Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology - PART ONE

[HelluvaHoax!]

Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

Originally Posted by Cult Minion
"UPDATE ON RELEASE OF OT IX AND X and beyond:

The word on OT IX is "no word," not just a nothing, but the positive statement that there is NO data, and any earlier "data" or rumors or such were all invalid, just guesses or rumors.

There is NO data, no estimate of date, no official conditional targets, no length of time to do them, solo or HGC or combination, etc.

Nothing that was rumored before is valid.

The message to OTs and anyone else wanting to have OT IX released is "make your Orgs into Ideal Orgs".

That is what is needed in order to get OT IX released. That is what we all should work on if we want to help get these upper OT levels released."

Slippery cult word clown is slippery. As I read it, the text confirms OT IX exists. No Scientologist can say otherwise, of course, because L Ron Hubbard promised that OT IX (Orders of Magnitude) and OT X (Character) were ready to go as soon as all orgs were St Hill size . . . and then, surprise surprise, never defined what "St Hill size" was. Ron has gone but the con goes on.

Speaking of which, has anyone got DOX on L Ron Hubbard actually saying that about the release of OT IX and X? I know he confirmed the existence of them in the November 1973 issue of "Clear News" (# 97 - AOLA edition)



. . . but I can't quite put my cursor on the St Hill size stipulation. Was it maybe one of the Rons Journals??

(Note to self: tidy up DOX dump and check back up drive for missing bits)

I have never ONCE heard a sane or even plausible explanation of why orgs would have to be the size of "Old St. Hill" (or any size or "Ideal" status for that matter) before a person on a ship could attain their next OT level.

Think about the sheer stupidity of it! LOL. Billy Blowdown is OT VIII. He goes to the Freewinds for OT IX. He pays for OT IX and his set-ups and eligibility. He routes on. He is assigned an auditor and scheduled. He goes in session. The auditor asks him the first auditing question of OT IX. Then what? He can't answer it? No.

The process doesn't work? Yes, according to Scientologists. Why? Because there are only 4 people on the HQS Course at the Carson City, Nevada Org instead of the required 7 people (to make Old St. Hill or Ideal Org status), OT VIII Billy Blowdown on a ship out in the middle of the ocean cannot run the process.

It's such a shame that people cannot run upper OT levels on the ship unless there are nice looking buildings on the land. If that wasn't the case, Scientology could finally make some real OTs and end all this madness of people thinking it's a crazy hoax.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

SCIENCE OF STUPID

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"The release and delivery of New OT IX and X is vital to clearing this planet. Our collective first target to making that happen is to get all orgs really active and working to become Ideal."

Let's put this in another context just to see how sane and logical it is.

The release and delivery of [STRIKE]New OT XI and X[/STRIKE] the new cancer curing drug is vital to clearing this planet of cancer. Our collective first target to making that happen is to get all [STRIKE]orgs[/STRIKE] hospitals really active and working to become Ideal.

Thus, if Scientology had the cure for cancer they would not release it until all the hospital patients donated enough money to first build more attractive looking hospitals.

Scientology affirms that they can make OTs who will save the entire planet from gruesome suffering, eternal degradation & doom. But they refuse to make those OTs because the flooring or wall materials in the auditing rooms could look better.

It doesn't have to make sense; it's Scientology!

 

[Sindy]

Stupid Umbrella Tech

Confront and Shatter Suppression with Umbrellas at the Mecca of Technical Perfection


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on43DPUHbck&feature=share

Start watching at about 4:10 through 4:45 to get the flavor of these able beings that can't seem to speak a single word.

Hoaxie, Parker comes in at 6:03 for short speechless cameo

BTW, it's not raining.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Re: Stupid Umbrella Tech

Confront and Shatter Suppression with Umbrellas at the Mecca of Technical Perfection


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on43DPUHbck&feature=share

Start watching at about 4:10 through 4:45 to get the flavor of these able beings that can't seem to speak a single word.

Hoaxie, Parker comes in at 6:03 for short speechless cameo

BTW, it's not raining.

Yikes!

Now OTs use UmbrellaTech? Would that be a "via" for TR-O?

These are some of the most pathetic people on the face of the earth.

I love the fact that they have all been painstakingly "briefed" on what to do if anyone speaks to them who is not lying.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

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It's hard to capture the insanity of it.

People pretending to be OT, showing up at an event to save the world and listen to a sociopathic liar so they can applaud being defrauded and feel good about it.

