Amazing stuff, isn't it? I have never figured out why Indie/FZ Scientologists like Mark Baker and Terril keep posting super-wacky spin about Scientology "tech" on an Ex-Scientology Message Board. (Cue posts that will recite how everyone is welcome here)
Of course everyone is "welcome" to say what they want. But WHY would a Scientologist WANT to keep talking to people about their "tech" who are (quite noticeably) very happily out of the tech-mind-warp? People who are demonstrably and very vocally averse to L. Ron Hubbard's hoax? Why do they wish to keep selling something to people who have repeatedly said they are not interested in buying it?
It's like a bad dream where Jehovah's Witnesses keep knocking on your door and you tell them to go away--and they knock right away again and deliver the same pitch "in a new unit of time". And every time you slam the door they knock again. LOL
Yup, it's pretty damn noticeable. LOL. So why do they keep knocking?
I guess they didn't notice.
Apparently, not noticing is also a very common characteristic with professional Obnosers.
(Cue defenders of Mark and Terril)
It doesn't take much practice to get the meter to read or not read on anything you like. Belief in it's power to plumb the depths of the human mind is 100% pure superstition.
Final thought for now, in my opinion saying xenu is a metaphor but ot3 works is like saying you are a Catholic who believes Jesus is a metaphor but you can feel communion clearing your sins and you can taste the blood and flesh of Christ in the wafer and wine!
Hubbard's warning was with regard to attempts at self-auditing the story without proper set-ups. The evidence is that he believed that would lead to freewheeling (uncontrolled restimulation) and all the attendant unpleasantness described. The story accordingly could be seen as a story without causing such dire circumstances.
Not everyone who has experience with auditing on ot iii necessarily accepts hubbard's beliefs about it as true.
The why he proposed to do such a film is uncertain as he never actually said and he is now dead. However, it is possible, and even likely, that he believed he could create a partial restimulation of the event among the general population as a means of increasing general interest in auditing among the general population. The use of the volcano as the cover image for dianetics was intended to serve a similar purpose.
Deliberate restimulation or button pushing is a common marketing technique for goods & services in the economy as well. Practically every commercial & advertisement is based on attempting to manipulate people in order to increase sales of products.
Mark A. Baker
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I also don't see the OT 3 or Xenu story as metaphor. I think you made good points.
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From pab 12:-
"The explosion is apparently a very definite basis in all engrams and,
for our purposes here, can be considered to be basicbasic. And it could be remarked with this PAB that basicbasic for all cases has been discovered and is being delivered into your hands to be run,"
"What exactly is the cycle of the explosion? One gets the preclear to
get nothingness, then a growing expanse of whiteness, then turn the whiteness black, have the black dwindle and get nothingness again. You will readily see the similarity of this to Black and White Processing and, indeed this is the furthest extension of Black and White Processing but is many times more effective and usefull."
"....It does not matter how poorly the preclear runs this. It does not matter if the nearest approach to whiteness is simply the idea that something might be white if he could see it"
Note that there was a whole book dedicated to black and white processing, Scn 8-80
PAB 12 recomends running explosions between each step of the Six Steps to Self-Auditing.
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1. I think this idea of explosions being so central to life is bananas.
2. I think your love, Terril, for the connection between PAB 12 and OT3 - I know OT3 has explosions in it - is bananas too.
3. Since OT3 is bananas anyway, that makes any such genuine relationship bananas cubed.
Paul
Sounds good, but wait.... Here comes the spin... The 'PAB 12'-angle.
You want to explain how quoting tech vols is spin?
Not into Catholicism especially, like what Jesus actually said. 91 sayings
per " The Five Gospels".
I also don't see the OT 3 or Xenu story as metaphor. I think you made good points.
There are serious logical problems with this area. If like myself you did
the levels OT 2&3 and got good results, how does one explain this?
The logistics of the OT 3 story are improbable. Transferring millions or billions or whatever to a " prison planet" seems not really on. That they travel in machines that are like DC8 aeroplanes with wings, and presumably 4 turbojets is ....well ridiculous. Space travel does not require wings. As a sci fi fan of long duration one might easily posit a better solurion.
How comes a thetan is immobilised by Glycol?
Contradicts axiom 1 & 2 and thus all:-
"Axiom 1 Life is basically a static.
DEFINITION: A life static has no mass, no motion, no wavelength, no location in space or in time. It has the ability to postulate and to perceive.
Axiom 2 The static is capable of considerations, postulates and opinions."
Seems to me pretty definite statements that a thetan can't be frozen.
But then as a scientologist one finds these levels, OT 3 etc, enhance ones life.
Most do anyway.
So how come?
Perhaps one might look at the fact that these levels address the spiritual nature of life. This is a long time old and valid philosophical area.
For me these levels work, and did so despite the story making little logical sense. I wondered why? Then I believe it was the poster " Div 6" referred to
this LRH reference which I quote some snippets from below.
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Terril park
27th November 2010, 11:22 AM
Would it be useful to rework OT III so as to run explosions in
a better or simpler form? Some earlier comments and quotes of mine .
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From pab 12:-
"The explosion is apparently a very definite basis in all engrams and,
for our purposes here, can be considered to be basicbasic. And it could be remarked with this PAB that basicbasic for all cases has been discovered and is being delivered into your hands to be run,"
"What exactly is the cycle of the explosion? One gets the preclear to
get nothingness, then a growing expanse of whiteness, then turn the whiteness black, have the black dwindle and get nothingness again. You will readily see the similarity of this to Black and White Processing and, indeed this is the furthest extension of Black and White Processing but is many times more effective and usefull."
"....It does not matter how poorly the preclear runs this. It does not matter if the nearest approach to whiteness is simply the idea that something might be white if he could see it"
Note that there was a whole book dedicated to black and white processing, Scn 8-80
PAB 12 recomends running explosions between each step of the Six Steps to Self-Auditing.
Incident 1 From OT 3 :-
"1 Patter: LOUD SNAP, WAVES OF LIGHT, HORSES DRAWING
CHARIOT RIGHT TO LEFT, CHERUB COMES OUT,
BLOWS HORN, COMES CLOSE, SHATTERING
SERIES OF SNAPS, CHERUB FADES,
RETREATS, BLACK MASS
IS DUMPED ON THE THETAN."
Note that this involves whiteness [ waves of light] and blackness
[ black mass]. Sound effects are added which seems appropriate for an explosion.
Also note that inc 2 involves lots of explosions. So if the theory of this PAB is correct entities, single unit beings, get run on explosions as much as needed.
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You want to explain how quoting tech vols is spin?
Let's give Hubbard credit, at least, for removing the com lag out of people's beliefs by giving Scientologists both Instant Reads and Instant Superstition.
Can the pc ever say, like during a sec check, I don't believe that was an instant read, and thus why are you asking me?
Why does the pc have so much trust in the auditor? Shoot, the auditor, under sec checking, could be saying there is an instant read, and yet there is not one, but the pc believes there is one.
Can the pc ever say, like during a sec check, I don't believe that was an instant read, and thus why are you asking me?
Why does the pc have so much trust in the auditor? Shoot, the auditor, under sec checking, could be saying there is an instant read, and yet there is not one, but the pc believes there is one.
And when the auditor says my needle is floating, why as a pc, why can't I see this so I have Certainty as well?
Lol. Tech volumes are the work of a lying con man.
Who's going to take that seriously?
There are serious logical problems with this area. If like myself you did the levels OT 2&3 and got good results, how does one explain this?