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Travolta / Gotti Film release cancelled!

ILove2Lurk

Lisbeth Salander
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John Gotti and Sammy the Bull sitting in a car across the street
from Spark's Steak House while overseeing the Paul Castellano hit.

Musical score by Scientologist Mark Isham.

 
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ILove2Lurk

Lisbeth Salander
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Oops, wrong movie in previous post, LOL. :biggrin:

Six revealing movie clips plus the trailer of John Travolta's Gotti.
You can decide if you want to spend $7 for an afternoon matinée.

 

HelluvaHoax!

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John Gotti and Sammy the Bull sitting in a car across the street
from Spark's Steak House while overseeing the Paul Castellano hit.

Musical score by Scientologist Mark Isham.


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That was an interesting clip to watch.

As i watched it, I thought.

"WUTTTTTTT?"

Then I thought: "Shit! I guess I was wrong. . . "

Then, I thought to myself, "This shows me I don't always know WTF I am talking about because the casting and direction here (opening scenes of trailer) is very good. I didn't know that Gotti director had any chops at all, but they actually did some good casting here and there is a sense of believability in some of this. It's not a clownish cartoon joke, like I assumed Gotti was!"

Then I saw realized it was Armande Assante in that car (pre-Sparks hit) with Sammy The Bull and laughed, realizing that this wasn't a clip from Travolta's movie at all, it was from the earlier Gotti film.

So, I am vindicated.

Almost shook myself up there, but now my space feels calm, knowing that I have got my mob movies shit together! LOL
 

Dave B.

Maximus Ultimus Mostimus
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John Gotti and Sammy the Bull sitting in a car across the street
from Spark's Steak House while overseeing the Paul Castellano hit.

Musical score by Scientologist Mark Isham.

Armand Assante, William Forsythe! and the guy from the Soprano's (Pauly) before he was famous. Nice!

That's what I'm talking about. A nice solid "B" movie no pretensions, (well, maybe a little, but not delusional sh*t like cult related projects).

I don't want people to think I'm going soft on the cult or it's members but evidently Mark Isham had talent already and it was not destroyed by his involvement with the $cientology cult. At least in 1996 anyway. The soundtrack on the Assante "Gotti" movie was good. Appropriate. Not some ridiculous nonsense by the new popular "flavor of the month" guy with a dogs name or whomever. Isham did the soundtrack for Romeo is Bleeding IIRC, which was good also. Don't know what he's done lately, hope the cult has not destroyed him.
 
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Karen#1

Gold Meritorious Patron
Manipulation of statistics is a routine in the cult.
I recall when we were all given CASH $$$ ~~ 100s of us Sea Org members ~~~to purchase "Battlefield Earth" and had do go store to store to all the Barnes and Nobles etc. and the book hit the New York Times Best seller list fraudulently.
This is nothing new.
Now see this ~


https://amp.pastemagazine.com/artic...suspicious-is-happening-with-rotten-toma.html
 

AnonyMary

Formerly Fooled - Finally Free
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Oops, wrong movie in previous post, LOL. :biggrin:

Six revealing movie clips plus the trailer of John Travolta's Gotti.
You can decide if you want to spend $7 for an afternoon matinée.



Thanks, IL2L! Question Did Isham do the music for the 1996 Assante movie, or the Travolta one?

The Assante version was refreshing to watch compared to the 'Six Revealing Clips' one. IMHO, the latest one reveals that Travolta and his wife need to go back to acting classes. No way am I wasting my money on it

Kelly Preston must have skipped the research phase. Throughout, she attempted to make the NYer accent by spreading her jaw and talking loudly. Half the time when she sounded like she was from Massachusetts!

Travolta, well I already said what I wanted to say on his portrayal.

I have not read any reviews, but I figured I would post a video of the real Victoria Gotti (and her father in a lesser way ) in the following mirrored copy of the Dec 2010 CBS show "John Gotti: Their Father, the Godfather Gotti Family Tells "48 Hours" What They Knew About the Mafia and the Life their Notorious Father Wanted to Keep Secret




There really is no comparison.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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Thanks, IL2L! Question Did Isham do the music for the 1996 Assante movie, or the Travolta one?

The Assante version was refreshing to watch compared to the 'Six Revealing Clips' one. IMHO, the latest one reveals that Travolta and his wife need to go back to acting classes. No way am I wasting my money on it

Kelly Preston must have skipped the research phase. Throughout, she attempted to make the NYer accent by spreading her jaw and talking loudly. Half the time when she sounded like she was from Massachusetts!

