Tribalism within Scientology

[Mimsey Borogrove]

tribe
trīb/
noun
noun: tribe; plural noun: tribes
1.
a social division in a traditional society consisting of families or communities linked by social, economic, religious, or blood ties, with a common culture and dialect, typically having a recognized leader.
"indigenous Indian tribes"
synonyms:
ethnic group, people, band, nation; More
family, dynasty, house, clan, sept
"nomadic tribes of the Sahara"
[bcolor=#ffff00](in ancient Rome) each of several political divisions, originally three, later thirty, ultimately thirty-five.[/bcolor]
derogatory
[bcolor=#ffff00]a distinctive close-knit group.[/bcolor]
[bcolor=#ffff00]"she made a stand against the social codes of her English middle-class tribe"[/bcolor]
synonyms:
ethnic group, people, band, nation; More
family, dynasty, house, clan, sept
"nomadic tribes of the Sahara"
informal
a large number of people or animals.
"tribes of children playing under the watchful eyes of nurses"
2.
Biology
a taxonomic category that ranks above genus and below family or subfamily, usually ending in -ini (in zoology) or -eae (in botany).
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tribe (trīb)
n.
1. A unit of sociopolitical organization consisting of a number of families, clans, or other groups who share a common ancestry and culture and among whom leadership is typically neither formalized nor permanent.
2. A political, ethnic, or ancestral division of ancient states and cultures, especially:
a. Any of the three divisions of the ancient Romans, namely, the Latin, Sabine, and Etruscan.
b. Any of the 12 divisions of ancient Israel.
c. A phyle of ancient Greece.
[bcolor=#ffff00]3. A group of people sharing an occupation, interest, or habit: a tribe of graduate students.[/bcolor]
4. Informal A large family.
5. Biology A taxonomic category ranking below a family or subfamily and above a genus and usually containing several genera.
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tribe (traɪb)
n.
1[bcolor=#ffff00]. any aggregate of people united by ties of descent from a common ancestor, community of customs and traditions, adherence to the same leaders, etc.[/bcolor]
2. a local division of an aboriginal people.
3.
a. a category in the classification of organisms usu. between a subfamily and a genus.
b. any group of plants or animals.
c. a group of animals, esp. cattle, descended through the female line from a common female ancestor.
[bcolor=#ffff00]4. a company, group, or set of persons, esp. one with strong common traits or interests.[/bcolor]
5. a large family.
6. (in ancient Rome)
a. any one of three divisions of the people representing the Latin, Sabine, and Etruscan settlements.
b. one of the later political divisions of the people, reaching a total of 35 in number.
7. a phyle of ancient Greece.
[1200–50; Middle English < Latin tribus tribe, orig., each of the three divisions of the Roman people]
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"In his 1975 study, The Notion of the Tribe, anthropologist Morton H. Fried provided numerous examples of tribes that encompassed members who spoke different languages and practiced different rituals, or who shared languages and rituals with members of other tribes. Similarly, he provided examples of tribes in which people followed different political leaders, or followed the same leaders as members of other tribes. He concluded that tribes in general are characterized by fluid boundaries and heterogeneity, are not parochial, and are dynamic.[5]
Fried proposed that most contemporary tribes do not have their origin in pre-state tribes, but rather in pre-state bands. Such "secondary" tribes, he suggested, developed as modern products of state expansion. Bands comprise small, mobile, and fluid social formations with weak leadership. They do not generate surpluses, pay no taxes, and support no standing army." Wiki

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Originally posted by Mimsey

The real question is how to break...... the cycle and reestablish communication? Agreement?

The real question is how to break......your cycle to reestablish disaffected ex-Scientologists and get them applying Ron's ARC TRIANGLE technology.

Still trying to get in the tech on this planet? LOL

On the positive side of things, that's a pass on:

• KSW
• Demonstrating the motto "We Come Back".

.

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

"Sebastian Junger has seen war up close, and he knows the impact that battlefield trauma has on soldiers. But he suggests there's another major cause of pain for veterans when they come home: the experience of leaving the tribal closeness of the military and returning to an alienating and bitterly divided modern society."

