Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology - PART ONE

[NoName]

Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

Just a question on that time line of Science versus Scientology. And if this is a derail and you want to start a new thread, knock yourselves out.

Anywho, I know LRH wrote about Christianity being an implant. But I didn't realize it was a 14 billion year old implant. I always figured it was more recent than that.

That said, putting aside any debate about whether or not Jesus Christ was the Messiah, son of God, prophet, divine being, etc., isn't it sort of beyond dispute that the dude actually lived 2000 or so years ago? Flavius Josephus kept pretty convincing records, and other historical evidence seems to corroborate that there was a dude named Jesus that was the son of a guy named Joseph.

Again, it's debatable whether Jesus is divine in any way. As a Pentacostal, I happen to believe that he is all that. But I don't want to debate it here. I only want to understand how the 14 billion year old implant squares with actual historical evidence that the dude lived 2,000 years ago.

 

[Ogsonofgroo]

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^^ It is not 'beyond dispute' except to those who choose to believe in it. Tonnes of material on it in fact but at the time regarded as 'the time of Cripes' there are no surviving written records, the story wasn't penned till many years later, think about the kid's game where you whsper something to somebody and pass it along...

Just sayin' and sry fer the derail Hoaxy

 

[Student of Trinity]

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Well, it's beyond dispute in the sense that there's no real point in disputing it, not that it's proven true beyond any doubt. There's about as much evidence for Jesus of Nazareth having lived and started a religious movement that grew into Christianity, as there is for most ancient historical events. Which is to say, not all that much evidence. But there's no evidence against him existing (there hardly could be, since non-existent people don't get mentioned much), and there's nothing implausible about him existing and starting a movement. So nobody reasonable is going to dispute it; but that's not to say it's a proven fact.

 

[Infinite]

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. . . I only want to understand how the 14 billion year old implant squares with actual historical evidence that the dude lived 2,000 years ago.

The Christianity implant is 75 millions years old.

Understand? Evidence? This is Scientology we're talking about. There's no need to understand, you only have to agree with it, and there is no evidence about anything in Scientology: never has been, never will be. Yet people still agree with it - stoopid, eh? Hence this thread and the on-going Master Class from the Professor Extraordinarie and Chancellor of the University of Hoaxology.

 

[NoName]

Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

Well, it's beyond dispute in the sense that there's no real point in disputing it, not that it's proven true beyond any doubt. There's about as much evidence for Jesus of Nazareth having lived and started a religious movement that grew into Christianity, as there is for most ancient historical events. Which is to say, not all that much evidence. But there's no evidence against him existing (there hardly could be, since non-existent people don't get mentioned much), and there's nothing implausible about him existing and starting a movement. So nobody reasonable is going to dispute it; but that's not to say it's a proven fact.

I don't consider it a proven fact that the Roman Empire held chariot races and gladiator games. But the existence of the Colosseum is pretty compelling.

A lot of early Christian scripture can be classified as self-serving, but Flavius Josephus provides some independent support. Contrast that with LRH who has only provided his own self-serving bad science fiction parading as scripture.

That said, is LRH saying that someone decided to crucify and worship some poor dude who happened to ride into Jerusalem on a donkey because they were dramatizing a 75 million (or 14 billion) year old engram? Or am I trying to make sense out of nonsense with this thinking?

 

[Infinite]

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I don't consider it a proven fact that the Roman Empire held chariot races and gladiator games. But the existence of the Colosseum is pretty compelling.

A lot of early Christian scripture can be classified as self-serving, but Flavius Josephus provides some independent support. Contrast that with LRH who has only provided his own self-serving bad science fiction parading as scripture.

That said, is LRH saying that someone decided to crucify and worship some poor dude who happened to ride into Jerusalem on a donkey because they were dramatizing a 75 million (or 14 billion) year old engram? Or am I trying to make sense out of nonsense with this thinking?

[video=youtube;60HzfzQxMEc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60HzfzQxMEc[/video]​

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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Just a question on that time line of Science versus Scientology. And if this is a derail and you want to start a new thread, knock yourselves out.

Anywho, I know LRH wrote about Christianity being an implant. But I didn't realize it was a 14 billion year old implant. I always figured it was more recent than that.

That said, putting aside any debate about whether or not Jesus Christ was the Messiah, son of God, prophet, divine being, etc., isn't it sort of beyond dispute that the dude actually lived 2000 or so years ago? Flavius Josephus kept pretty convincing records, and other historical evidence seems to corroborate that there was a dude named Jesus that was the son of a guy named Joseph.

Again, it's debatable whether Jesus is divine in any way. As a Pentacostal, I happen to believe that he is all that. But I don't want to debate it here. I only want to understand how the 14 billion year old implant squares with actual historical evidence that the dude lived 2,000 years ago.

Ron says that Christianity was a wholetrack implant. He also claims that beings have been up and down many "dwindling spirals". This explains the repetition or "dramatization" of the same events, again and again.

