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What went thru my mind as I read this was this:

One of the characteristics of the antisocial personality is misplacement of cause.

When the refrigerator is broken they will kick the cat.​



Excellent point...

And continuing that lovely LRH theme:


One of the characteristics of the antisocial personality is misplacement of cause.

When the refrigerator is broken, they will kick the cat.

When the tech is broken, they will kick the NCG.

When the spell preventing critics from speaking out is broken, they will kick the bucket.​
 
omg!! I finally figured it out - when I accidentally hit the escape key it wipes out my post completely. God - that has been driving me nuts for days. Does anybody know how to undo the erasure?

Anyway! Cowboy - I hope you are still with us after that epic derail I contributed to. I think few of us have had the "pleasure" of meeting the man, so these slices taken of his life are very illuminating as to what he was like and how people dealt with him. It seems to me that CMO was ostensibly in charge - since it seems apparent, he no longer wanted to be. Was this a conscious decision by the execs in CMO to filter what he was told, or they just fell into it as it was just survival with an unpredictable ruler on the loose?

It reminds me of the Dev-t graphed policy with the unstable senior.

Another question - some people tell stories of his "generosity" - was their any truth to it? Example: this guy I knew worked on some sort of TV ad and messed it up. Hubbard flipped out, and made him reshoot it at his own expense (I seem to recall a $10K figure in 70's money) and after he was done and it was approved, Ron thanked him, and repaid him what he had spent. Do you remember any stuff like that?

Mimsey
 

Gadfly

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omg!! I finally figured it out - when I accidentally hit the escape key it wipes out my post completely. God - that has been driving me nuts for days. Does anybody know how to undo the erasure?


Mimsey

I have lost many a post by hitting some crazy combination of keys while typing away madly with two fingers.

This is my new "standard tech" to prevent such from happening.

I open up a text program, such as Wordpad or Notepad, and continually copy what I have written into it. Then if I trash my post, I can get the most recent version of it. Or, if you don't plan on using many text features (bold, italics, smilies), then compose the entire post in Notepad or Wordpad (this is for MS users). When finished, copy and paste it back into the composition box on ESMB.
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation
If you get into the habit of hitting the 'preview post' button every so often you can go back to it via history or just arrow back if you lose it and the post will be intact minus anything you added since you last previewed it.


:yes:
 

Gadfly

Crusader
If you get into the habit of hitting the 'preview post' button every so often you can go back to it via history or just arrow back if you lose it and the post will be intact minus anything you added since you last previewed it.

:yes:

I have also lost many posts when hitting the "preview post" button.

Then, when I "go back", the page automatically REFRESHES, leaving it BLANK! :ohmy: :angry:

What do you mean by "via history"? This is something that I don't seem to know about that might help in such situations. Where and how do I access "history"?
 
I was typing with the keyboard in my lap - and after retyping it a third time I saw my finger graze the key and the post disappear- I was so relieved to "get the real why". Now if someone can tell my why the cursor sometimes disappears while writing a post making it really difficult to go back and fix things. I have dyslectic fingers and they don't always type what I think, so I do a lot of going over what I wrote so it has some semblance to the Queen's English. I'm not a Brit but I love that expression - how the queen owns everything in the realm

Mimsye <-- see, my fingers even messed up my own name. Maybe there is a GAT typing drill I can use? Altho you should see all of the typos in the solo nots GAT packs - there were some tired staff when they cranked those pages out. Boy, Howdey!
 

cowboy

Patron with Honors
omg!! I finally figured it out - when I accidentally hit the escape key it wipes out my post completely. God - that has been driving me nuts for days. Does anybody know how to undo the erasure?

Anyway! Cowboy - I hope you are still with us after that epic derail I contributed to. I think few of us have had the "pleasure" of meeting the man, so these slices taken of his life are very illuminating as to what he was like and how people dealt with him. It seems to me that CMO was ostensibly in charge - since it seems apparent, he no longer wanted to be. Was this a conscious decision by the execs in CMO to filter what he was told, or they just fell into it as it was just survival with an unpredictable ruler on the loose?

It reminds me of the Dev-t graphed policy with the unstable senior.

Another question - some people tell stories of his "generosity" - was their any truth to it? Example: this guy I knew worked on some sort of TV ad and messed it up. Hubbard flipped out, and made him reshoot it at his own expense (I seem to recall a $10K figure in 70's money) and after he was done and it was approved, Ron thanked him, and repaid him what he had spent. Do you remember any stuff like that?

Mimsey

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cowboy

Patron with Honors
omg!! I finally figured it out - when I accidentally hit the escape key it wipes out my post completely. God - that has been driving me nuts for days. Does anybody know how to undo the erasure?

Anyway! Cowboy - I hope you are still with us after that epic derail I contributed to. I think few of us have had the "pleasure" of meeting the man, so these slices taken of his life are very illuminating as to what he was like and how people dealt with him. It seems to me that CMO was ostensibly in charge - since it seems apparent, he no longer wanted to be. Was this a conscious decision by the execs in CMO to filter what he was told, or they just fell into it as it was just survival with an unpredictable ruler on the loose?