This quote demonstrates an interesting aspect of tribalism - the closeness. In his TED talk he goes into the interesting phenomena - of all the military 10% actually face war, and yet something on the order of 50% want PTSD benefits - Why?

How come there is less depression per capita in agrarian societies than modern urban life? How come there was less PTSD after WW2 or the civil war then Nam? WW2 and the Civil War were much more traumatic due to the hand to hand combat, then Nam, yet nam has more PSD?

He has an interesting answer.

If you want to see his Ted talk - you can watch:

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

The real question is how to break......your cycle to reestablish disaffected ex-Scientologists and get them applying Ron's ARC TRIANGLE technology.

Still trying to get in the tech on this planet? LOL

On the positive side of things, that's a pass on:

• KSW
• Demonstrating the motto "We Come Back".

.

"Once a country has become tribalized, debates about contested issues from immigration and trade to economic management, climate change and national security, become shaped by larger tribal identities. Policy debate gives way to tribal conflicts.
Polarization and tribalism are self-reinforcing and will likely continue to accelerate. The work of rebuilding our fragmented society needs to start now. It extends from re-connecting people across the lines of division in local communities all the way to building a renewed sense of national identity: a bigger story of us.
Our polarization is not simple, but nor is it insoluble. We need to understand it, so we can fix it. More in Common hopes that this report can help inform and inspire this urgent work."

Snip

"Combating us-versus-them tribalism and polarization may be one of the greatest social and political challenges of the digital age. As much as building a just and democratic society requires thousands of initiatives large and small, so does defending one from these threats. It may well take a generation, but these efforts start with understanding how we can effectively counter this polarization."

Umm. You were saying?

Mimsey

https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...b718/1539107467397/hidden_tribes_report-2.pdf

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

tribe
trīb/
noun
noun: tribe; plural noun: tribes
1.
a social division in a traditional society consisting of families or communities linked by social, economic, religious, or blood ties, with a common culture and dialect, typically having a recognized leader.
"indigenous Indian tribes"
synonyms:
ethnic group, people, band, nation; More
family, dynasty, house, clan, sept
"nomadic tribes of the Sahara"
[bcolor=#ffff00](in ancient Rome) each of several political divisions, originally three, later thirty, ultimately thirty-five.[/bcolor]
derogatory
[bcolor=#ffff00]a distinctive close-knit group.[/bcolor]
[bcolor=#ffff00]"she made a stand against the social codes of her English middle-class tribe"[/bcolor]
synonyms:
ethnic group, people, band, nation; More
family, dynasty, house, clan, sept
"nomadic tribes of the Sahara"
informal
a large number of people or animals.
"tribes of children playing under the watchful eyes of nurses"
2.
Biology
a taxonomic category that ranks above genus and below family or subfamily, usually ending in -ini (in zoology) or -eae (in botany).
++++++++++++++++++
tribe (trīb)
n.
1. A unit of sociopolitical organization consisting of a number of families, clans, or other groups who share a common ancestry and culture and among whom leadership is typically neither formalized nor permanent.
2. A political, ethnic, or ancestral division of ancient states and cultures, especially:
a. Any of the three divisions of the ancient Romans, namely, the Latin, Sabine, and Etruscan.
b. Any of the 12 divisions of ancient Israel.
c. A phyle of ancient Greece.
[bcolor=#ffff00]3. A group of people sharing an occupation, interest, or habit: a tribe of graduate students.[/bcolor]
4. Informal A large family.
5. Biology A taxonomic category ranking below a family or subfamily and above a genus and usually containing several genera.
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tribe (traɪb)
n.
1[bcolor=#ffff00]. any aggregate of people united by ties of descent from a common ancestor, community of customs and traditions, adherence to the same leaders, etc.[/bcolor]
2. a local division of an aboriginal people.
3.
a. a category in the classification of organisms usu. between a subfamily and a genus.
b. any group of plants or animals.
c. a group of animals, esp. cattle, descended through the female line from a common female ancestor.
[bcolor=#ffff00]4. a company, group, or set of persons, esp. one with strong common traits or interests.[/bcolor]
5. a large family.
6. (in ancient Rome)
a. any one of three divisions of the people representing the Latin, Sabine, and Etruscan settlements.
b. one of the later political divisions of the people, reaching a total of 35 in number.
7. a phyle of ancient Greece.
[1200–50; Middle English < Latin tribus tribe, orig., each of the three divisions of the Roman people]
++++++++++++++++
"In his 1975 study, The Notion of the Tribe, anthropologist Morton H. Fried provided numerous examples of tribes that encompassed members who spoke different languages and practiced different rituals, or who shared languages and rituals with members of other tribes. Similarly, he provided examples of tribes in which people followed different political leaders, or followed the same leaders as members of other tribes. He concluded that tribes in general are characterized by fluid boundaries and heterogeneity, are not parochial, and are dynamic.[5]
Fried proposed that most contemporary tribes do not have their origin in pre-state tribes, but rather in pre-state bands. Such "secondary" tribes, he suggested, developed as modern products of state expansion. Bands comprise small, mobile, and fluid social formations with weak leadership. They do not generate surpluses, pay no taxes, and support no standing army." Wiki