The is the core idea in Scientology, that one is re-living ("dramatizing") past events on a compulsive or sub-conscious ("reactive") level.

Accordingly, beings did not just believe in the Jesus of 2000 years ago, there were many previous "earlier similars".

It doesn't have to make sense--it's Scientology!

 

[NoName]

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^That's exactly what I'm trying to make sense out of.

But I guess I'm trying to make heads or tails out of the rantings of a mad man.



Edit - that arrow was supposed to be pointing at the video.

 

[NoName]

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Ron says that Christianity was a wholetrack implant. He also claims that beings have been up and down many "dwindling spirals". This explains the repetition or "dramatization" of the same events, again and again.

The is the core idea in Scientology, that one is re-living ("dramatizing") past events on a compulsive or sub-conscious ("reactive") level.

Accordingly, beings did not just believe in the Jesus of 2000 years ago, there were many previous "earlier similars".

It doesn't have to make sense--it's Scientology!

OK, so let's extend this line of logic to something less controversial than Christianity.

Let's pretend there is something called an R7 implant that caused people to re-live overthrowing their government. And let's pretend that LRH said that the American Revolution never happened, the man on the boat crossing the Delaware - there is no Washington. So how does that work?

Again, I know LRH didn't say that - but I'm trying to extend this Christ logic to something a bit less controversial that we can all agree actually happened.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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The Christianity implant is 75 millions years old.

Understand? Evidence? This is Scientology we're talking about. There's no need to understand, you only have to agree with it, and there is no evidence about anything in Scientology: never has been, never will be. Yet people still agree with it - stoopid, eh? Hence this thread and the on-going Master Class from the Professor Extraordinarie and Chancellor of the University of Hoaxology.

A loyal Scientologist responds:

OT VIII
(THINKING)
So, there's no evidence that Scientology is true.
So, there's no evidence that the tech works.
So, there are no Clears of OTs.
So, Ron lied about everything.
So, I am on the verge of bankruptcy.
So, I have lots of physical and mental problems.
So, I can't exteriorize or postulate anything.
So, paying $500,000 is really stupid.
(SAYING ALOUD)
So, what is your point exactly?​

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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OK, so let's extend this line of logic to something less controversial than Christianity.

Let's pretend there is something called an R7 implant that caused people to re-live overthrowing their government. And let's pretend that LRH said that the American Revolution never happened, the man on the boat crossing the Delaware - there is no Washington. So how does that work?

Again, I know LRH didn't say that - but I'm trying to extend this Christ logic to something a bit less controversial that we can all agree actually happened.

But Ron would say that there was a man named George Washington.

He lived in the 18th century.

He was dramatizing the implant from hundreds of millions of years ago.

All the people during the American Revolution were dramatizing the implant images/commands that were given to them, back on the wholetrack.

The difference in the Christ scenario is that Hubbard didn't claim that there wasn't a man named Jesus. He is on record as saying that Jesus did exist. He is saying that "Christ" the Savior being crucified and being re-born is all implant material.

In other words: "FORGET ABOUT CHRIST AND MOHAMMED AND ALL OTHER SAVIORS BESIDE ME, RON....AND BUDDHA. BUT SINCE I AM BUDDHA TOO, JUST PAY MY REGISTRARS AND WE'LL GET YOU FIXED UP, IMMORTAL, AND SUPERPOWERFUL AND WHATEVER ELSE YOU WANT."

 

[GoNuclear]

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OK, so let's extend this line of logic to something less controversial than Christianity.

Let's pretend there is something called an R7 implant that caused people to re-live overthrowing their government. And let's pretend that LRH said that the American Revolution never happened, the man on the boat crossing the Delaware - there is no Washington. So how does that work?

Again, I know LRH didn't say that - but I'm trying to extend this Christ logic to something a bit less controversial that we can all agree actually happened.

Don't give the current anti Constitutional power structure ideas! They are liable to claim that anyone who wants govt. to stay within the bounds of the Constitution is a total whacko, dramatizing the R7 implant, and send us to the federal version of the RPF, known as a FEMA camp!

Pete

 

[NoName]

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But Ron would say that there was a man named George Washington.

He lived in the 18th century.

He was dramatizing the implant from hundreds of millions of years ago.

All the people during the American Revolution were dramatizing the implant images/commands that were given to them, back on the wholetrack.

The difference in the Christ scenario is that Hubbard didn't claim that there wasn't a man named Jesus. He is on record as saying that Jesus did exist. He is saying that "Christ" the Savior being crucified and being re-born is all implant material.

In other words: "FORGET ABOUT CHRIST AND MOHAMMED AND ALL OTHER SAVIORS BESIDE ME, RON....AND BUDDHA. BUT SINCE I AM BUDDHA TOO, JUST PAY MY REGISTRARS AND WE'LL GET YOU FIXED UP, IMMORTAL, AND SUPERPOWERFUL AND WHATEVER ELSE YOU WANT."