 

[Infinite]

Re: Stupid Umbrella Tech

. . . snip . . . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on43DPUHbck&feature=share

Is "Hiding" on the tone scale? Oh, there it is . . . two notches up from "Being Objects" and - whoa! - a whole 30 notches down from being worthy only of quiet disposal without sorrow. Way to demonstrate the able being more able, Flag. Top work.

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

I do get the impression that these scientologists are AWARE that Scientology and scientologists got a public reputation as complete and absolute assholes.. Hence the 'sneak hurridly along the wall' tech.. While saying nothing..

And perhaps they're also aware that Hubbard's Public Relations & Marketing tech can do squat zip about it! - But they won't admit that.. Even to themselves..They're afraid that the Ethics Officer will pull it with his E-meter.

And they all think it's immoral to disagree with Scientology propaganda!

Mewhehewheheheheehhheeee

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

I do get the impression that these scientologists are AWARE that Scientology and scientologists got a public reputation as complete and absolute assholes.. Hence the 'sneak hurridly along the wall' tech.. While saying nothing..

And perhaps they're also aware that Hubbard's Public Relations & Marketing tech can do squat zip about it! - But they won't admit that.. Even to themselves..They're afraid that the Ethics Officer will pull it with his E-meter.

And they all think it's immoral to disagree with Scientology propaganda!

Mewhehewheheheheehhheeee

Is there any difference whatsoever between a Scientologist going to an event and let's say. . .a small child going to sleep?

"Tell me a story Dad."
"Tell me a story Da[STRIKE]d[/STRIKE]ve."​

A very slight difference, however they both desperately need a story to not be afraid of ghosts and go to sleep.

 

[Sindy]

Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

Is there any difference whatsoever between a Scientologist going to an event and let's say. . .a small child going to sleep?

"Tell me a story Dad."
"Tell me a story Da[STRIKE]d[/STRIKE]ve."​

A very slight difference, however they both desperately need a story to not be afraid of ghosts and go to sleep.

Yes, and the child somehow knows it's a story and that story doesn't take 3 1/2 hours to tell.

 

[guanoloco]

Re: Stupid Umbrella Tech

Confront and Shatter Suppression with Umbrellas at the Mecca of Technical Perfection


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on43DPUHbck&feature=share

Start watching at about 4:10 through 4:45 to get the flavor of these able beings that can't seem to speak a single word.

Hoaxie, Parker comes in at 6:03 for short speechless cameo

BTW, it's not raining.

That was really painful to watch. There must be something to pulling it in, what a waste of human endeavor.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Re: Stupid Umbrella Tech

Is "Hiding" on the tone scale? Oh, there it is . . . two notches up from "Being Objects" and - whoa! - a whole 30 notches down from being worthy only of quiet disposal without sorrow. Way to demonstrate the able being more able, Flag. Top work.

LOL.

WHAT SCIENTOLOGISTS THINK THEY ARE DOING: Following a noble spiritual Code of Honor and electing to not give or receive communication they don't wish. Not communicating to a psychotic SP by not granting them any beingness, validating a downstat and thereby Clearing the planet.

WHAT A SCIENTOLOGIST IS REALLY DOING: Disconnecting from people because they are honest.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

Yes, and the child somehow knows it's a story and that story doesn't take 3 1/2 hours to tell.

And the Dad doesn't make sure there is a paid invoice so that the child doesn't go "criminal" due to the out exchange of receiving a free [STRIKE]service[/STRIKE] story.

Which brings up one of the great stupids of all time. Not having your "exchange in" to Scientology when the fact is that Scientology, Clear and OT is a criminal fraud.

Scientology: The only game in the universe where the rapist is your ethics officer.

 

[Sindy]

Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

And the Dad doesn't make sure there is a paid invoice so that the child doesn't go "criminal" due to the out exchange of receiving a free [STRIKE]service[/STRIKE] story.

Which brings up one of the great stupids of all time. Not having your "exchange in" to Scientology when the fact is that Scientology, Clear and OT is a criminal fraud.

Scientology: The only game in the universe where the rapist is your ethics officer.

Adding to my sig line...How frighteningly true.

Did you see Parker there? He seemed to actually want to say something but he got "handled" to go inside. Sheesh.

 

[guanoloco]

Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

And the Dad doesn't make sure there is a paid invoice so that the child doesn't go "criminal" due to the out exchange of receiving a free [STRIKE]service[/STRIKE] story.

Which brings up one of the great stupids of all time. Not having your "exchange in" to Scientology when the fact is that Scientology, Clear and OT is a criminal fraud.

