Trained To Lie

AnonKat

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http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2013/12/18/trained-to-lie/

Trained To Lie
Posted on December 18, 2013 by martyrathbun09 | 20 Comments

The following issue was seized from church of Scientology files by agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation in 1977. Since the eighties corporate Scientology has argued that it was unfair to talk about this issue because it was only ever held in practice in the Guardians Office (GO), which David Miscavige allegedly disbanded.

The Guardians Office Issue:

INTELLIGENCE SPECIALIST TRAINING ROUTINE – TR L

Purpose: To train the student to give a false statement with good TR-1. To train the student to outflow false data effectively.

Position: Same as TR-1.

Commands: Part 1 “Tell me a lie”. Command given by coach. Part 2 interview type 2 WC by coach.

Training Stress: In Part 1 coach gives command, student originates a falsehood. Coach flunks for out TR 1 or TR 0. In Part 2 coach asks questions of the student on his background or a subject. Student gives untrue data of a plausible sort that the student backs up with further explanatory data upon the coach asking further questions. The coach flunks for out TR 0 and TR 1, and for student fumbling on question answers. The student should be coached on a gradient until he/she can lie facilely.

Short example:

Coach: Where do you come from?

Student: I come from the Housewives Committee on Drug Abuse.

Coach: But you said earlier that you were single.

Student: Well, actually I was married but am divorced. I have 2 kids in the suburbs where I am a housewife, in fact I’m a member of the P.T.A.

Coach: What town is it that you live in?

Student: West Brighton.

Coach: But there is no public school in West Brighton.

Student: I know, I send my children to school in Brighton, and that’s where I’m a P.T.A. member.

Coach: Oh, and who is the Chairman there?

etc.



Clearly, the drill is intended to produce convincing, professional liars.

Flash forward to 2013. David Miscavige has stacked the very highest levels of Scientology Inc. with former Guardians Office personnel.

He disappeared his own wife and assistant Shelly, replacing her with Laurisse Henley-Smith Stuckenbrock, trained intelligence case office from Guardian’s Office Australia.

He appointed to President of RTC (Religious Technology Center) Warren McShane, intelligence trained Guardians Office case officer. He told Warren to his face in my presence on more than one occasion that the only reason he continued to retain Warren was his lying ability; he needed an accomplished liar to front for him when it came to depositions seeking to break the wall of secrecy surrounding Miscavige’s hands on involvement with unlawful operations.

He appointed as head of the Office of Special Affairs (the body purportedly created to replace the GO with something more law-abiding) Linda Hamel, former high-level US Guardians Office intelligence case officer.

He appointed as head of the OSA Intelligence covert operations Neil O’Riley, former Guardians Office intelligence case officer.

He appointed as head of OSA Legal bureau Allan Cartwright, former Guardians Office operative.

There is ample recent indication that Scientology’s third generation – those second and third Scientology generation young people being raised to worship David Miscavige – are being groomed to be liars the likes of which put the old Guardians Office folks to shame.

Given RTC’s and CSI’s record of mendacity and given that virtually everyone on the chain of command between David Miscavige and the outside world are trained Guardians Office operatives, perhaps Training Routine – TR L ought to receive renewed circulation and discussion.
 

SpecialFrog

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Did Marty and Mike do TR-L or were they just naturals?

This isn't to suggest they are lying now but they both certainly lied a lot for the CoS.
 

Anonycat

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Scanned Dox: http://www.solitarytrees.net/racism/img/tr-l.gif

And a relevant clip, an example from Margery Wakefield’s affidavit:

6. I was then instructed by G.O. personnel that I would be called into court where I would, under oath, make certain allegations concerning Judge Fogle: namely, that he had made sexual advances toward me, and also that he had made certain disparaging comments to me about Scientology. This was to be used to disqualify the judge from a case before him dealing with Scientology. I was coached by several different G.O. personnel who pretended to be the cross examining attorneys.

7. I was coached for my performance in court according to the Scientology policy called TR-L (for Training Routine Lie) which I was already familiar with as I had been introduced to it on one of my Scientology courses. TR-L teaches a Scientologist to lie with conviction under stressful circumstances.
 

Cat's Squirrel

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This is interesting - in fact eye-opening - but IMO it doesn't belong in the freezone section since it refers to and only to the actions and activities of the CofS and not those of freezoners.

I think this thread should be moved to a more appropriate forum.
 

AnonKat

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This is interesting - in fact eye-opening - but IMO it doesn't belong in the freezone section since it refers to and only to the actions and activities of the CofS and not those of freezoners.

I think this thread should be moved to a more appropriate forum.

Marty posted in subsection Martyworld, special subsection for all things Marty

Forum
Scientology discussion topics
Freezone, Independents, and other flavors of scientology
MartyWorld
Trained To Lie
 

Type4_PTS

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This post by Marty is a good one.

It should be posted under the "Essential Reading" forum imo.

I hope that Mosey submits this TR-L document into evidence in her legal battle with Scientology. :thumbsup:
 

Cat's Squirrel

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Is Marty a freezoner? Others may know better than I do but he seems to be moving in more of a "critic" direction than a "freezone one, and towards rejecting the Tech rather than reforming or expanding it (as Pilot and others seek to do).

If I'm wrong about this, and I may well be, I'm happy to withdraw my original post in this thread.
 