Oh OK. Now I understand. I was never able to make heads or tails out of the conflicting statements. Or understand how Christians are persuaded to give up Christianity in Scno. But that explains things really quite perfectly.

Thanks!

 

[NoName]

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Don't give the current anti Constitutional power structure ideas! They are liable to claim that anyone who wants govt. to stay within the bounds of the Constitution is a total whacko, dramatizing the R7 implant, and send us to the federal version of the RPF, known as a FEMA camp!

Pete

That would suck. At least the FBI considered liberating the RPFers once.

 

[guanoloco]

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Here is the article that ended my worship of El Ronno

I would like to know when this was written because of this part:

On 17 Feb 1946 LRH was awarded a 10 * disability for a duodenal ulcer. This was increased to 40% on 11 Dec 1947, to include arthritis, bursitis, and an eye inflamation-conjunctivitis.

LRH presently recieves Veterans disability benefits of $182.00 per
month.

Just to note, it appears to have been written prior to the Freedom of Information Act release of Hubbard's Naval medical records - which, I guess, weren't released until after his death and this appears to have been written while Hubbard graced us with his physical presence.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

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Faster than a speeding bullet...
More powerful than a locomotive...
Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound...
Look! Up in the sky!
It's a bird!
It's a plane!
It's Superman!

[video=youtube;Q2l4bz1FT8U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2l4bz1FT8U&feature=related[/video]

Faster than speeding bullshit...

More powerful than a locomotive train that
almost ran him down the other day on Venus...

Able to make the able more able in a single book binding...

Look! Up in the pie-in-the-sky!

It's a bird!
It's a do-birds-fly!
It's a big-league-closing-technique-bird(dog).

It's a DC-8 xenu-plane!

It's SuperRon!

It's Super-natural Powers!

It's A Super Deal!

Bet all you got!

It's a Super-sure thing!
​

Birddog -noun. 1. A person who is paid a referral fee for locating and promoting business opportunities for someone else....Big League Sales Closing Techniques. 2. An FSM.

 

[GoNuclear]

Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

Personally, I would have gone with "Vistaril Man!"

Pete

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

...

cross-posted from another thread.....

Scientology philosophy in 3 words or less...

Stupid is happening.
​

love it! classic!



Scientology philosophy in 1 acronym or less...

SOS

Science of Stupid​

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

Years ago (thankfully) I was at Flag on the
PRO TRs COURSE.
At the time we were "confronting" (facing--silently looking into each other's
eyes) for 2 hours or more.

My eyes got *very* dry, and I was sent to a specialist.
He said, "you have very dry eyes....you need to blink more".

I told him the dilemma that I was in: I was a Scientologist on
this special course where we were supposed to look at each other
for 2 hours (or more)...and blink very little.

Surprised, he explained how utterly un-healthy this is for your eyes.

SO IF you're "in" and reading this::::::::::: BLINK.

If you're still stuck in the "no blink" zone, even after being "out"...
BLINK YOUR EYES MORE.
I'm not kidding.

Tory/Magoo

PS: If you have in similar odd physical experiences, please share them.

I actually love that post!

It is freaky hilarious that a Scientologist would have to see an eye doctor and be given an r-factor to remember to blink, even though it is CI on command intention to be "blink-less". I have to export that to the Stupid thread! LOL

The idea of grown adults sitting in a room staring at each other, trying not to blink for two-hours while a course administrator walks up and down the aisle, re-setting the egg-timer to 0:00 every time someone blinks is soooooooooooo stupid! (I should know, I was the course supervisor at the "advanced" organization where that was done.

This "tech" came directly from the Apollo or people trained on the Apollo under Hubbard. Ron's personal boat and personal organization.

If anyone says "Ron didn't know", I say "Fuck off, moron!" LOL

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

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Cross-posted from that cool thread: "Are your eyes dry Scios?" by Magoo:

STUDENT
My eyes are totally burning
from not blinking for the past 8 hours.

SUPERVISOR
Ron says that means your TR-0 is unflat.
Keep going.

2 WEEKS LATER

STUDENT
My vision is failing. I think my eyeballs
are starting to crack from the dryness.

SUPERVISOR
Ron says the way out is the way through.
Keep going.

2 MONTHS LATER

STUDENT
I have lost vision in my left eye.
My right eye is so blurry I can't
see my twin. Is he still there?

SUPERVISOR
Ron says what turns it on turns it off.
Keep going.

4 MONTHS LATER

STUDENT
I am totally blind.
I need to CSW off course for
a few hours to handle a sit on the 5th Dynamic.

SUPERVISOR
Okay, I am not going to Q & A with you.
But, I'll use TR-4 and let you tell me what it is so I can
acknowledge, clarify & handle your origination and
return you to TR-0. So, what is the 5th Dynamic sit?

STUDENT
I need to get a seeing eye dog.
​

Actually I personally know of many S.O. staff who were "uplines" and stayed full time on "HARD TRO" for 8 months before getting a pass.