Scientology: The only game in the universe where the rapist is your ethics officer.

The whole time Scientology is pummeling you to death it's berating you to quit being a victim and the minute you decry its criminal inhumane behavior you're a bigot busily victimizing the "Church" of Scientology.

It's so insanely bizarre that you factually couldn't make this shit up! What a travesty that it even exists at all...I cannot get over the absolute animal and base nature of Hubbard!! The whole thing is just so...STUPID!!

 

[guanoloco]

Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

More proof of Scientology stupid...well...at least Hell Ron stupid and so, therefore, Scientology by extension because Scientology is more or less Hell Ron's list of reliable items!!

These came from the Any evidence that FPRD really changed someone's behavior? thread and were posted by Gottabrain. I found them awesome, especially when viewed out of context together.

The modern concept of the Seven Deadly Sins is linked to the works of the 4th century monk Evagrius Ponticus, who listed eight evil thoughts in Greek as follows:[4]

They were translated into the Latin of Roman Catholic spiritual pietas (or Catholic devotions), as follows:[5]
Gula (gluttony)
Fornicatio (fornication, lust)
Avaritia (avarice/greed)
Tristitia (sorrow/despair)
Ira (wrath)
Acedia (acedia) (acedia/discouragement)
Vanagloria (vainglory)
Superbia (hubris, pride)
These 'evil thoughts' can be broken down into three groups:[5]
lustful appetite (Gluttony, Fornication, and Avarice)
irascibility (Anger)
intellect (Vainglory, Sorrow, Pride, and Discouragement)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins

...and...

Metaneeds and metapathologies

Another way in which Maslow approach the problem of what is self-actualization is to talk about the special, driving needs (B-needs, of course) of the self-actualizers. They need the following in their lives in order to be happy:

Truth, rather than dishonesty.
Goodness, rather than evil.
Beauty, not ugliness or vulgarity.
Unity, wholeness, and transcendence of opposites, not arbitrariness or forced choices.
Aliveness, not deadness or the mechanization of life.
Uniqueness, not bland uniformity.
Perfection and necessity, not sloppiness, inconsistency, or accident.
Completion, rather than incompleteness.
Justice and order, not injustice and lawlessness.
Simplicity, not unnecessary complexity.
Richness, not environmental impoverishment.
Effortlessness, not strain.
Playfulness, not grim, humorless, drudgery.
Self-sufficiency, not dependency.
Meaningfulness, rather than senselessness.

Now after reading these hold in your mind the image of Hell Ron's conduct and the atmosphere of the Sea Org and the Church of Scientology. Rather stupid, huh?

 

[Sindy]

Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

Adding to my sig line...How frighteningly true.

Did you see Parker there? He seemed to actually want to say something but he got "handled" to go inside. Sheesh.

Oh yeah, you probably don't remember who I am talking about. Never mind. I pointed him out to you before, a while back, as a cool guy from my org that I wish would wake up. Anyway, maybe you didn't recognize him but that's him. Sad Well, at least we're here.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

Adding to my sig line...How frighteningly true.

Did you see Parker there? He seemed to actually want to say something but he got "handled" to go inside. Sheesh.

Yeah. I saw Parker peek in on the action out in front of the Ft Harrison. He was probably on a checksheet practical drill where he was supposed to practice shattering whistleblowers by lurking with a dorky confused expression on his face. SPs hate that and usually go away.

 

[Gib]

Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

More proof of Scientology stupid...well...at least Hell Ron stupid and so, therefore, Scientology by extension because Scientology is more or less Hell Ron's list of reliable items!!

These came from the Any evidence that FPRD really changed someone's behavior? thread and were posted by Gottabrain. I found them awesome, especially when viewed out of context together.


The modern concept of the Seven Deadly Sins is linked to the works of the 4th century monk Evagrius Ponticus, who listed eight evil thoughts in Greek as follows:[4]

They were translated into the Latin of Roman Catholic spiritual pietas (or Catholic devotions), as follows:[5]
Gula (gluttony)
Fornicatio (fornication, lust)
Avaritia (avarice/greed)
Tristitia (sorrow/despair)
Ira (wrath)
Acedia (acedia) (acedia/discouragement)
Vanagloria (vainglory)
Superbia (hubris, pride)
These 'evil thoughts' can be broken down into three groups:[5]
lustful appetite (Gluttony, Fornication, and Avarice)
irascibility (Anger)
intellect (Vainglory, Sorrow, Pride, and Discouragement)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_deadly_sins


...and...


