TRs and The Ganzfeld Effect

[Out Effix]

Out Ethics.....where did you see that Cat's Squirrrel is pro Scientology or pro LRH?

I have no idea...

I don't really feel like trying to figure it out - it only applies to those that boast the Scientological wins....

Holy Xenu .... I must be PTS...



Anyway - My post goes out to those people that feel compelled to continue to talk about how great Scientololgy in light of the Scientology aftermath of death and destruction...

Really - who does that?

It is like going on a rape recovery blog and bragging what a good guy the rapist is....

Or

Going to an AA meeting and talk about how you can handle alcohol and you have a great time every time you drink

I am just sick of it ....

Really sick of it and would like for those people to wake the F up!

I know people who are hurting each and every day from Scientology

Please - have a little compassion

 

[TheOriginalBigBlue]

When I was in scientology I thought Hubbard was the most ethical being on the planet and the most OT. Now that I'm allowed to find out the truth about him I can't understand how anyone can still think he was something special.

Here is Barbara Klowden talking about him. She was his lover while he was still married to Sara, the wife he denied marrying. Barbara is a qualified psychologist and she says Hubbard had a narcissistic personality, was a manic depressive and paranoid. She says he developed dianetics and scientology as a way to handle his own case. At around the 15 minute mark she explains how she used her skills to help him get over writer's block and severe anxiety and this led to him developing the tone scale and Chart Of Human Evaluation. Just another example of someone else being the unacknowledged source of the so-called discoveries of L. Ron Hubbard.

Just when I thought I had seen it all, somehow I'd missed this one. I knew of Barbara but not this vid. Must have been a very difficult interview.

Science of Survival used to be my favorite Scio book. But in retrospect I now find the concept of pigeon holing people into these classifications to be extremely destructive. I'm not just talking about the respective descriptions given for each emotion but the idea that we are definable on a scale and should be treated according to those definitions. In practice within Scientology culture the Tone Scale becomes a kind of criminal sentencing guide or a tool for manipulating people to realign their priorities in a way that favors the Scientology organization. You think you are getting real but the more you buy into it the less real you become.

So LRH was in Palm Springs while divorcing Sarah. I guess that is how he later settled on LaQuinta as the location for his secret Gold Base (Rifle) across from the LaQuinta Country Club. LaQuinta always had a reputation as the snooty enclave amongst the desert string of towns and Hubbard seemed to have a thing about trying to elevate himself vicariously in social stature through acquisition of property previously owned by famous people or near them. That would explain a lot about how things are run now.

 

[TheOriginalBigBlue]

I guess we are doomed to have our very own version of Holocaust Deniers.

Hitler made an innovative affordable car, improved assembly line manufacturing and made great inroads into the fields of chemistry, genetics and public relations.

 

[Cat's Squirrel]

I have no idea...

I don't really feel like trying to figure it out - it only applies to those that boast the Scientological wins....

Holy Xenu .... I must be PTS...



Anyway - My post goes out to those people that feel compelled to continue to talk about how great Scientololgy in light of the Scientology aftermath of death and destruction...

Really - who does that?

It is like going on a rape recovery blog and bragging what a good guy the rapist is....

Or

Going to an AA meeting and talk about how you can handle alcohol and you have a great time every time you drink

I am just sick of it ....

Really sick of it and would like for those people to wake the F up!

I am hurting each and every day from Scientology and my family is a mess...

Please get some fucking compassion for those of us who are hurting.

Well... if you have no empathy for those who were hurt and continue to get hurt by Scientology - and you want to boast about your wins from L Ron the Con Hubbard- then the post is directed at you too.

What is the matter with people who do that?

Do you have no ability to have compassion?

WE WERE HURT and continue to be HURT by Scientology, especially, if we have family in.

I personally wasted most of my productive years of my life serving as a staff member - I was in the prime of my life and my hormones were flying as they normally do....for young people at that age....

I never went to college and am totally paying the price as I basically sell bedsheets on street corners to make a living- sort of being facetious here but you get my drift...

By they way...for some strange reason ...

I have noticed Scientologists sell bedsheets and rugs on street corners and actually believe they are "improving conditions" BAT SHIT CRAZY!!

Due to not getting a college degree - I have no REAL career - I am struggling to get by and am suffering because of Scientology.