Great, now everyone has been "cleared" on that terribly hard new word TRIBE that nobody understood or ever even heard of before.

What's next, you will be running "CHINESE SCHOOL" on Dr. Hubbard's 7 Tribe org board?

Thanks for helping us see that everything in life is really a tribe. Just this morning I used your tech when I was at Walmart, waiting in line to pay. I immediately obnosed several other tribes waiting in line at other cash registers. Before I knew about your TribeTech[sup]tm [/sup]I would have mistakenly thought that they were just "lines of people". But now i see that each line was exactly what the dictionary says in definition #4 above:

4. a company, group, or set of persons, esp. one with strong common traits or interests.

It's so obvious now! Each tribe of Walmart shoppers has a strong common trait--they are all on the same routing form to the same cashier! Wow! And they all share the same interests---namely paying for their mest merchandise and taking it outside to their cars! This tech reallllllly works!

I realized that I can even apply the TribeTech[sup]tm[/sup] to my company which has 10 different offices in 10 different cities. I r-factored the employees at each office that they are really members of different tribes. This opened the door to handling them with the ARC triangle so that they could communicate and agree to work together. I just don't know how we ever got anything done before the TribeTech[sup]tm[/sup] was discovered!

 

[Enthetan]

I think most people's motives for getting involved with scientology were pretty much like yours, there was no intention to do anybody any harm, quite the opposite in fact. From the inside it didn't look like a cult, from the outside it very much does.

From the inside, when I first got in, it looked like a group that wanted to make the world a better place, and had the technology to do so. What you had was a bunch of naive idealists, being manipulated by cynical psychopaths at the top. Much like how Communism got started.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

"Once a country has become tribalized, debates about contested issues from immigration and trade to economic management, climate change and national security, become shaped by larger tribal identities. Policy debate gives way to tribal conflicts.
Polarization and tribalism are self-reinforcing and will likely continue to accelerate. The work of rebuilding our fragmented society needs to start now. It extends from re-connecting people across the lines of division in local communities all the way to building a renewed sense of national identity: a bigger story of us.
Our polarization is not simple, but nor is it insoluble. We need to understand it, so we can fix it. More in Common hopes that this report can help inform and inspire this urgent work."

Snip

"Combating us-versus-them tribalism and polarization may be one of the greatest social and political challenges of the digital age. As much as building a just and democratic society requires thousands of initiatives large and small, so does defending one from these threats. It may well take a generation, but these efforts start with understanding how we can effectively counter this polarization."

Umm. You were saying?

Mimsey

https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...b718/1539107467397/hidden_tribes_report-2.pdf

Thanks for posting other people using the word "TRIBE" in sentences.

Was i supposed to be impressed with your ability cut-and-paste quotes from the internet?