Travolta, well I already said what I wanted to say on his portrayal.

I have not read any reviews, but I figured I would post a video of the real Victoria Gotti (and her father in a lesser way ) in the following mirrored copy of the Dec 2010 CBS show "John Gotti: Their Father, the Godfather Gotti Family Tells "48 Hours" What They Knew About the Mafia and the Life their Notorious Father Wanted to Keep Secret




There really is no comparison.


I liked your post, especially the critique on the mangled accent and ridiculous over-the-top facial contortions. Amateurish.

But, I think if you check you will find that clip you posted is from Gotti's daughter, not wife.

I'll look for a clip of his wife and post it if i can find her talking. . .
 

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victoria-gotti-sr



Victoria Gotti was born November 27, 1962 in Brooklyn, New York City. Her father was convicted mob boss and criminal John Gotti and her mother was Victoria DiGiorgio (Gotti), who is of Russian Jewish ancestry on her own mother's side.

The daughter has the same name as the mom, so your mistake is easily understandable. Victoria Jr. is a reality show celeb and writer.

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ILove2Lurk

Lisbeth Salander
Thanks, IL2L! Question Did Isham do the music for the 1996 Assante movie, or the Travolta one?
Mark Isham's Gotti Theme Song (1996 Assante movie) is on Youtube.

I love this opening track by Isham. Quite moody and good.

Captures NY of the day and the movie's theme.

 
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ILove2Lurk

Lisbeth Salander
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Not worthy of its own thread. Will mention here cuz of Scientology family connection.

I watched a new drama series tonight on Paramount Network (241 on DIRECTV),
starring Kevin Costner . . . Yellowstone. Was well done and pretty entertaining.

Executive Producers are John and Art Linson. Still big Hollywood machers, I guess.
Jenny Linson is Art Linson's daughter; ex-wife of Tom DeVocht. Oh, well. :shrug:

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Leland

Crusader
Haven't dug to deeply into this....don't know if all these dots connect....but here's some info.

Movie Pass Ventures either bought or was talked into distributing Gotti?
Movie Pass is a subscription based discount movie ticket seller.

I assume Gotti owners thought no matter what, they'd get at least Movie Pass Subscribers to go see the film?

I don't know what chops or weight Movie Pass can exert in the Film Distribution field....??

Sounds more like Movie Pass is perhaps one step up from going straight to DVD...?

I guess Movie Distribution can make or break a film?

Movie Pass is owned by a Parent Company called HMNY.

HMNY 's stock dropped a WHOPPING 30% today!

https://www.google.com/search?q=HMNY&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1
 

Leland

Crusader
In October of last year, HMNY's stock was at $20.00

Today....it is at 0.31 CENTS....!

We could have all made a fortune shorting the stock and Company behind the distribution of Gotti!
 

Leland

Crusader
Dug a bit deeper....

Its all a lot more complicated and convoluted...

Movie Pass Ventures DID take an equity stake in Gotti.

So...that means they put up $money for the film Gotti. Deal was reported to be worth in the low 7 figures...

https://deadline.com/2018/04/moviepass-john-travolta-gotti-movie-stake-1202376229/

It looks like Gotti had a deal with Vertical Entertainment to distribute the film...and then Vertical made a deal with Movie Pass??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_Entertainment
 

HelluvaHoax!

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In October of last year, HMNY's stock was at $20.00

Today....it is at 0.31 CENTS....!

We could have all made a fortune shorting the stock and Company behind the distribution of Gotti!


I think there are two (2) things going on with that stock. . .

The massive and sudden crash in their stock price is related to a major movie industry company (AMC MOVIE THEATERS) announcing their "subscription plan" where movie goers can pay $19.95 per month and see any three (3) movie they want each week (12 a month). That is why Movie Pass' stock crashed 30% in one day this week.

As you say, it didn't help that Gotti was a miserable bomb and that Movie Pass compounded their horrific miscalculations by investing a low 7 figure number into Gotti's production budget. So Movie Pass is revealed to be in deep trouble as reflected by vanishing market confidence and people dumping their stock.

But wait. . . . . it gets worse, lol.

Movie Pass actually LOSES money on each movie attendance they sponsor.

In other words, Movie Pass has to pay cash out of pocked on each transaction, not earn any profit!

And behind all this the parent company has issued massive numbers of new shares of stock (I think a billion shares in all) so they can KEEP SELLING STOCK IN ORDER TO FINANCE THEIR MASSIVE LOSSES ON THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR EACH MOVIE ATTENDEE IN THEIR MARKETING PLAN.

