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Smilla

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Hubbard's compulsive "aesthetics" go way back. As a writer he was "good" but not great, in the commercial field. He was an "early adopter" of the Mellotron, which he had at St. Hill (any one know if it is still extant?) and there was one early recording of him playing the intro to "Thus Spake Zarathustra" as an intro to one of the RJ's.
(This was AFTER Kubrick had used it in the dramatic intro to "2001: A Space Odyssey".)

[video=youtube;6pMAlUXtA_A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pMAlUXtA_A[/video]

Compulsive copying is a characteristic of BT's as I recall.

I've actually got a Mellotron, and the sound is still very popular amongst prog rockers. Porcupine Tree and Blackfield use them. Very temperamental piece of equipment - risky to use live. Mine lives in my studio, and never goes out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ITbXB_oC60
 

Gadfly

Crusader
Hubbard's compulsive "aesthetics" go way back. As a writer he was "good" but not great, in the commercial field. He was an "early adopter" of the Mellotron, which he had at St. Hill (any one know if it is still extant?) and there was one early recording of him playing the intro to "Thus Spake Zarathustra" as an intro to one of the RJ's.

(This was AFTER Kubrick had used it in the dramatic intro to "2001: A Space Odyssey".)

I remember Hubbard playng this on the intro to an RJ back in 1976 or 1977, and he played it on a very cheesy Wurlitzer organ while a "rhythm machine" (part of the Wurlitzer organ) also played.

Personally, to me, it was so painfully amateurish. But, others at the event were joyously rocking their heads to the tune!!! :hysterical:

Now, if Hubbard was using a Mellotron in 1976-77, this is WAY long after the Moody Blues and others had used it back in the late 1960s. King Crimson used it on their first album in 1969, after Ian McDonald suggested the new band purchase a Mellotron (the first example of the band’s persistent involvement with music technology) and they began using it to create an orchestral rock sound, inspired by The Moody Blues. (ref: Wikipedia)
 

Div6

Crusader
I've actually got a Mellotron, and the sound is still very popular amongst prog rockers. Porcupine Tree and Blackfield use them. Very temperamental piece of equipment - risky to use live. Mine lives in my studio, and never goes out!



Wow Smilla. Very Cool. Can I come play it some time...:)

Rick Wakeman rues the day he took all of his out into a field and burned them. He invested in the Birotron (short lived startup that used 8-track cassettes for the tape banks) and is currently using a Memotron (http://www.manikin-electronic.com/en/products_memotron.html).

There is a history of the Mellotron Movie (http://www.amazon.com/Mellodrama-Mellotron-Movie-Brian-Wilson/dp/B0030FQNP8) which is pretty cool as well.

Sorry for the derail - back to Obsessive-Compulsive Aesthetic Ser-Fac installations....
 

David Mayo

Patron with Honors
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A psychiatrist or a clinic psychologists would tell you that a person who changes his account of certain events suffers from one or another form of mental retardation including certain types of schizophrenia, Alzheimer’s disease, dementia, Down syndrome, etc.
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I would add, cognitive dissonance, which may be more common than is often considered in the subject being discussed in this thread and often on this board.
 

Gadfly

Crusader
I've actually got a Mellotron, and the sound is still very popular amongst prog rockers. Porcupine Tree and Blackfield use them. Very temperamental piece of equipment - risky to use live. Mine lives in my studio, and never goes out!


Why bother with all those tape loops? Just get a software (virtual) version of the darned thing.

I have the M-Tron by G-Force and you get EVERY version of the Mellotron, with strings, vocal choruses, solo instruments, etc. These software packages use digital recordings of EACH note of the Mellotron. Plus, THEY add in other features not available on the original hardware versions.

feature-mtronpro.png


What it Sounds Like (Click HERE)
 
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Smilla

Ordinary Human
Wow Smilla. Very Cool. Can I come play it some time...:)

Rick Wakeman rues the day he took all of his out into a field and burned them. He invested in the Birotron (short lived startup that used 8-track cassettes for the tape banks) and is currently using a Memotron (http://www.manikin-electronic.com/en/products_memotron.html).

There is a history of the Mellotron Movie (http://www.amazon.com/Mellodrama-Mellotron-Movie-Brian-Wilson/dp/B0030FQNP8) which is pretty cool as well.

Sorry for the derail - back to Obsessive-Compulsive Aesthetic Ser-Fac installations....

Sure
:)

Here's a cheery tune with lots of Mellotron:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ieKdJnW7Rs


 

Smilla

Ordinary Human
Why bother with all those tape loops? Just get a software (virtual) version of the darned thing.