I can't afford my own place so I either may stay at a "friends" place or I live at home with two bat shit crazy parents who are guzzling the kool aide

so I can pay off huge debt I had to pay to my ex 2D for my horrible transgressions against humanity: going out 2 D on him/her whilst he/she

was "training" at FLAG for many years to be an auditor...TWICE

we were separated FOR YEARS and I had human needs - NORMAL human needs- for Christ's and Xenu's sake... do you hear me???

I had to get laid....so I went out 2D

I lost the love of my life for that transgression and am still paying the price and IT SUCKS!

Anyway.... WTF?

What happened to your human ability to have compassion? Did Scientology audit it out?

Wake up and smell the coffee - Scientology, L Ron Hubbard,
Dictator David Miscavige - ALL EVIL!

Admit you were duped and this was nothing but a con and a scam.

Look at all the Blood dripping from those who were unfortunate to fall into its trap...

Or continue to go on ex scientology blogs and boast about your scientological wins and to upset people by triggering people's trauma.

You decide who you want to be. You have to live with yourself.

I think OE innocently mixed up CS with CP somewhere. Sooner or later we're all bound to hit the wrong button around here. I don't know. Maybe I'm the one who is confused.

Well... if you have no empathy for those who were hurt and continue to get hurt by Scientology - and you want to boast about your wins from L Ron the Con Hubbard- then the post is directed at you too.

What is the matter with people who do that?

Do you have no ability to have compassion?

WE WERE HURT and continue to be HURT by Scientology, especially, if we have family in.

I personally wasted most of my productive years of my life serving as a staff member - I was in the prime of my life and my hormones were flying as they normally do....for young people at that age....

I never went to college and am totally paying the price as I basically sell bedsheets on street corners to make a living- sort of being facetious here but you get my drift...

By they way...for some strange reason ...

I have noticed Scientologists sell bedsheets and rugs on street corners and actually believe they are "improving conditions" BAT SHIT CRAZY!!

Due to not getting a college degree - I have no REAL career - I am struggling to get by and am suffering because of Scientology.

I can't afford my own place so I either may stay at a "friends" place or I live at home with two bat shit crazy parents who are guzzling the kool aide

so I can pay off huge debt I had to pay to my ex 2D for my horrible transgressions against humanity: going out 2 D on him/her whilst he/she

was "training" at FLAG for many years to be an auditor...TWICE

we were separated FOR YEARS and I had human needs - NORMAL human needs- for Christ's and Xenu's sake... do you hear me???

I had to get laid....so I went out 2D

I lost the love of my life for that transgression and am still paying the price and IT SUCKS!

Anyway.... WTF?

What happened to your human ability to have compassion? Did Scientology audit it out?

Wake up and smell the coffee - Scientology, L Ron Hubbard,
Dictator David Miscavige - ALL EVIL!

Admit you were duped and this was nothing but a con and a scam.

Look at all the Blood dripping from those who were unfortunate to fall into its trap...

Or continue to go on ex scientology blogs and boast about your scientological wins and to upset people by triggering people's trauma.

You decide who you want to be. You have to live with yourself.

I do have some "fucking compassion" for people who are hurting and that is why I spend so much time here; to use my limited experience to try to warn people to stay out of the clutches of Scn and David Miscavige.

I've been on this board ten years and a bit now, and I'm still learning but I will say this; there are two things above all that I find remarkable about the CofS.

Firstly, how utterly consistent they are in their lack of respect and consideration for the people they deal with in their own organisation. Given the choice of two things they could do in a situation where they have some power over a staff member or public, they invariably choose the one which most closely appeals to their own naked self-interest. Secondly, how cleverly the whole thing is put together to inhibit or stop any individual Scientologist from figuring this out for himself or herself.

Just, for one example, take the fact that Miscavige will quite blithely say that a set of auditors' training materials he's responsible for (since the buck stops with him) has somehow got a lot of faults in it and so the auditors' certs are no longer valid and they must retrain from scratch, at their own expense naturally (the so-called 'Golden Era of Tech'). In most organisations I've seen with some claim to spirituality that would be so unthinkable that people would just laugh if he tried it, and yet he did it and got away with it.

Nevertheless, here we all are, and our numbers are growing whilst theirs are shrinking.

 

[Clay Pigeon]

Clay.....I don't understand your hero worship of L Ron Hubbard. Why is it that you admire him so much?

