Too Much Cruelty

[Purple Rain]

I suppose I could look back at post about me from three years ago and find some people who said cruel things to me too.

But if I was gone for a while, and then came back, and I felt the board was still cruel and I wanted to change that, then I wouldn't start by calling the board (a general term which means the posters here) cruel.

I would use my posts to lessen the cruelty.

Whenever I go overboard on this board, I get some very kind nudges from people, either in posts or in private messages, telling me I am going overboard.

Couldn't Alanzo have done that?

Couldn't he have sent private messages to the people who he felt had treated him cruelly?

Couldn't he have led by example instead of inflaming things with broad accusations?

Personally I think Alanzo is quite smart and capable and that he is not a victim of the board at all.

I think Alanzo had a beef, which is cool, but his plan of action to handle it was a mistake.

He took a calculated risk and failed.

I don't think he is hurting or upset.

I think he has simply moved on because he is simply not interested in this board anymore.

The mistake is to dwell on his accusations.

But if you think the board is cruel or that certain particular posters are cruel then discuss it with them privately.

That is what some of the posters on this board do, and that is the farthest thing from being cruel.

I feel privileged to have such friends.

The Anabaptist Jacques

Exactly. Some people act like they've never said a harsh word to anyone - never criticised anyone or had a disagreement with anyone. Never hurt another person. I don't know what they want from a group or message board. When they find this hallelujah place on the internet I wish they would let me know, because this line is so old. No human group on this earth can live up to these expectations. And as for this "friends I can't trust" bullshit - newsflash - that's NOT friendship. Friendship requires trust. Anything else is just politics.

 

[Smurf]

This thread makes my butt itch.

 

[Pooks]

I was trying to convey two ideas with that story:

-It is impossible to change another's stripes, only they can do that.
-Some times you lose the argument by debasing the person instead of the subject.
-Understanding is something which does evolve with time.

I'm all for challenging the content (dox or stfu / reasoning or stfu) and it usually shuts down that passive aggressive gypsy queen innuendo but going after the poster was only going to lead to yet more butthurt. In the context of this thread / conversation, it seemed counter productive for TAJ to be heading down the road he was heading. Why I relayed what is in retrospect a rather odd story to get that point across.

Does that make sense (I rewrote this reply a few times so it might be babblefish by now and shows that I can't count)?

Added note:
I find Veda when posting on the subject of scientology to be encyclopedic, I might disagree with conclusions and I'm far too lazy to climb down the rabbit whole of the links but I believe those that are of the cult mind set can only deprogrammed by creating that cognitive dissonance on their own and that "data" is what should start that process. Granted I only read maybe like 2 or 3 threads on this board now a days so I'm probably not observing the breadth of discussions that happen.

[this post subject to edit at a later time when I reread it]

Yes. It does make sense. Thanks for taking the time to explain it to me.

Hugs,

P

 

[Pooks]

There will be an Emergency Strategy Meeting of The Nefarious Marcabian Cabal at 0100 hours (Eastern Australian Time, naturally) this AM. Attendance is mandatory, failure to comply will not be tolerated and will incur serious penalties, not the least of which will include being required to continue to posting on this thread!

Same place as usual?

 

[Anonycat]

Same place as usual?

Head's up ...

 

[Nicole]

Because my two free weeks end today and I believe if I am going back to work today, there will be lots to do, some little kids will need some help etc. I won't have so much time to post here. Just doing the regular Anti - Scientology things next to work.


My next two free weeks are ca. at Christmas time, maybe I am back here at (or it is called "in" don't know..) this thread.



Love you all...
Nicole

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Because my two free weeks end today and I believe if I am going back to work today, there will be lots to do, some little kids will need some help etc. I won't have so much time to post here. Just doing the regular Anti - Scientology things next to work.


My next two free weeks are ca. at Christmas time, maybe I am back here at (or it is called "in" don't know..) this thread.



Love you all...
Nicole

We'll be expecting you.

See you soon.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[I told you I was trouble]

I guess I just keep looking at the various links and I like and thank as I read. I appreciate those days and posters too. But gosh. I spent way too much time on my computer back then. I'm sorry if I blew up your notifications while revisiting old threads.

Sorry GT, I was probably being a bit over sensitive and silly (I can't help it, I'm in the 'non interference' zone).

Lol.

 

[Anonycat]

Cabal membership fees are also due. Just sayin.