It reminds me of the Dev-t graphed policy with the unstable senior.

Another question - some people tell stories of his "generosity" - was their any truth to it? Example: this guy I knew worked on some sort of TV ad and messed it up. Hubbard flipped out, and made him reshoot it at his own expense (I seem to recall a $10K figure in 70's money) and after he was done and it was approved, Ron thanked him, and repaid him what he had spent. Do you remember any stuff like that?

Mimsey

The CMO acted sort of like the LRH letter writing unit. We responded in his name and were tasked with dealing with difficult situations. Of course, not only did we answer in his name, but when we did send something in and it was a mess, he'd often take it out on the messenger.

The messengers had zones of responsibility, for instance DM was in charge of Cine camera stuff at one point, and the messengers would often be there when a particular submission was presented, to answer questions on the submission, take any wrath, etc.

CMO was not "ostensibly" in charge. It was in charge. Period. It was everything. Only a messenger could get you in to see the man, and that on the rarest of occassions. Mostly personal contacts occured on a walkabout, or when he worked Cine. Any visitors were usually something to do with Cine, going over a mix, a video, an edit, etc. Of course there were times that Hubbard would present to their area of work and frequently lambast them.

We learned his health, which was strained, was important as well, and his vessel-bursting tyrades at exposure to bad news would leave him shaking with rage and red-faced.

Yes, there was good to the man. I mentioned earlier in this thread that he paid for the SU messengers to all go to a Bee Gees concert.

Have you ever noticed how a beaten dog still graves the pet of it's master? So, too, did messengers crave the rare word of praise, which was sufficient for them to weather the fowl-mouthed tyrades and demeaning comments that were far more frequent.

I remember more than one occassion when several of us stood outside his room arguing over who had to go in and present bad news, knowing they might full well come out missing their head....
 
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Veda

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The CMO acted sort of like the LRH letter writing unit. We responded in his name and were tasked with dealing with difficult situations. Of course, not only did we answer in his name, but when we did send something in and it was a mess, he'd often take it out on the messenger.

The messengers had zones of responsibility, for instance DM was in charge of Cine camera stuff at one point,

Do you recall the year?

and the messengers would often be there when a particular submission was presented, to answer questions on the submission, take any wrath, etc.

CMO was not "ostensibly" in charge. It was in charge. Period. It was everything. Only a messenger could get you in to see the man, and that on the rarest of occassions. Mostly personal contacts occured on a walkabout, or when he worked Cine. Any visitors were usually something to do with Cine, going over a mix, a video, an edit, etc. Of course there were times that Hubbard would present to their area of work and frequently lambast them.

We learned his health, which was strained, was important as well, and his vessel-bursting tyrades at exposure to bad news would leave him shaking with rage and red-faced.

Yes, there was good to the man. I mentioned earlier in this thread that he paid for the SU messengers to all go to a Bee Gees concert.

Have you ever noticed how a beaten dog still graves the pet of it's master? So, too, did messengers crave the rare word of praise, which was sufficient for them to weather the fowl-mouthed tyrades and demeaning comments that were far more frequent.

I remember more than one occassion when several of us stood outside his room arguing over who had to go in and present bad news, knowing they might full well come out missing their head....

SU? "SU" doesn't ring a bell. Please explain "SU."

Also, can you say what the average age for Messengers was? and how long - since roughly what age - they had been Messengers?

Thanks.:)
 

TG1

Angelic Poster
Cowboy,

I don't know how old you are, if you're a boy or a girl, how long you were CMO, etc. But it seems clear you were thrust as a very young person (perhaps as an adolescent) into a very stressful atmosphere with responsibilities and dangers far beyond those experienced by most young people.

As you look back on your CMO experience, how do you think that youthful experience affected your own development as a person? For instance, how did those years affect your own maturing abilities related to discipline, courage, emotion, trust, intimacy, etc.?

Or, if you'd rather make more general observations, what did you witness of the development of other CMOs who had been thrust into such high-stress experiences so early in life?

TG1
 
In an earlier post I think he said it was SO, but I could be wrong. Anyway - thanks for the response Cowboy.

Glen Malkin told me once he had some guys who pulled off some sort of coup for Scientology and all the thanks they wanted was dinner with the old man - no way Jose! They were really bummed that he wouldn't give them an hour of his time for all they did.

Kinda selfish? Or did he no longer care what people thought of him?

Mimsey
 

Krautfag

Patron Meritorious
Or, if you'd rather make more general observations, what did you witness of the development of other CMOs who had been thrust into such high-stress experiences so early in life?

TG1

TG, I wouldn't venture on the excuse and explanation trail for that particular CMO you probably think of.