It would be more impressive if you understood what you were talking about so that YOU could post your own thoughts instead of quotes from members of other tribes. LOL

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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This thread is a depressing reminder of the disintegration of the education system over the past half century, pursuant to social justice "progressives" hijacking it. Thereafter, critical thinking skills were entirely abandoned and now have been replaced by jingles, slogans and incessant chanting of abstract buzzwords.

Mimsey is doing what SJWs do, trying to re-define words and/or place artificial thinking constructs over the top of events, in order to create "agreement" with the fashionable dogma du jour.

After leaving Scientology I soon realized that cults do that to peoples' thinking. And I then saw that I had erected my own "Scientology mindset and filters" through which all life passed before reaching my brain. When I got rid of that self-imposed 'babysitter tech", I began to think again.

The word "TRIBAL" has become glorified of late because the entire strategy of the progressive leaders is to DIVIDE EVERYONE UP BY ANYTHING THEY CAN THINK OF (race, religion, political party, gender, et al) so that they can be manipulated and controlled through conflict. It's often referred to as "IDENTITY POLITICS". Example, trying to get Hispanics and Blacks to hate "white republicans racists"---so they will vote for the Democratic candidates.

Without dividing everyone up into warring "tribes" the left loses all their power. That's why they have pushed that newly invented pop-future term down to all their loyal resisters and buzzword chanters.

Mimsey is trying so very hard to get others to accept the word TRIBE so that we can all have similar gains to his own, lol.

 

[Enthetan]

"Sebastian Junger has seen war up close, and he knows the impact that battlefield trauma has on soldiers. But he suggests there's another major cause of pain for veterans when they come home: the experience of leaving the tribal closeness of the military and returning to an alienating and bitterly divided modern society."

This quote demonstrates an interesting aspect of tribalism - the closeness. In his TED talk he goes into the interesting phenomena - of all the military 10% actually face war, and yet something on the order of 50% want PTSD benefits - Why?

How come there is less depression per capita in agrarian societies than modern urban life? How come there was less PTSD after WW2 or the civil war then Nam? WW2 and the Civil War were much more traumatic due to the hand to hand combat, then Nam, yet nam has more PSD?

He has an interesting answer.

If you want to see his Ted talk - you can watch:

One distinguishing difference between wars up to Korea, on one hand, and VietNam thru the "War on Terror", is that in earlier wars the enemy was easily distinguished. In battle, you knew who the enemy was and anybody NOT wearing enemy uniform was not a threat. Once you were disengaged from the battlefield, you were safe. You could relax among people you could trust not to try to kill you.

From VietNam on, soldiers were always under threat. Any supposed "civilian" could try to kill you at any time. You were having to be continuously watchful. This required habitual vigilance carried over once you returned.

 

[Enthetan]

The word "TRIBAL" has become glorified of late because the entire strategy of the progressive leaders is to DIVIDE EVERYONE UP BY ANYTHING THEY CAN THINK OF (race, religion, political party, gender, et al) so that they can be manipulated and controlled through conflict. It's often referred to as "IDENTITY POLITICS". Example, trying to get Hispanics and Blacks to hate "white republicans racists"---so they will vote for the Democratic candidates.

Without dividing everyone up into warring "tribes" the left loses all their power. That's why they have pushed that newly invented pop-future term down to all their loyal resisters and buzzword chanters.

Mimsey is trying so very hard to get others to accept the word TRIBE so that we can all have similar gains to his own, lol.

"Identity politics" is deemed good for some, but evil and forbidden to others.

It's OK for blacks to consider themselves part of a cohesive tribe. It's OK for gays to consider themselves part of a tribe to which they should be loyal. Most other groups, it's OK to consider themselves to be in a tribe, and to consider loyalty to their own tribe to be important for their survival in a hostile world. Most other groups.

The one exception is white people. If white people act in a tribal manner, then that's racism, and is the highest level of evil you can imagine.

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

Thanks for posting other people using the word "TRIBE" in sentences.

Was i supposed to be impressed with your ability cut-and-paste quotes from the internet?