Their theory is that if they can reach critical mass with enough subscribers/clients, they could turn the corner and begin to break even and then go on to realize large margins (profit) and leverage within the industry as a force that can dictate (to some degree) the distribution of movies---because of their ability to bring customers into theaters.

None of that is happening and now the stock has crashed out. It doesn't appear they are long for the world, unless some billionaire or mega-player comes in to save them with a monster cash infusion--and the willingness to suffer massive cash-loss until it "turns around".

The ill-conceived ideas of Movie Pass are epic. They are in the business of bringing movie theater customers in. But suddenly they fancied themselves as a movie studio (financing movie production budgets). That's craaaaaazzzzy. And they obviously had no freaking idea whatsoever that there is such a thing as a horrible movie that bombs, no matter how "brilliant" your marketing schemes are. None of their high-flying formulas work if customers hate the movie.

This is what happens when "bean counters" and self-proclaimed marketing geniuses assume that they are also able to win at the high stakes game of gambling on what movies to invest in. It's a fools game, especially if you can't sit in a screening of Gotti (before investing) and easily realize that the movie is an amateurish nightmare. They hyped themselves into losing biggggggg because they can't tell the difference between a blockbuster and a disaster.

Honestly, virtually everyone outside the movie industry could figure out that GOTTI was going to be a bomb a long, long time ago. Movie Pass is rapidly becoming a joke in the industry, same as Gotti and Travolta.
 

Type4_PTS

Diamond Invictus SP
The people marketing the Gotti movie have been screaming that the audience LOVES the movie, unlike the critics that they're characterizing as "the trolls behind keyboards."

However, the box office stats tell a different story. From Roger Friedman's post:
“Gotti” Dying a Slow Death at Box Office After Scandal Over Possibly Planted Reviews

[bcolor=#ffff99]In fact, on Monday “Gotti” had the biggest drop from Sunday of any new or current film playing in 500 theaters or more– 64%. On Tuesday, when adults go to the movies, “Gotti” had the smallest increase among the same films– 12%.[/bcolor]

When an audience LOVES a movie they tell others about it and the box office stats don't crash by 64% on that first Monday.

All signs point to manipulation of the audience score at Rotten Tomatoes.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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The people marketing the Gotti movie have been screaming that the audience LOVES the movie, unlike the critics that they're characterizing as "the trolls behind keyboards).

However, the box office stats tell a different story. From Roger Friedman's post:
“Gotti” Dying a Slow Death at Box Office After Scandal Over Possibly Planted Reviews

[bcolor=#ffff99]In fact, on Monday “Gotti” had the biggest drop from Sunday of any new or current film playing in 500 theaters or more– 64%. On Tuesday, when adults go to the movies, “Gotti” had the smallest increase among the same films– 12%.[/bcolor]

When an audience LOVES a movie they tell others about it and the box office stats don't crash by 64% on that first Monday.

All signs point to manipulation of the audience score at Rotten Tomatoes.


Excellent how quickly the truth behind the deception is coming to light!

"Gotti" is suffering from the identical fate as Scientology.

They both promise glorious wins. They both assure one and all that people "LOVE" their product. They both exclaim with blinkless euphoria how amazing their statistics are. They both manufacture "evidence" to prove that they are flourishing and prospering in order to dupe people into buying their product.

All lies. Con artists at work.

One wonders how long Travolta will hold onto his lame excuses of why the movie bombed so horrifically if "audiences LUVVVVVV it!" and finally admit that the reason it crashed so humiliatingly is because it's a terrible movie. He never admitted that Scientology OT levels don't produce OTs and it might be years before he ever concedes that his movie was a failure because almost everyone DID NOT LIKE IT.

Travolta may NEVER admit that to himself. He has been living in that OT bubble most of his life and he might be too set in his ways to use his TR-0 to "confront" the truth.

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triumph

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The stuff I read in other articles , its that Movie Pass is loaded with Debut.

they have 2 films and the stinker "Gotti" might be the anchor that sinks them
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JT getting up there In age and like most aging actors the roles will shrink...

nothing last forever John..

Kiss the "A" list goodbye JT... strap into the rocking chair and sink quickly and quietly to the "D" List...

build up that "retirement nest egg" with work as a pitchman/spokesperson for preparation "H"

become a good Grandfather by giving your Grandchildren something you haven't given your children yet,...

a normal life.
 
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