I have the M-Tron by G-Force and you get EVERY version of the Mellotron, with strings, vocal choruses, solo instruments, etc. These software packages use digital recordings of EACH note of the Mellotron. Plus, THEY add in other features not available on the original hardware versions.

feature-mtronpro.png

The Mellotron was a birthday gift from a certain well-known prog rocker who couldn't be bothered playing it himself anymore...

For me it's a lovely thing, and it does sound great :)
 
When I was a teen I got hooked on Switched on Bach by Walter Carlos, and I still have another album by her. So when Their Royal Satanic Majesties request came out I was so thrilled - played the tracks off it. I also love Neil Young's Tron - sample and hold and all of the tunes on it. I once met Greg Heet - he invented the E bow - he got up to clear before he bailed. http://www.ebow.com/home.php

You can hear it on this song -

[video=youtube;cMYSWiPm7E0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMYSWiPm7E0[/video]

Mims
 
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Smilla

Ordinary Human
When I was a teen I got hooked on Switched on Bach by Walter Carlos, and I still have another album by her. So when Their Royal Satanic Majesties request came out I was so thrilled - played the tracks off it. I also love Neil Young's Tron - sample and hold and all of the tunes on it. I once met Greg Heet - he invented the E bow - he got up to clear before he bailed. http://www.ebow.com/home.php

You can hear it on this song -

[video]http://www.ebow.com/home.php[/video]

Mims

Yeah, I know a couple of guitarists who use the e bow, but I have mixed feelings about them. Probably because my main instrument is the violin... All violinists are obsessive about tone tone tone, and I find the basic tone of the e bow a bit unappealing. Just my opinion.
 

Smilla

Ordinary Human
Have you ever tried it on the violin? Wait - violin don't have metal strings do they? How do the electric ones work? If they don't have metal strings how do the pickups work? Mims Oh hell, I got of my lazy ass and looked it up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_violin Mims

[video=youtube;Yd2Zzbi90vo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd2Zzbi90vo[/video]

The pickups are piezo, under the bridge, but I use a nice little condenser mic as well, as I dislike the sound of piezo pickups. Piezos work much better on a guitar than a violin. The strings I use are silver wrapped nylon - quite similar the the best classical guitar strings. I use steel strings on one of my solid-bodied violins for certain kinds of live work, too. Never tried the e bow, but I don't think it would work very well. A good violin bow costs lots of money...
 

R6Basic

Patron Meritorious
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He'd put a tape of a train on, and listen to it, trying to pick up the lows and highs as it played. The only trouble was, as he got older, as do we all, our ability to pick up the sounds on certain frequencies decreased. In other words, he couldn't hear all levels. This led to trouble...




I can't tell you the number of audio people canned, mixers, techies, etc, for sabotaging projects. They'd usually not face the full RPF, they'd get canned, then brough back again because of their unique expertise in the area. Poor David Wilson, don't know what ever became of him, but that guy stuck to it through the thick and thin, trying to get Hubbard the product he wanted.

Soon, we realized that we couldn't do a mix that was good. Instead, we had to make a mix that Hubbard would like, catering to his physical hearing drawbacks. Boost the highs and mids, get it so he could hear it.


The cassette tapes.... well, of course the reproduction machines had to be tinkered with to change their frequency response..... which was actually catering, as I said, to the old man's hearing.




But, whenever someone would come in to do a voice recording, there would inevitably be hell as Hubbard would scream about the mics being displaced, throwing off the sound quality. Of course I had the pics and measurements to compare, and, usually, the mics were in the same position they were supposed to be in.

The music department of cine... Gawwd. We had pros in the field come in to dedicate themselves to making the scores for movies. These guys were abused horribly by Hubbard.... First, he'd scream at their arrangements, etc, then scream at the poor frequency responses (sometimes they used synthesizers which could deliver at whatever frequency response you wanted). I'd take Hubbard's screaming and yelling and invalidating and tone it down by 90% before passing it on to the music guys. If they'd ever known how badly he put down their work.... they'd have probably killed themselves.These guys were true artists with incredible abilities... until they started listening to Hubbard. Then they became cowed shadows of themselves....

Point of this story, which I hope hasn't been too boring, is tons of man hours, expensive equipment, and good work was wasted, as Hubbard couldn't admit that he had human frailties, a body which aged and lost hearing. Instead of understanding this he canned audio guys left and right, destroyed my hearing (lol) from his screaming at the SPs out there trying to destroy his good results, and wasted talented music department guys, commercial audio mixers..... as we learned, Hubbard coulnd't be wrong...

No not too boring.


What went thru my mind as I read this was this:

One of the characteristics of the antisocial personality is misplacement of cause.
When the refrigerator is broken they will kick the cat.
 
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