I felt that way too back in the early 70's when I was new to Scientology, but after walking down the yellow brick road and finding out the the wizard behind the curtain was a lying fraud, and was only doing what he was doing for his own personal financial gain and aggrandizement, and how he really treated his family and his staff, and what a miserable mess he was when he died.....OT? He wasn't OT ..... he was a sick, lying, cheating fraud, not deserving of anyone's worship (my opinion). Perhaps if you would have stayed in Scientology, instead of leaving, and experienced the other side of LRH, (remember he did write the Green Vols....the stupid supressive tech that the orgs are run on is LRH policy) you might not feel the way you do today.....perhaps you might understand why those on this board don't like LRH and don't agree with you. And if you had stayed and done the OT Levels you might understand why those who have left feel utterly ripped off financially, and abused spiritually because of the fraud that LRH has perpetrated on his followers....FOR HIS OWN FINANCIAL GAIN.....

If you thought LRH was so magnificently fantastic, why did you leave his group?

Enough of this.....I have to go plant seeds in my garden before the sun disappears.

?????????????????????????????????????????

Hero worship?

That sonofabitch?

I'm a sonofabitch myself and I know one when I see one

I was never one of his sycophants when I was active. I had to rope-a-dope around the guru worship and the it's-the-know-all-be-all-end-all attitude toward the subject of the hothouse zealots. I researched published commentary on Ron and his work before I started and was well aware the biggest rap against him was that he was only it for the money and I looked at what was offered and thought I don't care a rat's ass if he is entirely venal and mercenary he's produced a product I want. Then about two or three months in I was chatting in a fourth floor hallway at 414 Mason with some dude who'd been down to LA recently and stopped in to some sleaze bucket titty bar and the go-go girl was dancing on stage wearing nothing but her Sea Org boots and her Clear bracelet I said to myself "Hey! Awright! This m kind of church.

As to why I left...

That is an interesting tale as to just how it came about which I have not told except for the pivotal moment when Things Changed which happened maybe eight months earlier but...

The REAL reason I split was because SCIENTOLOGY WORKS!!!

Same reason so many of my favorite people split. I was a fucked up asshole when I started but after three years I seriously hot shit who wanted to get on with living: DRUGS! SEX! ROCK AND ROLL! DRUGS! SEX!! ROCK AND ROLL!!! which I been doing just about the way jack kerouac and ken kesey would want a fine upstanding young Republican like myself to live.

Does anybody here ever read my posts?

I mean like you all seem to think i'm Karen Pouw in drag or sump'n

 

[FoTi]

?????????????????????????????????????????

Hero worship?

That sonofabitch?

I'm a sonofabitch myself and I know one when I see one

I was never one of his sycophants when I was active. I had to rope-a-dope around the guru worship and the it's-the-know-all-be-all-end-all attitude toward the subject of the hothouse zealots. I researched published commentary on Ron and his work before I started and was well aware the biggest rap against him was that he was only it for the money and I looked at what was offered and thought I don't care a rat's ass if he is entirely venal and mercenary he's produced a product I want. Then about two or three months in I was chatting in a fourth floor hallway at 414 Mason with some dude who'd been down to LA recently and stopped in to some sleaze bucket titty bar and the go-go girl was dancing on stage wearing nothing but her Sea Org boots and her Clear bracelet I said to myself "Hey! Awright! This m kind of church.

As to why I left...

That is an interesting tale as to just how it came about which I have not told except for the pivotal moment when Things Changed which happened maybe eight months earlier but...

The REAL reason I split was because SCIENTOLOGY WORKS!!!

Same reason so many of my favorite people split. I was a fucked up asshole when I started but after three years I seriously hot shit who wanted to get on with living: DRUGS! SEX! ROCK AND ROLL! DRUGS! SEX!! ROCK AND ROLL!!! which I been doing just about the way jack kerouac and ken kesey would want a fine upstanding young Republican like myself to live.

Does anybody here ever read my posts?

I mean like you all seem to think i'm Karen Pouw in drag or sump'n

So why do you say Ron is a genius?

The following is a quote from a post you made today http://www.forum.exscn.net/threads/the-verdict.46473/#post-1168684

"I view him much differently. I wish I could, with fullness of heart most enthusiastically recommend Auditor training in a CLV but I can't. I'm very grateful for this venue because here I can give my personal testimony to Ron's genius because there are so many will give all due caution to any my words might inspire"

Why do you keep praising LRH in this way?

Then you say he was a sonofabitch.

So he's a sonofabitch genius ?

Or a genius sonofabitch ?

Do you like him or do you hate him

I can't figure out which side you are on.....are you pro LRH or anti-LRH?

Please unconfuse me.