AnonKat

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Is Marty a freezoner? Others may know better than I do but he seems to be moving in more of a "critic" direction than a "freezone one, and towards rejecting the Tech rather than reforming or expanding it (as Pilot and others seek to do).

If I'm wrong about this, and I may well be, I'm happy to withdraw my original post in this thread.

He isn't even a Scientologist anymore by his own admission on his blog, so maybe martyworld needs to move as a whole or it just falls under

"different flavours"

Or we move Martyworld altogether
 

Type4_PTS

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I found it interesting..that sometime before 1996 the Hubbard Communications Course was changed to the 'Success through communications' or the later was added to the line up and contained a step not in the first course. The change/added drill was how to NOT answer a question, which is a flavour of TR-lie.

I did a Div 6 Communications Course back around 1979 (I believe called the Hubbard Communications Course) and it did at that time have a drill which trained you how to give a "no answer". (making it sound as though you answered a question but you really didn't).
 

dchoiceisalwaysrs

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I did a Div 6 Communications Course back around 1979 (I believe called the Hubbard Communications Course) and it did at that time have a drill which trained you how to give a "no answer". (making it sound as though you answered a question but you really didn't).

I had no idea the change had been around since that 'early'
 

Type4_PTS

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Excerpted from a post by Karen on FB:

"Coming to my YouTube channel soon an old GO veteran with amazing stories, which elaborates a lot more on Marty’s post. Stunning revelations."

 

Terril park

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Is Marty a freezoner? Others may know better than I do but he seems to be moving in more of a "critic" direction than a "freezone one, and towards rejecting the Tech rather than reforming or expanding it (as Pilot and others seek to do).

If I'm wrong about this, and I may well be, I'm happy to withdraw my original post in this thread.

He says he's no longer a scientologist yet still audits. He and wife are the most successfull critics ever.

He's very big on expanding and reforming. Read his blog?
 

Anonycat

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He says he's no longer a scientologist yet still audits. He and wife are the most successfull critics ever.

He's very big on expanding and reforming. Read his blog?

I missed something. I thought the latest on Marty was that he's a scientology cult counselor/deprogrammer and available as an expert witness.
 

Gib

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I did a Div 6 Communications Course back around 1979 (I believe called the Hubbard Communications Course) and it did at that time have a drill which trained you how to give a "no answer". (making it sound as though you answered a question but you really didn't).

My very first reg, I asked her, how do we know what hubbard says is true?

Her answer to me was "well, he never lied to us before".

I accepted that no answer. :duh:

So in essence I was asking a critical thought provoking seeking question (or I was asking for more proof), and I was shut down without me even knowing it, as I just continued without a further thought on my question.

that was 27 years ago. And BTW, she wasn't my reg although I used that term to indicate her hat in the organization,

as I had read dianetics and called in to get some auditing and wanted to go "clear", so nobody "regged me". But, in essence, LRH was my reg, or sales person who sold me on dianetics auditing and the so called state of "clear" which I was sold on that I could achieve, as I read his book.

I wish I had the Jason Beghe cognition back then, which is "show me a mother fuk'in clear?"

I wish I had asked that question back then, 27 years ago, and done a real due diligence.

But hey, he got duped, as did I. :laugh:
 

Operating DB

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I did a Div 6 Communications Course back around 1979 (I believe called the Hubbard Communications Course) and it did at that time have a drill which trained you how to give a "no answer". (making it sound as though you answered a question but you really didn't).

You may have taken the "Success through Communication Course". I remember sup-ing that course. It did have the drill of evading answering a question.
 

Gib

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He says he's no longer a scientologist yet still audits. He and wife are the most successfull critics ever.

He's very big on expanding and reforming. Read his blog?

How do you know he still audits?

How do you know "He's very big on expanding and reforming" ?

You seem to implying things w/o proof.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Outstanding post/thread by Marty at his blog. Thanks Marty!

Brilliant video by Karen (posted there and below). Thanks Karen!

OUTRAGEOUS STUFF!


WARNING: The following video contains hideously cringeworthy HSC by the COS (Hypno-Stat-Chanting by the Clown of Scientology).


[video=youtube;SJ-GjJi0p-g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL97bG9F7T-UebZJmqB9XcMccVi5rplS3P&v=SJ-GjJi0p-g[/video]
 

Gib

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Outstanding post/thread by Marty at his blog. Thanks Marty!

Brilliant video by Karen (posted there and below). Thanks Karen!

OUTRAGEOUS STUFF!


WARNING: The following video contains hideously cringeworthy HSC by the COS (Hypno-Stat-Chanting by the Clown of Scientology).


[video=youtube;SJ-GjJi0p-g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL97bG9F7T-UebZJmqB9XcMccVi5rplS3P&v=SJ-GjJi0p-g[/video]

The only thing you can be upbraided for is "no results" :yes:

:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
 

Smurf

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Is Marty a freezoner? Others may know better than I do but he seems to be moving in more of a "critic" direction than a "freezone one, and towards rejecting the Tech rather than reforming or expanding it (as Pilot and others seek to do).

If I'm wrong about this, and I may well be, I'm happy to withdraw my original post in this thread.

You need to re-read the title of the thread. It's not just about Freezoners. Marty long referred to himself as an Independent.
 
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