You can't turn a really nice person into a real asshole, he would lack the asshole creativity and the lust of being one. Some people are just born as an asshole and, depending on their social experiences in society, are becoming a bearable asshole or a really giant big asshole. A born asshole with a lack of tallness is practically guaranteed to belong to the latter group, needs to make up for size, ya know.
 

cowboy

Patron with Honors
Do you recall the year?



SU? "SU" doesn't ring a bell. Please explain "SU."

Also, can you say what the average age for Messengers was? and how long - since roughly what age - they had been Messengers?

Thanks.:)

SU is Special Unit. Top of the CMO echelon. This would have been around 77. Average age of the messengers, 16 or 17 I'd say.
 

TG1

Angelic Poster
TG, I wouldn't venture on the excuse and explanation trail for that particular CMO you probably think of.

You can't turn a really nice person into a real asshole, he would lack the asshole creativity and the lust of being one. Some people are just born as an asshole and, depending on their social experiences in society, are becoming a bearable asshole or a really giant big asshole. A born asshole with a lack of tallness is practically guaranteed to belong to the latter group, needs to make up for size, ya know.

Kfag,

I'm not 100% positive I understand your point. But if you were wondering whether I was asking how DM was affected by his CMO experience, that's really not what I was asking about. You and I are in agreement that DM must have started his development with a very large dose of assholeness to have wound up as well developed an asshole as he is today.

Instead, I was thinking about how many young people were placed in that situation -- and was wondering simply how Cowboy has observed their lives develop as adults, as a (partial) function of their early, intense CMO experiences.

TG1
 

cowboy

Patron with Honors
Cowboy,

I don't know how old you are, if you're a boy or a girl, how long you were CMO, etc. But it seems clear you were thrust as a very young person (perhaps as an adolescent) into a very stressful atmosphere with responsibilities and dangers far beyond those experienced by most young people.

As you look back on your CMO experience, how do you think that youthful experience affected your own development as a person? For instance, how did those years affect your own maturing abilities related to discipline, courage, emotion, trust, intimacy, etc.?

Or, if you'd rather make more general observations, what did you witness of the development of other CMOs who had been thrust into such high-stress experiences so early in life?

TG1

Wow, pointed questions.

I get out at a much younger age than many. I saw the emperor wasn't wearing any clothes so didn't want to support the person or organization. For me personally, for all the bad, there was good. It taught me that age wasn't always a measurement of one's ability to be responsible for their actions, that you could control your destiny, I learned management of others, etc. In life outside I started several businesses which prospered well and which helped me accomplish my goals in the non-Scn world.

People who stayed and got out.... I've seen financial ruin, suicidal actions, inability to hold a job or relationship.... mental difficulties.

I was fortunate. I stopped drinking the Kool Aid earlier than most. I saw first hand how things were done and that the church was built upon lies and deceptions and got out.
 

cowboy

Patron with Honors
In an earlier post I think he said it was SO, but I could be wrong. Anyway - thanks for the response Cowboy.

Glen Malkin told me once he had some guys who pulled off some sort of coup for Scientology and all the thanks they wanted was dinner with the old man - no way Jose! They were really bummed that he wouldn't give them an hour of his time for all they did.

Kinda selfish? Or did he no longer care what people thought of him?

Mimsey

Kings don't eat with commoners.
 

Veda

Sponsor
SU is Special Unit. Top of the CMO echelon. This would have been around 77. Average age of the messengers, 16 or 17 I'd say.

Thanks.

Can you give me an idea of how long most of them had been messengers? Since what ages? And what were they - post-wise - before they were messengers?
 

cowboy

Patron with Honors
TG, I wouldn't venture on the excuse and explanation trail for that particular CMO you probably think of.

You can't turn a really nice person into a real asshole, he would lack the asshole creativity and the lust of being one. Some people are just born as an asshole and, depending on their social experiences in society, are becoming a bearable asshole or a really giant big asshole. A born asshole with a lack of tallness is practically guaranteed to belong to the latter group, needs to make up for size, ya know.

One can frequently see characteristics in an individual in their adolescence which will become even more dominant in the adult years.
 
Another question - Andrea Sabriskie told me she used to cook for the old man on the ship - she would toss in a little of this, a little of that (spices) and make a dish and it would be served to him - then he would demand the exact recipe so she could make it again the same way. of course she didn't recall exactly what she did so the next time she tried to make it, it came out different and he got pissed at her. It used to vex her a lot, she liked the freedom to tweak her cooking here and there and it would always piss him off when it didn't taste the same. Was he that way in other parts of his life?

Mimsey
 

cowboy

Patron with Honors
Thanks.

Can you give me an idea of how long most of them had been messengers? Since what ages? And what were they - post-wise - before they were messengers?


Most went straight to the CMO, slightly over half I'd say, starting at 12 or so for many. A few held other posts and would enter a little bit later, after some non-CMO experience. Very, very, very few got in in their twenties. Mostly not where the old man was.
 
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