 

[TheOriginalBigBlue]

So why do you say Ron is a genius?

The following is a quote from a post you made today http://www.forum.exscn.net/threads/the-verdict.46473/#post-1168684

"I view him much differently. I wish I could, with fullness of heart most enthusiastically recommend Auditor training in a CLV but I can't. I'm very grateful for this venue because here I can give my personal testimony to Ron's genius because there are so many will give all due caution to any my words might inspire"

Why do you keep praising LRH in this way?

Then you say he was a sonofabitch.

So he's a sonofabitch genius ?

Or a genius sonofabitch ?

Do you like him or do you hate him

I can't figure out which side you are on.....are you pro LRH or anti-LRH?

Please unconfuse me.

Putting it that way, kinda sounds like you are describing beaten wife syndrome.

It's important to love LRH for who he is - not what he has done.

 

[Clay Pigeon]

So why do you say Ron is a genius?

The following is a quote from a post you made today http://www.forum.exscn.net/threads/the-verdict.46473/#post-1168684

"I view him much differently. I wish I could, with fullness of heart most enthusiastically recommend Auditor training in a CLV but I can't. I'm very grateful for this venue because here I can give my personal testimony to Ron's genius because there are so many will give all due caution to any my words might inspire"

Why do you keep praising LRH in this way?

Then you say he was a sonofabitch.

So he's a sonofabitch genius ?

Or a genius sonofabitch ?

Do you like him or do you hate him

I can't figure out which side you are on.....are you pro LRH or anti-LRH?

Please unconfuse me.

Unconfuse you?

I'm not enough of an optimist to try.

Genius?

As you may know, Arthur C. Clarke, one of the top handful of writers from "the Golden Age of Science Fiction" is famous for having presaged communication sattelites.

In DMSMH Hubbard approaches psychology from the perspective of an engineer comparing the mind to a computer. He describes one of it's functions as "the file clerk". The moronic incompetent scibots of Co$ are too stupid to see one of the brightest feathers in Ron's cap but this obviously presages the search engine.

The talented hit targets others can't hit.

The genius hits targets others can't see.

I am in favor of enlightened spiritual masters.

They are invariably mirrors.

If you do not like what you see in a mirror...

do not blame the mirror

 

[Clay Pigeon]

I have no idea...

I don't really feel like trying to figure it out - it only applies to those that boast the Scientological wins....

Holy Xenu .... I must be PTS...



Anyway - My post goes out to those people that feel compelled to continue to talk about how great Scientololgy in light of the Scientology aftermath of death and destruction...

Really - who does that?

It is like going on a rape recovery blog and bragging what a good guy the rapist is....

Or

Going to an AA meeting and talk about how you can handle alcohol and you have a great time every time you drink

I am just sick of it ....

Really sick of it and would like for those people to wake the F up!

I know people who are hurting each and every day from Scientology

Please - have a little compassion

And you should have some compassion for people who have butchered by psychiatrists, being one myself.

I most certainly have compassion for you and those in similar circumstance.

I would not speak well of what I gained from the study except in the presence of those such as you who have a very different perspective.

But I will speak well of it and recommend it be studied by those who like myself, adhere to basic Judeochristian principles, The Bill of Rights and The Hippocratic Oath

 

[FoTi]

Unconfuse you?

I'm not enough of an optimist to try.

Genius?

As you may know, Arthur C. Clarke, one of the top handful of writers from "the Golden Age of Science Fiction" is famous for having presaged communication sattelites.

In DMSMH Hubbard approaches psychology from the perspective of an engineer comparing the mind to a computer. He describes one of it's functions as "the file clerk". The moronic incompetent scibots of Co$ are too stupid to see one of the brightest feathers in Ron's cap but this obviously presages the search engine.

The talented hit targets others can't hit.

The genius hits targets others can't see.

I am in favor of enlightened spiritual masters.

They are invariably mirrors.

If you do not like what you see in a mirror...

do not blame the mirror

Genius?????

The type of therapy used in Dianetics was not Hubbard's idea. He borrowed it and made a business out of it to make himself rich and famous. The only thing he is a genius for is being a con man....he fooled a L O T of people.

"Abreaction: concept introduced by Sigmund Freud in 1893 to denote the fact that pent-up emotions associated with a trauma can be discharged by talking about it.