Metaneeds and metapathologies

Another way in which Maslow approach the problem of what is self-actualization is to talk about the special, driving needs (B-needs, of course) of the self-actualizers. They need the following in their lives in order to be happy:

Truth, rather than dishonesty.
Goodness, rather than evil.
Beauty, not ugliness or vulgarity.
Unity, wholeness, and transcendence of opposites, not arbitrariness or forced choices.
Aliveness, not deadness or the mechanization of life.
Uniqueness, not bland uniformity.
Perfection and necessity, not sloppiness, inconsistency, or accident.
Completion, rather than incompleteness.
Justice and order, not injustice and lawlessness.
Simplicity, not unnecessary complexity.
Richness, not environmental impoverishment.
Effortlessness, not strain.
Playfulness, not grim, humorless, drudgery.
Self-sufficiency, not dependency.
Meaningfulness, rather than senselessness.


Now after reading these hold in your mind the image of Hell Ron's conduct and the atmosphere of the Sea Org and the Church of Scientology. Rather stupid, huh?

I searched google for "Metaneeds and metapathologies" and found this:

http://personalitycafe.com/general-psychology/42185-abraham-maslow-metaneeds-metapathologies.html

and specifically this from that link

"But the self-actualizer has needs that aren't as satisfied as, say, food, water, shelter or companionship. He or she seems to require 'metaneeds':
Truth
Goodness
Beauty
Unity, wholeness, and transcendence of opposites
Aliveness
Uniqueness
Perfection and necessity
Completion
Justice and order
Simplicity
Richness
Effortlessness
Playfulness
Self-sufficiency
Meaningfulness
(Like I said, the self-actualizer can't go to the grocery store and buy himself or herself a box of 'Truth Flakes' or 'Good-tarts'.)"

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What you mentioned above in blue are the dichotomies in scientology.

But what I post just above are in fact PUSH BUTTONS used by hubbard to get us involved. OMG. And he pushed those buttons in his writings and lectures. Thus better build a bridge, or in other words build a bridge in which people need to pay money for the realizations (wins) of something which one could read. Scientology gains are 50% training/50% auditing (auditing being that which was told to you of what happened to you and the cause of your illness, problems, ser fac's, etc)

How did you guanoloco find this or know about it?

 

[guanoloco]

Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

I searched google for "Metaneeds and metapathologies" and found this:

http://personalitycafe.com/general-psychology/42185-abraham-maslow-metaneeds-metapathologies.html

and specifically this from that link

"But the self-actualizer has needs that aren't as satisfied as, say, food, water, shelter or companionship. He or she seems to require 'metaneeds':
Truth
Goodness
Beauty
Unity, wholeness, and transcendence of opposites
Aliveness
Uniqueness
Perfection and necessity
Completion
Justice and order
Simplicity
Richness
Effortlessness
Playfulness
Self-sufficiency
Meaningfulness
(Like I said, the self-actualizer can't go to the grocery store and buy himself or herself a box of 'Truth Flakes' or 'Good-tarts'.)"

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What you mentioned above in blue are the dichotomies in scientology.

But what I post just above are in fact PUSH BUTTONS used by hubbard to get us involved. OMG. And he pushed those buttons in his writings and lectures. Thus better build a bridge, or in other words build a bridge in which people need to pay money for the realizations (wins) of something which one could read. Scientology gains are 50% training/50% auditing (auditing being that which was told to you of what happened to you and the cause of your illness, problems, ser fac's, etc)

How did you guanoloco find this or know about it?

I found it by reading that thread I hyperlinked in my post. These were posts from ESMB member Gottabrain. I found them very enlightening posts.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Re: Top 100 Stupid Moments in Scientology

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Cross Posted from another thread on how the NOI Dianeticists have their own special Grade Chart to go "Clear" on Dianetics Book I alone, which is different than all the rest of Scientologists who have to..um, use Scientology.

STUPID!

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The entire idea of TWO (2) different "standard" auditing routes to Clear is ludicrous.

If a person could go Clear on Book I alone, then Scientologists are stupid to be paying fortunes to go Clear using Scientology.

If a person can't go Clear on Book I alone, then NOI Dianeticists are stupid to be paying to go Clear using Dianetics.

Or, actually, since NEITHER way arrives at Clear, both ways are totally retarded ideas.

So, then, what do I think about my own participation in both Dianetics and Scientology? Je suis retardé!!! lol



But, mon ami, why in French? Click on the audio link to hear how it makes me sound cool and not so cringey. lol