. But you are correct, the amount of money I mentioned would only apply to CoS members.
Claire Swazey
Spokeshole, fence sitter
If I did have a quarrel with non CofS Scn about running Incident II, it would be along the lines of targetting a specific incident believed and alleged to be there, and that there are channels along these things run.
I've become a moar free form kinda gal.
However, that being said, this quarrel would be one I also have against other belief systems.
I've become a moar free form kinda gal.
However, that being said, this quarrel would be one I also have against other belief systems.
This is merely the scn term. Others might use demons, ghosts, poltergeists
etc.
http://thesaurus.com/browse/demon
http://thesaurus.com/browse/ghost
http://thesaurus.com/browse/poltergeist
http://thesaurus.com/browse/entity
This is not a complete list and I have no access to other languages.
havn't even touched upon zombies, curses and clowns.
And lets not forget space aliens.
"MathJakko says:
October 23, 2010 at 10:27 pm
Almost 4 million, this number for USA only,
This figure is so large that it makes abductions unlikely.
This means that EVERY night, for the last 20 years, there were 548 abductions taking place, 11 average per US state.
The sky must be literally buzzing with spaceships.
That does not mean that "real" abductions are not intriguing.
References :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abduction_phenomenon#Prevalence"
Also there is:-
http://www.alienabductions.com/
One if the last sentences in the latter:-
"Whether your interest is cultural, scientific, or sensual"
Alien abductions may possibly outnumber demons etc!
So, you are removing demons and you think that this is something that many/most religious people do on a regular basis?
Claire Swazey
Spokeshole, fence sitter
Yep, I get that. Makes sense. The sheer quantities of money they soak ppl for are huge. Especially OTVII.
Another cute thing they do is get ppl to a/p for all that then later find a reason to deny them the service.
In the FZ, it's a lot less, with variances between C/Ses. And there don't seem to be those games with the a/p'ing and so on. I really think that with Non CofS Scn it's more a true believer thing.
Veda
Sponsor
He's just using a PR line on you, in an attempt to "handle" you.
Claire Swazey
Spokeshole, fence sitter
A number of them do. There's a growing resurgence in interest in excorcisms. (I probably misspelled that). Protestants have even been getting involved. It may not be super common but it's not rare, either. There's a lot of belief in demons among Jeeboids and a lot of them believe in possession too.
Veda
Sponsor
Please stop being Terril's mommy. It's embarrassing.
Lone Star
Crusader
Hell, I ain't even religious and I removed three demons today before lunch! Pesky damn demons...
Oh crap....here we go again. Honey!! Go get the crucifix!
(I really don't use a crucifix. I just hold up a copy of Marty's book. The picture of John Allender scares the hell out of demons).
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Claire Swazey
Spokeshole, fence sitter
I think you're trying to handle him. Boomina, too.
I know of almost no one who is actively religious who focuses on demon possession. They may believe in them but even the Christians I know don't spend serious time working on freeing themselves from demons in any literal sense.
I'm not trying to handle anyone; I figured the best way to find out what the hell Terrill was talking about was to ask him. I've asked Veda, HH, Panda, etc questions when I don't understand what they have said and I'm not trying to handle them either. Sometimes a question is just a question out here in the crazy old world-of-wogs.
If you are going to assert something in public, you should be willing and able to defend it. It's not bullying or being mean to ask them what they meant or to define a term. I haven't attacked Terrill at all; I am asking him to be more explicit about what he is claiming. He should be able to do that and he's not said that I'm being a big old meany.
Veda
Sponsor
Sorry, perhaps I wasn't clear.
I didn't mean that you were trying to handle anyone.
I meant that Terril was trying to handle you. And by using a PR line.
Lone Star
Crusader
Boomima was really replying to Claire. He or she must have clicked the wrong post to reply.
Claire Swazey
Spokeshole, fence sitter
And I think some of you are trying to handle him.
Claire Swazey
Spokeshole, fence sitter
This is a public forum. You write about Terril more than I do. So if embarassment's an issue....well....
Veda
Sponsor
"Handling" means, in this usage, dishonest manipulation.
In this sense, no, I am not trying to handle him.
Panda Termint
Cabal Of One
That seems disingenuous to me, you're constantly "handling" people here.
Your efforts at Keeping Criticism Working allow for no dissenting viewpoints, IMO.
I've lost count of the number of times you have chastised and attempted to "correct" me for having my own view of things scientological. Just recently you "ordered" me to review Gerry's video because, in your opinion, I didn't take from it what you expected of me. I thought that was very scientological of you. None of which upset me, of course, it just makes me wonder what makes you think you know me better than I know myself.
"Handling" doesn't actually mean what you said above, that's an example of Hubbardian-like word twist if ever I saw one but, even if we accept your definition, I think you're mistaken in calling an honest opinion a "handling".
Just an honest opinion (ie. NOT handling you).
Veda
Sponsor
I do not manipulatively handle people.
I am not a Scientologist, nor am I a Scientology PR.