It would be more impressive if you understood what you were talking about so that YOU could post your own thoughts instead of quotes from members of other tribes. LOL

Glad you liked it! You are if anything, consistent, You don't like my posts nor my cut and pastes and especially my videos. I post a definition that applies and you rail against it. I make commentary that is contrary to your viewpoint and you don't like it. When I post that you don't like my responses, you deny that you disliked my post.

I guess it comes down to this:

HH's tribe - Policy #1
Mimsey is wrong.

Policy #2
Must stop Mimsey at all costs, yet appear measured and graceful, inciteful, humorous, intelligent, sarcastic in a PC, meaningful way that boosts my own status as a raconteur par excellence.

Policy #3
If Mimsey posts anything that makes HH wrong, or has a grain of truth to it, it must be disavowed, stamped out, though peppered with token appreciation so as not to alienate my extensive fan base, which is way bigger than that of Mimsey's, because he is a narrow minded, progressive, liberal, socialistic, climate change denier scum who alleges Woo Woo spiritual experiences and tries to convince others they actually happened when we all know that it's just nuts.

Policy #4
If I, HH, can't find holes in his post's premise, his spelling and grammar is so god awful there is always something to find there to misdirect my fan base of readers away from his points.

Did I miss anything? Do I get a high five? Time for breakfast. Ta ta,

Highest ARC,

Mimsey

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Well HH, while I agree with this: "Scientologists are all joined at the brain to "clear the planet". They are "at war" with NON SCIENTOLOGISTS, not Scientologists." I disagree with the last three words and the section about there are no tribes in the church.

I had been in Scientology some 40+ years and have seen this evolution from a unified push to clear the planet into a culture within the church that pits various sections against each other. In the beginning of my career in scientology the SO was not a common presence. They were off somewhere in the Mediterranean sending policies and tech out, they were training the first class 8's at the ship. Then they came in to a more public awareness.

As they expanded into the land bases, I began to see more networks, more battles with the FBOs (Flag Banking Officers) who sucked income out of the orgs, more recruiters stealing staff, more reges ripping off students and pc's from the class 4 orgs, more abuse of staff, threats of RPFs, more ethics conditions etc. Perhaps warfare isn't the best word for this.

To me - the concept of them being tribes within the whole makes sense. The different parts are distinctly different from each other. Yes, there is this overarching purpose to clear the planet, but internally, the organization as a whole, is at odds with itself as the different factions /sections /orgs /units vie and are at odds with each other. The whole concept of tribes is that each tribe has it's own beliefs, and you definitely see that in the different portions of scientology, and the collision of these conflicting beliefs.

That a recruiter could walk into your org, recruit your chief reg into the SO, and walk out the door with your biggest income producer, many times inadequately replaced, belies a moral belief in the recruiter that their purpose is higher than yours, that ripping off your staff isn't an overt. That is exemplar of one tribe vs. another within scientology.

I suppose I could refer to them as individual 3rd dynamics within an over all third dynamic of scientology, but I would be told - shut! up! with the scientology terminology. Hence tribes fits.

Noun
1.
tribalization - the act of making tribal; unification on a tribal basis
tribalisation
jointure, uniting, unification, conjugation, union - the act of making or becoming a single unit;

That last is what I mean - each portion is a single unit - separate yet existing and competing against other units, within the whole of scientology.
Mimsey

HELPFUL TIP: Mimsey, you don't need to torture the English language by trying to force use of the word "tribe" to explain how life works. There are already plenty of other existing English words that perfectly describe what you are trying to identify.

Language loses its meaning if every word means every other word, just because they have some similarities. Example: Let's say that I am trying to describe the multitude of TV commercials that each try to advertise competitive products. It would suffice if I just called them "competitive fast food companies", such as McDonalds, Burger King, Jack In The Box, Subway, et al. What if I started calling those companies "tribes", that wouldn't make any sense, would it? Still don't get it?

Okay then, what if i started calling those companies "ARMIES". Because armies fight each other and those fast food businesses are "fighting" for market share. So they are really ARMIES, right?

Get it? The word army is the wrong word. It is not necessary to try to fit a burger joint into the abstract paradigm "ARMY".

