Purple Rain
Crusader
This is so exciting! Keep going, please, cowboy!
First and foremost, Scientology was a marketing effort.
I remember once discussing what the next "released" level should deal with. Hubbard said go out and do a survey as to what people's wants were, what was the ruin, most pressing on their minds? Whatever that was is what the next level's result would be. And just tell them, he explained, through his marketing genius, if they pc didn't achieve that result, advise the staff to tell them that the next level would achieve that result.
I left when I realized that even Hubbard himself was a far cry from any of the results promised through clearing and OT. It took me years to separate the promises from the reality. I saw him in his daily activities, through his own ups and downs, illnesses, losses, frustrations, rages. I twisted my mind trying to make the facts fit into the promises. It didn't work.
NED was developed becasue Dianetics didn't work. NOTS was developed because NED didn't work.
None of it worked. Not one bit. Not on him. Not on others. Sure, it made some people feel good for a while. But did any of the avowed results ever come to fruition? Of course not.
Someone with credibility here please post something when you have some idea of whether cowboy seems genuine or not.
Paul
Many years ago, within the structure of the C of S, Flag was paramount. But removed and cloaked in secrecy was the special unit, hidden in various places, primarily southern Calif. However, removed and hidden from those at the special unit was a series of smaller bases, where Hubbard worked with a trusted few. Many of their names are known. Some are not.
I spent thousands of hours over many years in daily contact with the man. I experienced first hand more than most could even imagine.
Only the very tip of the iceberg is talked about here.
Few can truly understand what went on in the final days.
I'm still uncertain if I want to even discuss it.
Paul, hate to be boring, but the old man had no comment or upset or concern over perceived errors in his prior books. That concern only developed after his death. He did, however, occassionally have concerns over policy letters or bulletins that might have been issued erroneously.A recurring question that I see is why Hubbard allowed his books to remain as-is for 25 years or so when full of typos. My assumption is that he didn't give a rat's ass. Did he ever comment on that to you? (Not that he always told the truth!)
What I would find most interesting, would be any commentary on Robert Vaughn-Young's article on Hubbard being murdered. I don't expect any revelations from you, but I can ask.
Paul
This is going to be either the Greatest Story Ever Told or boy, have we been had!
I have only rumors from reliable sources on his death, but nothing which I can repeat with any certainty.
Someone with credibility here please post something when you have some idea of whether cowboy seems genuine or not.
Paul
Yes. What happened between David Mayo and Hubbard?
First and foremost, Scientology was a marketing effort.
I remember once discussing what the next "released" level should deal with. Hubbard said go out and do a survey as to what people's wants were, what was the ruin, most pressing on their minds? Whatever that was is what the next level's result would be. And just tell them, he explained, through his marketing genius, if they pc didn't achieve that result, advise the staff to tell them that the next level would achieve that result.
I left when I realized that even Hubbard himself was a far cry from any of the results promised through clearing and OT. It took me years to separate the promises from the reality. I saw him in his daily activities, through his own ups and downs, illnesses, losses, frustrations, rages. I twisted my mind trying to make the facts fit into the promises. It didn't work.
NED was developed becasue Dianetics didn't work. NOTS was developed because NED didn't work.
None of it worked. Not one bit. Not on him. Not on others. Sure, it made some people feel good for a while. But did any of the avowed results ever come to fruition? Of course not.
Yes, I met HRH and chatted briefly with him. He seemed cowed by the whole "Flag" deal as he hobbled around the upper decks. I would have liked to have had a more meaningful discourse with him..... like what did he think of his son.... but I didn't. And Hubbard never spoke of his father when I was with him. Of course, remember, I was only a child then.Welcome, Cowboy.
So glad you are here with all of Us.
Looks like we were shipmates on the Apollo. There's some other former Apollo Crew here, too.
Were you aboard when HRH came to visit? Love to hear your take on that.
Face
Look, cowboy, if you ever saw the X-Files, I'm like agent Fox Mulder - I WANT TO BELIEVE!
Help me and others put this saga of mans' history to rest - set us free with the TRUTH!
Unlike Tom Cruise, we can handle it!
Good lord, what a loaded question. I would, respectfully, ask that you be more specific and name the year. Their relationship was long and complex, with ups and down and turns and twists. So one cannot take a slice of time and necessarily say that was representative of the relationship as a whole.
Let me explain a couple facts of life near Hubbard;
1. Jealousies were always present, with subtle and sometimes not so subtle attempts at achieving power by those who worked with the old man. If one person became more greatly trusted, it would often create bad will among others. Such trust would be undermined by those with jealousies.
2. Everything Hubbard was aware of for many years was heavily censored. One couldn't give him bad news, or complete news. He made erroneous judgements based upon this.
I bring up these two facts as they played heavily in the Mayo/Hubbard relationship.
OK. How about that final "Loyal Officer Flag Order," that got cancelled by DM a couple of years later. Any comments on that?
Paul
Wow..... I believe you and everyone here has accurately guessed why that came to pass. Sorry for being nebulous. But isn't it obvious?