 

[AnonKat]

Finally ESMB joins Legion

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

Finally ESMB joins Legion

And they have take out.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[Veda]

If you go back and read what was said about Alanzo 3 years ago just after his ban you would know who was cruel. Very nasty things were said about him (on his back-as he couldn't read them by being banned), things that should have been moderated by board rules and were not. I remember I was disgusted and shocked because I thought I was among friends on ESMB. (I still think I am among friends, but certain friends can't be trusted).


That's not what Alanzo said or intended. I wished Alanzo was more open and clear in what upset him, pointing out exactly the posts. He was not still angry when he come back, but when he come back he had the possibility to see the nasty things that were said about him after his ban. Things that we put in our past but he just found out. Grudge matches section cannot be read by non members.



Veda never said ESMB is cruel. You are putting this in his mouth to make him look bad. There has been no cruelty on ESMB? Really? I think there has been, not by many people, just a few, but there has been. And Alanzo has been the target of it at a certain point.

I had this disagreement with Emma on Alanzo, that he shouldn't have been banned, I wrote her many times (first ban), she always answered me nicely although keeping her position. Despite the disagreement, on my side and I think on her side too, we remained friends. I have a lot of admiration for her for taking care of the board even if I dared to click "disagree" on a couple of her posts. To criticize the behavior of some of the members or even the admin is not to generalize and say all is bad. An admin should know it. If I would be an admin I would prefer people who are honest than those who lick my ass. Unless I would be so insecure to ask for agreement. As far as I am concerned we are not in a war, and when someone voice disagreement his viewpoint should be evaluated.

Noticed that in Purple's response to you, she snipped your "Veda never said ESMB is cruel. You are putting this in his mouth to make him look bad." I'll take that as an concession by Purple that she was mistaken. Thanks, Purple.

Unfortunately, the half dozen or so usual bunch - plus a few hangers-on who really don't understand - (Not including you in this, Purple) are doing what they usually do to someone they want ostracized and nullified: lots of misleading, and misrepresenting, ridicule, with emphasis on references implying, or even directly asserting, mental illness, etc.

Same old same old.

Thanks for having the courage to step apart from that and "call it as you see it."

 

[He-man]

Noticed that in Purple's response to you, she snipped your "Veda never said ESMB is cruel. You are putting this in his mouth to make him look bad." I'll take that as an concession by Purple that she was mistaken. Thanks, Purple.

Unfortunately, the half dozen or so usual bunch - plus a few hangers-on who really don't understand - (Not including you in this, Purple) are doing what they usually do to someone they want ostracized and nullified: lots of misleading, and misrepresenting, ridicule, with emphasis on references implying, or even directly asserting, mental illness, etc.

Same old same old.

Thanks for having the courage to step apart from that and "call it as you see it."

The usual bunch? A few hangers-on?

Do you include me in this lot? :confused2:

 

[Veda]

The usual bunch? A few hangers-on?

Do you include me in this lot? :confused2:

No.

99+% of the members of ESMB have nothing to do with any of this.

And that's another reason I think this thread, and the Alanzo discussion, should end. All the points have been made, for or against, and various shades in between. It's done.

 

[Anonycat]

No.

99+% of the members of ESMB have nothing to do with any of this.

And that's another reason I think this thread, and the Alanzo discussion, should end.

If there are 500 active members this month, that means the Cabal is not even 5 people. This is not Ideal Cabal size.

 

[He-man]

No.

99+% of the members of ESMB have nothing to do with any of this.

And that's another reason I think this thread, and the Alanzo discussion, should end. All the points have been made, for or against, and various shades in between. It's done.

Do you see my point though.

Can you just not write plain, X said this, I disagree. Y did Z, I find that to be ~

I've said my peace on what I believe. I think the thread should stay open though because you never know what good may come of it.

The world will burn.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Right then ... thats it, I'm off now to give myself a damn good thrashing, just in case I'm part of the 1%.



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[Veda]

Do you see my point though.

Can you just not write plain, X said this, I disagree. Y did Z, I find that to be ~

-snip-

That's already been done, many times, in seemingly endless, recurring, arguments. Just look.

 

[Smurf]

 

[Anonycat]

That's already been done, many times, in seemingly endless, recurring, arguments. Just look.

I agree - if you have a complaint or something, just state it plainly and be done with it. I'd hate to think you were just addicted to innuendo and prolonged drama.