In Scientology, Dianetics is a form of abreaction that science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard borrowed from the United States Navy when he spent three months in a San Diego hospital in 1943 with the complaints of an ulcer and malaria. Hubbard later wrote, in his autobiography My Philosophy, that he had observed abreactive therapy in the hospital, though in later life he claimed to have made the discovery on his own after being wounded in battle and given up as untreatable."

He was a writer (and not a very good one, but he liked to hear himself talk). He used someone else's idea and wrote a book about it, taking the credit for someone else's work. That does not a genius make.

 

[Out Effix]

woops

 

[Out Effix]

And you should have some compassion for people who have butchered by psychiatrists, being one myself.

I most certainly have compassion for you and those in similar circumstance.

I would not speak well of what I gained from the study except in the presence of those such as you who have a very different perspective.

But I will speak well of it and recommend it be studied by those who like myself, adhere to basic Judeochristian principles, The Bill of Rights and The Hippocratic Oath

CP - well, so here is an example to help you understand how some of us feel....

You were "butchered by the Psychs"

You are suffering... and posting on a blog, where others are posting about their sufferings from the Pyschs....


and I start waxing my wins...

I talk about how my Dad had electric shock and drugs and he is a changed man.... flourishing and prospering..... and I go on and on about how well he is doing and how wonderful "the Psychs" are.

That is what that feels like when you wax your LRH wins here.

IT HURTS!

There are the Scientological Holocost Survivors here.... waxing wins " restimulates" us

I was traumatized by Scientology. I am trying to recover.

You posted:

"But I will speak well of it and recommend it be studied by those who like myself, adhere to basic Judeochristian principles, The Bill of Rights and The Hippocratic Oath"


This is only a justification and rationalization. We are not talking about "The Psychs" here.

Here is the whole truth -

Scientology has damaged many people - myself included.

I am trying to recover from the aftermath of the side effects.

I have family in and no hopes of them ever leaving.

I have to HIDE my identity in order to keep them in my life.

I was indoctrinated with lies that only confused me.

I am not equipped with tools to survive in the world. I did not go to college, I was manipulated into working as a staff member for free - for most of my adult life.

I have no career - I am working a shit job to pay off debt from my "crimes against humanity".

I am spinning from debt, spinning from the loss of the love of my life, spinning because my family guzzles the kool aide daily and I am watching people I grew up with - spiral down to nothing.

I have watched people die early deaths, had to deal with suicides and watch perfectly good people - lose abilities and skills the more they go into the study and "counseling" of L Ron Hubbard....they become confused and afraid. The Scientological GOAL done very slowly over time.

Why do you think Scientology has you sign legal contracts that state you won't SUE Scientology if you lose abilities and skills ?

Divorces, financial ruin and careers destroyed... are only some of the obvious side effects.

My mind is fucked up from the tech.

I am trying to unravel the confusion with the truth.

Waxing wins about Scientology further confuses us who just want the truth.

Scientology HURTS

Scientology KILLS!

Abolish Scientology and put David MIscavige in JAIL!

 

[Out Effix]

I think OE innocently mixed up CS with CP somewhere. Sooner or later we're all bound to hit the wrong button around here. I don't know. Maybe I'm the one who is confused.

Yes - I was so "restimulated" and upset - I must have hit the wrong button.

My bad...

Carry on ...

 

[TheOriginalBigBlue]

Yes - I was so "restimulated" and upset - I must have hit the wrong button.

My bad...

Carry on ...

Oh thank god! For a moment there I thought I needed the Senility Rundown.

 

[Clay Pigeon]

CP - well, so here is an example to help you understand how some of us feel....

You were "butchered by the Psychs"

You are suffering... and posting on a blog, where others are posting about their sufferings from the Pyschs....


and I start waxing my wins...

I talk about how my Dad had electric shock and drugs and he is a changed man.... flourishing and prospering..... and I go on and on about how well he is doing and how wonderful "the Psychs" are.

That is what that feels like when you wax your LRH wins here.

IT HURTS!

There are the Scientological Holocost Survivors here.... waxing wins " restimulates" us

I was traumatized by Scientology. I am trying to recover.

You posted:

"But I will speak well of it and recommend it be studied by those who like myself, adhere to basic Judeochristian principles, The Bill of Rights and The Hippocratic Oath"


This is only a justification and rationalization. We are not talking about "The Psychs" here.

Here is the whole truth -

Scientology has damaged many people - myself included.

I am trying to recover from the aftermath of the side effects.

I have family in and no hopes of them ever leaving.

I have to HIDE my identity in order to keep them in my life.

I was indoctrinated with lies that only confused me.

