Too Much Cruelty

[Type4_PTS]

Obviously, some people don't care if they are added to groups without their OK, nor do they monitor what's being posted in said groups.

I really don't spend lots of time on FB, less than 20 minutes a month usually. During my busy periods at work I've gone several months at a time without even logging in.

There's FB Groups that I am a member of and really like but haven't participated in due to lack of time.

For instance, Narconon Reviews and SCIENTOLOGY INVASION OF THE BLACK COMMUNITY.

 

[In present time]

Posting in a rush as I dash off to work..

1. Alanzo is not part of either of these groups. He finds them disgusting & has told me so several times.
2. I didn't post all that stuff to get people to try & stop it. It's like RFW. Better to leave it there as evidence of certain behaviour than try to tear it down. I posted it because there was an opportunity to show people why sometimes shit flares up here for "no apparent reason". It's not ALL the reason why, but does explain quite a bit.

it helped me understand emma. i was really in the dark about a lot of this. so i appreciate you posting it.
does that make me a part of this big "team" you have?:nailbiting:

haha, somehow, i think not.
i hope this all blows over soon, without too many dents and bangs.

 

[Emma]

Can't beat join 'em.

Screw it.

I believe, deep down, things happen for a reason. Sometimes the reason is not clear to us. (sometimes it may never be).

Isn't it odd that the whole time Alanzo is here he is trying to bring it up and is not able to clear up anything and now he is gone and its being discussed left right and center?

Maybe the way he brought it up and persisted was not right... but now it seems to be bringing out into open old injuries that did not clear up.

Or maybe just stirring the pot.

Is anyone gaining insight on this thread?

Does it accomplish anything?

Bea, hand on heart, I still don't know exactly what Alanzo wanted to discuss. He told me in chat that he was upset and that I didn't understand him. When I asked him tell me what it was that I was misunderstanding he said he didn't know. Just that he felt misunderstood.

I know he wanted to talk about what he perceived as an "OSA op" run by certain indies. But it was an OSA Op only in his head (and maybe one other person's head). To anyone else it was Scientologists behaving like Scientologists. So to label it something insulting was never going to get much traction. Especially not two years later when many things have changed & settled down.

He would have had more luck if he hadn't run with "ESMB isn't safe" & "ESMB is eating me alive" (I paraphrase) as his first few threads. Right off the bat he looked like he was here just to criticise & make trouble so it was hard to take him seriously after that.

Also I don't think it was "this" air Alanzo wanted to clear. He really has no interest in what Zinj does.

 

[Smurf]

No the thread does not bother me, Smurf. Are you talking about Alanzos last,most recent ban, or the previous ban?

deleted.

 

[Emma]

it helped me understand emma. i was really in the dark about a lot of this. so i appreciate you posting it.
does that make me a part of this big "team" you have?:nailbiting:

haha, somehow, i think not.
i hope this all blows over soon, without too many dents and bangs.

Hmmmm....Are you applying for a position within the nefarious cabal?

Send me your CV, application form and a cash payment of $5000 and you'll hear back within 14 working days.

Good luck.

 

[Emma]

Latest.

Zinj is referring to the first time around - 2011

 

[Lone Star]

Hmmmm....Are you applying for a position within the nefarious cabal?

Send me your CV, application form and a cash payment of $5000 and you'll hear back within 14 working days.

Good luck.

Yes the 14 days are needed in order for Mike, Mike, Marty and Karen to research and approve you.

 

[Winston Smith]

Yes the 14 days is needed in order for Mike, Mike, Marty and Karen to research and approve you.

Of course the "research" happens AFTER they have your $5K.

 

[Smurf]

Zinj is referring to the first time around - 2011

I stand corrected, Emma. I was looking at Joe's date of posting this last Saturday..

"Just since I assume most people here aren't really up to speed on the happenings of past times, when the original ESMB putsch happened, Alanzo and I were not at all on the same page, and when the people banned began comparing notes, Al wasn't even invited, since, as an ESMB mod, I'd had my experiences dealing with his 'crusades' and wasn't sure he would be on the same page (which was a blank page at the time, since none of us really knew what was going on).

Al messaged *me* that I needed to call him, so I did, and he shared with me his story of the 'handling' he received and how he was sure it was OSA. I didn't disagree, but, I did invite him in to our otherwise cozy group so he could share his info, but, as I'd more or less expected, he thought it would be more clever to play along and wear the 'big boy pants', rather than just expose what was going on.

A difference in tactics. Not goals. I love Alanzo, but, he and I do not compare notes or work together. We disagree on basic tactics. If Emma and MMM and the rest of the crew want to think that Alanzo is somehow aligned with me... heh They're liars. They have to be." - October 26 at 8:25pm near Urbana, OH.

 

[In present time]

Yes the 14 days is needed in order for Mike, Mike, Marty and Karen to research and approve you.

I knew it! Oh man, and the check is already in the mail. Damn.

 

[Emma]

I stand corrected, Emma. I was looking at Joe's date of posting this last Saturday..

Yes it was confusing to me too at first. But then I realised he was talking about 2011. I doubt Alanzo would be contacting Zinj these days.

 

[Lone Star]

I knew it! Oh man, and the check is already in the mail. Damn!