This is likely how your thinking has become so muddled up, you don't bother to research and learn the foundational materials (or words that apply) so then you begin relying on your "feelings" and "theories" of how things work.

There are not "tribes" in Scientology. Scientology is a cult. People have different posts/products in the cult. That's it.

See how simple that was?

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

I was shopping in a department store yesterday but i was force to leave when various "warring tribes" that worked there began to clash and fight--and the conflict was just so enturbulating, I went home.

Specifically, as i walked by a cosmetic counter, the person demonstrating a new men's cologne asked me if i would like her to spray a sample on my hand. However, at the very same moment, another employee came on over the PA system to announce that there was going to be a 20% off sale in the toy section for the next hour. Well, can you imagine how horrific it was to be caught in the crossfire of those warring tribes?!

I went to the local Ideal Org to see if I could get a rud session to handle the restim. While I was talking to the reg about the cost, the ED peeked in the office and told me to make sure I didn't miss graduation later that day. OMG, more tribal warfare!

Tribes! They're everywhere and they're destroying everything, on this planet!

 

[Enthetan]

I was shopping in a department store yesterday but i was force to leave when various "warring tribes" that worked there began to clash and fight--and the conflict was just so enturbulating, I went home.

Specifically, as i walked by a cosmetic counter, the person demonstrating a new men's cologne asked me if i would like her to spray a sample on my hand. However, at the very same moment, another employee came on over the PA system to announce that there was going to be a 20% off sale in the toy section for the next hour. Well, can you imagine how horrific it was to be caught in the crossfire of those warring tribes?!

I went to the local Ideal Org to see if I could get a rud session to handle the restim. While I was talking to the reg about the cost, the ED peeked in the office and told me to make sure I didn't miss graduation later that day. OMG, more tribal warfare!

Tribes! They're everywhere and they're destroying everything, on this planet!

And here, pushing through the sarcasm, we have the real functional definition of tribe.

Your tribe is the set of people whose enemies you are willing to fight. If you are willing to kill in order to ensure the survival of "your" people, then they are your tribe.

 

[TheOriginalBigBlue]

tribe
trīb/
noun
noun: tribe; plural noun: tribes
1.
a social division in a traditional society consisting of families or communities linked by social, economic, religious, or blood ties, with a common culture and dialect, typically having a recognized leader.
"indigenous Indian tribes"
synonyms:
ethnic group, people, band, nation; More
family, dynasty, house, clan, sept
"nomadic tribes of the Sahara"
[bcolor=#ffff00](in ancient Rome) each of several political divisions, originally three, later thirty, ultimately thirty-five.[/bcolor]
derogatory
[bcolor=#ffff00]a distinctive close-knit group.[/bcolor]
[bcolor=#ffff00]"she made a stand against the social codes of her English middle-class tribe"[/bcolor]
synonyms:
ethnic group, people, band, nation; More
family, dynasty, house, clan, sept
"nomadic tribes of the Sahara"
informal
a large number of people or animals.
"tribes of children playing under the watchful eyes of nurses"
2.
Biology
a taxonomic category that ranks above genus and below family or subfamily, usually ending in -ini (in zoology) or -eae (in botany).
++++++++++++++++++
tribe (trīb)
n.
1. A unit of sociopolitical organization consisting of a number of families, clans, or other groups who share a common ancestry and culture and among whom leadership is typically neither formalized nor permanent.
2. A political, ethnic, or ancestral division of ancient states and cultures, especially:
a. Any of the three divisions of the ancient Romans, namely, the Latin, Sabine, and Etruscan.
b. Any of the 12 divisions of ancient Israel.
c. A phyle of ancient Greece.
[bcolor=#ffff00]3. A group of people sharing an occupation, interest, or habit: a tribe of graduate students.[/bcolor]
4. Informal A large family.
5. Biology A taxonomic category ranking below a family or subfamily and above a genus and usually containing several genera.
+++++++++++++++