Also, I have no power to order you to do anything.
Panda Termint
Cabal Of One
Mark A. Baker
Sponsor
That seems disingenuous to me, you're constantly "handling" people here.
Your efforts at Keeping Criticism Working allow for no dissenting viewpoints, IMO.
I've lost count of the number of times you have chastised and attempted to "correct" me for having my own view of things scientological. Just recently you "ordered" me to review Gerry's video because, in your opinion, I didn't take from it what you expected of me. I thought that was very scientological of you. None of which upset me, of course, it just makes me wonder what makes you think you know me better than I know myself.
"Handling" doesn't actually mean what you said above, that's an example of Hubbardian-like word twist if ever I saw one but, even if we accept your definition, I think you're mistaken in calling an honest opinion a "handling".
Just an honest opinion (ie. NOT handling you).
Mark A. Baker
SweetnessandLight
Crusader
Well, 
here's a good handling of at least one of Hubbard's BT's:
"TONJA AND THE BUMP
Tonja Burden's recounting of her time with Hubbard includes a story about how Ron was developing this fairly sizable bump on his forehead. This bump is visible in one of the photos taken by Jim Dincalcy in New York in 1973.
She was in her mid-teens by this time, a true believer, and that bump bothered her.
She had observed many negative things about him, but these did not bother her the way this bump did. She could somehow explain away these other things without making her feel doubtful that he was the god that the entire ship considered him to be. But this bump....
One of the things that bothered her about the bump was that it obviously bothered Hubbard. He used to wear hats and would carefully position them, while examining himself in the mirror, so as to cover up the bump.
It would occur to her that if it bothered him that much, and since he was an 0T, why didn't he just make it go away!
It finally did "go away," being surgically removed by Kima Douglas, his "medical officer," who opened it up and cut out the fatty deposits."
From online scanned version of Bent Corydon's book, "L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman?", page 374.
http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/mom/Messiah_or_Madman.txt
BT's as created by Ron are not ghosts or angels or demons or elementals or pixies or sprites or powers or principalities, (everything, including perceived beings from human religious belief systems were an "implant" in the Scientology cosmology, remember?) they are dead space aliens of a distinctive species (Marcabs) who are either so unconscious they are "asleep" or are so horribly introverted that all they can do is cluster and cling together and hang on, trying to be your liver, or some other body part... (hence Body Thetan)
It's not a metaphor for something else. The man was a Science Fiction and Fantasy writer...he lived in his head most of the time (like most writers do), and made stuff up for a living. He made all this "Space Opera" stuff up to sell his "processing" to people.
Sadly, I do think that he was greatly influenced by some varying levels of mental illness throughout his lifetime, and the whole BT creation to me seems to be a product of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_parasitosis
"Delusional parasitosis, also known as Ekbom's syndrome, is a form of psychosis whose victims acquire a strong delusional belief that they are infested with parasites, whereas in reality no such parasites are present."
here's a good handling of at least one of Hubbard's BT's:"TONJA AND THE BUMP
Tonja Burden's recounting of her time with Hubbard includes a story about how Ron was developing this fairly sizable bump on his forehead. This bump is visible in one of the photos taken by Jim Dincalcy in New York in 1973.
She was in her mid-teens by this time, a true believer, and that bump bothered her.
She had observed many negative things about him, but these did not bother her the way this bump did. She could somehow explain away these other things without making her feel doubtful that he was the god that the entire ship considered him to be. But this bump....
One of the things that bothered her about the bump was that it obviously bothered Hubbard. He used to wear hats and would carefully position them, while examining himself in the mirror, so as to cover up the bump.
It would occur to her that if it bothered him that much, and since he was an 0T, why didn't he just make it go away!
It finally did "go away," being surgically removed by Kima Douglas, his "medical officer," who opened it up and cut out the fatty deposits."
From online scanned version of Bent Corydon's book, "L. Ron Hubbard, Messiah or Madman?", page 374.
http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/mom/Messiah_or_Madman.txt
BT's as created by Ron are not ghosts or angels or demons or elementals or pixies or sprites or powers or principalities, (everything, including perceived beings from human religious belief systems were an "implant" in the Scientology cosmology, remember?) they are dead space aliens of a distinctive species (Marcabs) who are either so unconscious they are "asleep" or are so horribly introverted that all they can do is cluster and cling together and hang on, trying to be your liver, or some other body part... (hence Body Thetan)
It's not a metaphor for something else. The man was a Science Fiction and Fantasy writer...he lived in his head most of the time (like most writers do), and made stuff up for a living. He made all this "Space Opera" stuff up to sell his "processing" to people.
Sadly, I do think that he was greatly influenced by some varying levels of mental illness throughout his lifetime, and the whole BT creation to me seems to be a product of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_parasitosis
"Delusional parasitosis, also known as Ekbom's syndrome, is a form of psychosis whose victims acquire a strong delusional belief that they are infested with parasites, whereas in reality no such parasites are present."
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