Well that money will be used for our..er..the greatest good.

 

[Claire Swazey]

Re: cue Twilight Zone music….

This never ends, does it? LOL

I do not feel very deeply or personally or sensitively about any of this at all.

You described me as "paranoid" and a liar. I was neither as I truthfully noted an effort once made by others to get me to back off from criticizing Hubbard and Indies on ESMB. I responded to your insults by calling you on your defamatory & insulting crap and you have been shuckin'-n-jivin' ever since.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shuckin'_and_jivin'

Sorry, guy, but I'm not backing down on this.

I did say you sounded paranoid. And now that you say that, if it isn't the same as saying YOU, Hoaxie, are paranoid- it's just about the same thing. So I apologize for that. On that one, you are right. And I thought about it.

But I did not call you a liar. I said that I thought what you said was not true. Remember when we were churchies? We thought shit that wasn't true. And we told it to other people. I remember telling people that there used to be intelligent life on Mars, cuz Hubbard said it. (I was about 19. Plus, well, you know- brainwashed). So I was saying something that was not true. Was I lying? Hell no.

When I tell someone that something they are saying isn't true or that I don't believe it, I am not calling that person a liar. If I say, look, Mister, you're lying, you're trying to deceive me, then, yeah, I would be definitely characterizing that person as a liar.

In this case, I thought you had come to a conclusion that was not true. Like me with the Martians. (still amazed I believed it).



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMimqfJVedE

 

[In present time]

yeah, telling someone what they are saying is not true, is really a lot different to calling them a liar.

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

All I can say is that through this whole thing I am deeply disappointed with my fellow Americans and very impressed with Aussies.

But I do want to say something about the conspiracy stuff.

Although I only posted on this board, I thought that Mike Laws and Rinder and Rathburn were OSA.

And I think I may have said that even before Zinj.

I know I was the first to use the term Rathbun and Miscavige were in "cahoots."

And I think people attributed it to Zinj when he repeated it.

I didn't need Zinj or Alanzo fostering the flames of OSA; I already had those flames raging with me.

I did OSA work in the past and what I thought I saw happening was something that I was familiar with how it was done.

Although I was asked, I did not join with the other guys at a new board nor in attacking Emma, although I agreed with them about that OSA was doing something.

I just stayed around and kept saying my peace here.

If felt intuitively wrong abandoning this board after all it has done for me.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Free Being Me]

it helped me understand emma. i was really in the dark about a lot of this. so i appreciate you posting it.
does that make me a part of this big "team" you have?:nailbiting:

haha, somehow, i think not.
i hope this all blows over soon, without too many dents and bangs.

Hmmmm....Are you applying for a position within the nefarious cabal?

Send me your CV, application form and a cash payment of $5000 and you'll hear back within 14 working days.

Good luck.

Yes the 14 days is needed in order for Mike, Mike, Marty and Karen to research and approve you.

The Nefarious Cabal [help me escape], if it did exist, [they are everywhere] is an organization [run!] I can neither confirm [they will get you] nor deny.

 

[Type4_PTS]

yeah, telling someone what they are saying is not true, is really a lot different to calling them a liar.

That's not true!

 

[Winston Smith]

You all are going to think I am thick as a rock. But I don't know what OSA is. Obviously it is some kind of scn secret police that tries to bring back the wayward sheep. But why all the rage about it? We are out of the cult now. [I think]

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

You all are going to think I am thick as a rock. But I don't know what OSA is. Obviously it is some kind of scn secret police that tries to bring back the wayward sheep. But why all the rage about it? We are out of the cult now. [I think]

It is just a name change from the guardians Office.

Back when we were in the GO did all its dirty work outside the ord.

But by 1974 they were actually going after regular Scientologists too (like Bird)

The problem with OSA is that still fair game critics and exes and they have made life very miserable for many of the people on this baord.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Claire Swazey]

yeah, telling someone what they are saying is not true, is really a lot different to calling them a liar.

Yes, it is indeed different.

I remember having a conversation with a friend, and I was like, oh, the south part of that city is all bad neighborhoods and she said "Claire, that's not true." I never once thought she was calling me a liar. But I did think she did not believe that the south end was all bad neighborhoods and I thought she was letting me know she disagreed and that I was wrong.

When I first got on a.r.s,, I was in CofS. And I thought all kinds of shit that wasn't true. Other than what I call the screaming meemies, there were some people who took the time to talk to me about stuff, to disabuse me of - oh, any one of several dozen incorrect beliefs I held. They told me that what I thought was not true. Then there were OTHER people who said I was a liar. When it was the former, I figured they were telling me they did not credit what I had to say. When it was the latter, I figured they were calling me a liar, since, well, they said, "you're a liar".

Otherwise, nobody's ever gonna be able to debate anything anyone's saying that they think is incorrect.
Math class would be a problem, too, come to think of it.

Kid: 15 goes into 150 nine times
Teacher: That's not true, Billy. 15 goes into 150 ten times.
Kid goes running home telling folks teacher called him a liar.

Hey! Maybe that's why I fucking hated Math!!! And how come those English people keep calling it Maths? Is there more than one? If so, I'm toast.