tribe (traɪb)
n.
1[bcolor=#ffff00]. any aggregate of people united by ties of descent from a common ancestor, community of customs and traditions, adherence to the same leaders, etc.[/bcolor]
2. a local division of an aboriginal people.
3.
a. a category in the classification of organisms usu. between a subfamily and a genus.
b. any group of plants or animals.
c. a group of animals, esp. cattle, descended through the female line from a common female ancestor.
[bcolor=#ffff00]4. a company, group, or set of persons, esp. one with strong common traits or interests.[/bcolor]
5. a large family.
6. (in ancient Rome)
a. any one of three divisions of the people representing the Latin, Sabine, and Etruscan settlements.
b. one of the later political divisions of the people, reaching a total of 35 in number.
7. a phyle of ancient Greece.
[1200–50; Middle English < Latin tribus tribe, orig., each of the three divisions of the Roman people]
++++++++++++++++
"In his 1975 study, The Notion of the Tribe, anthropologist Morton H. Fried provided numerous examples of tribes that encompassed members who spoke different languages and practiced different rituals, or who shared languages and rituals with members of other tribes. Similarly, he provided examples of tribes in which people followed different political leaders, or followed the same leaders as members of other tribes. He concluded that tribes in general are characterized by fluid boundaries and heterogeneity, are not parochial, and are dynamic.[5]
Fried proposed that most contemporary tribes do not have their origin in pre-state tribes, but rather in pre-state bands. Such "secondary" tribes, he suggested, developed as modern products of state expansion. Bands comprise small, mobile, and fluid social formations with weak leadership. They do not generate surpluses, pay no taxes, and support no standing army." Wiki

My takeaway from this is people have been deliberately conflating the use of the word "Tribe" with "Group" since 1975...and, oh yeah, surprise surprise - they were Marxists.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Eric-Robert-Wolf

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He was one of the founding members of the Mundial Upheaval Society, a graduate student group that included Sidney Mintz, Elman Service, Stanley Diamond, and Morton Fried, all of whom went on to play major roles in anthropology. Although never a doctrinaire Marxist, Wolf believed that anthropology could be improved by the introduction of Marxian concepts. His emphasis on political economy and historical process used Marxian ideas to challenge the functionalist model of cultures as static isolates and played a major role in introducing ideas of power and material forces into cultural anthropology.
///

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

I dunno - there are books on the subject of tribes, studies of which I linked to one, and quoted from it, the interview with Stephen Pinker, another on how it relates to PTSD in soldiers post war by Sebastian Junger is the author of The Perfect Storm, War, and Tribe, to name a few I scratched the surface on. Lots of information about it. Beaucoup data. I tried to make it clear, to provide definitions, etc.

It's just not that hard to understand.

That said!

One of the defining characteristics of a tribe is the unwillingness to look beyond the positions, the agreements, the group think, of the tribe when confronted with other information that contradicts the tribes beliefs.

Scientology is a tribe - try to get any Scientologist to agree with or even confront some criticism of the subject. It goes nowhere.

Example - Tommy Davis is shown, by Lawrence Wright and the New Yorker fact checkers, proof that some of LRH's medals from his time in the service were not earned by him. What respect did he get from the tribe for acknowledging that bit of truth? He was no longer the public mouth piece for Scientology, and further, is no longer in the sea org. Is there a connection? Probably.

Has Scientology changed it's list of LRH's medals?

As if.

Well, I have tried to lead the horse to water, and yet it won't drink.

Ciao,

Mimsey

 

[Bill]

I dunno - there are books on the subject of tribes, studies of which I linked to one, and quoted from it, the interview with Stephen Pinker, another on how it relates to PTSD in soldiers post war, to name a few I scratched the surface on. Lots of information about it. Beaucoup data. I tried to make it clear, to provide definitions, etc.

It's just not that hard to understand.

That said!

One of the defining characteristics of a tribe is the unwillingness to look beyond the positions, the agreements, the group think, of the tribe when confronted with other information that contradicts the tribes beliefs.

Scientology is a tribe - try to get any Scientologist to agree with or even confront some criticism of the subject. It goes nowhere.

Example - Tommy Davis is shown, by Lawrence Wright and the New Yorker fact checkers, proof that some of LRH's medals from his time in the service were not earned by him. What respect did he get from the tribe for acknowledging that bit of truth? He was no longer the public mouth piece for Scientology, and further, is no longer in the sea org. Is there a connection? Probably.

Has Scientology changed it's list of LRH's medals?

As if.

Well, I have tried to lead the horse to water, and yet it won't drink.

Ciao,

Mimsey

I am quite open to looking at a familiar subject using a different perspective. Sometimes that can lead to a new and/or deeper understanding of the subject. When I first looked at Scientology as a cult, it opened up a whole new understanding of Scientology and Scientologists. Further study of cults helped me understand how I got trapped and how others got trapped and, some, continue to be trapped.

Calling Scientology a "tribe", or factions of Scientology "tribes" does not lead to any deeper understanding of Scientology at all. It doesn't really fit well and massaging what Scientology actually is to fit the idea of "tribes" just muddles the subject. It doesn't enlighten.

I understand that you are playing with a different way to view Scientology and I appreciate that, but I don't think it is particularly useful.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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I am quite embarrassed and must admit that I was entirely wrong about the use of the word "TRIBE" to describe the multiple warring factions within Scientology.

What really opened up my mind to this startling epiphany was that I always reserve Sundays for LRH TAPE PLAYS at the same time I am enjoying some of my hobbies around the house (e.g. photography, growing gargantuan tomatoes, et al).

Well today I was listening to the PDC tape where LRH talks bout the "SEVEN RACES OF THETAN"...and then it hit me! OMG! Ron was referring to the 7 tribes within Scientology!

I couldn't stop line charging and blowing mass and then my space felt calm when I realized that all of the data had come into alignment since the moment I found out about Scientology and felt confused when I learned that as a small boy Ron became a blood brother to an Indian tribe. The MU blew so explosively that I dropped my beverage, coughed and choked and calmag came streaming out of my nose. Thanks Ron!

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

From the inside, when I first got in, it looked like a group that wanted to make the world a better place, and had the technology to do so.

What you had was a bunch of naive idealists, being manipulated by cynical psychopaths at the top. Much like how Communism got started.
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A perfectly illuminating post!

Communism has "Useful Idiots".

Scientology has "OTs".




OTs -noun: Occluded Tribes


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[Little David]

From The New Yorker:

"We live in a time of tribes. Not of ideologies, parties, groups, or beliefs—these don’t convey the same impregnability of political fortifications, or the yawning chasms between them. American politics today requires a word as primal as “tribe” to get at the blind allegiances and huge passions of partisan affiliation. Tribes demand loyalty, and in return they confer the security of belonging. They’re badges of identity, not of thought. In a way, they make thinking unnecessary, because they do it for you, and may punish you if you try to do it for yourself. To get along without a tribe makes you a fool. To give an inch to the other tribe makes you a sucker."

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"Everything in American politics today entrenches tribalism: our winner-take-all elections, the dehumanizing commentary on cable news and social media, the people we choose to talk to and live among. The trends are not new, but they’ve dramatically accelerated and intensified under a President who rules by humiliation because he lives in fear of being humiliated."

"I’m using “tribalism” to refer to what George Orwell, in an essay he wrote at the end of the Second World War, meant by “nationalism”: “the habit of identifying oneself with a single nation or other unit, placing it beyond good and evil and recognising no other duty than that of advancing its interests. . . . The abiding purpose of every nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, not for himself but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality.” Our tribes are competing for power over the state, the media, public opinion, the verbal battleground. When politics becomes a perpetual tribal war, ends justify almost any means and individuals are absolved from the constraints of normal decency. People who would never tolerate cruelty or lying or even ordinary impoliteness in their children cheer every excess of their leaders, none more so than President Trump’s."

more: https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/a-new-report-offers-insights-into-tribalism-in-the-age-of-trump?mbid=nl_Daily 101418&CNDID=33375258&utm_source=Silverpop&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily 101418&utm_content=&spMailingID=14430926&spUserID=MTMzMTgzNzA0OTQ2S0&spJobID=1501111392&spReportId=MTUwMTExMTM5MgS2