I am not equipped with tools to survive in the world. I did not go to college, I was manipulated into working as a staff member for free - for most of my adult life.

I have no career - I am working a shit job to pay off debt from my "crimes against humanity".

I am spinning from debt, spinning from the loss of the love of my life, spinning because my family guzzles the kool aide daily and I am watching people I grew up with - spiral down to nothing.

I have watched people die early deaths, had to deal with suicides and watch perfectly good people - lose abilities and skills the more they go into the study and "counseling" of L Ron Hubbard....they become confused and afraid. The Scientological GOAL done very slowly over time.

Why do you think Scientology has you sign legal contracts that state you won't SUE Scientology if you lose abilities and skills ?

Divorces, financial ruin and careers destroyed... are only some of the obvious side effects.

My mind is fucked up from the tech.

I am trying to unravel the confusion with the truth.

Waxing wins about Scientology further confuses us who just want the truth.

Scientology HURTS

Scientology KILLS!

Abolish Scientology and put David MIscavige in JAIL!

I'm listening closely to you OE

You were born in, a disadvantage I did not suffer (by the way, born in when; how old are you?). I made uncommon preparation for the study. DeRopp's "The Master Game" in particular innoculated me against some of the pitfalls suffered by students of the esoteric

Back in the day there was no waiver to sign. So much was so different and so much better then but even then I had personal reservations such that I was willing to study and apply it but not to promote it.

I'm glad to hear you are managing to walk a tightrope so that your family is not disconnecting.

ahhh...

"The love of your life..."

"...hunger not of the belly kind, banished with bacon and beans
but the gnawing hunger of lonely men for a home and all that it means
for a fireside far from the cares that are, four walls and a roof above
O! So cram full of cozy joy and crowned with a woman's love
A woman dearer than all the world and true as Heaven is true..."

Robert Service, from "The Shooting of Dan McGrew"

 

[Peter Soderqvist]

Your wins doing TR's don't impress me!

 

[TheSneakster]

Uncover:

Has you (or anyone else commenting on this thread) actually studied the paper? Or has everyone only read the abstract ?

What exactly is meant by "low light conditions" (which the abstract is highly specific about). Careful reading of the abstract shows only speculation on the part of the authors that a "disassociative state" was actually induced in any of the subjects.

What empirical means of assessing the induction of such a state was used or was it even tested for at all? That is the sort of information that might only be had from studying the full text of this paper.

In other words, drawing a factual conclusion that TR 0 induces a "disassociative state" is unwarranted from this paper's abstract alone.

Using scientific publications one has not fully studied for propaganda purposes is most unwise.

Edit addendum: I suppose I shall now have to hop the train to USC this weekend and access the full text of this paper from there. I'm not keen to pay USD $35 for that privilege from Elsevier.

Michael A. Hobson
Independent Scientologist

 

[Out Effix]

I'm listening closely to you OE

You were born in, a disadvantage I did not suffer (by the way, born in when; how old are you?). I made uncommon preparation for the study. DeRopp's "The Master Game" in particular innoculated me against some of the pitfalls suffered by students of the esoteric

Back in the day there was no waiver to sign. So much was so different and so much better then but even then I had personal reservations such that I was willing to study and apply it but not to promote it.

I'm glad to hear you are managing to walk a tightrope so that your family is not disconnecting.

ahhh...

"The love of your life..."

"...hunger not of the belly kind, banished with bacon and beans
but the gnawing hunger of lonely men for a home and all that it means
for a fireside far from the cares that are, four walls and a roof above
O! So cram full of cozy joy and crowned with a woman's love
A woman dearer than all the world and true as Heaven is true..."

Robert Service, from "The Shooting of Dan McGrew"

Clay Pigeon - why would you ask me my age?

Are you clue less that I am hiding under the radar - with threats of disconnection if my family finds out I am disaffected?

Seriously ?

I have a song for you my friend..... I hope you get a chuckle out of it SP's....


(sung to the tune of "It's begging to sound a lot like Christmas" sung by Johnny Mathis)

It's beginning to sound a lot like OSA....

All across the board

With posts from OSA that give clues away

trying to get info from us everyday

OSA is the spy ring of the CULT.




It's beginning to sound a lot like OSA

All across the blogs

So fuck you OSA today

and fuck you from now on...everyday

OSA is the spy ring of the CULT.


If you are OSA - please ...

Take your Knowledge Reports and shove them up your patootie.

Repeat until you have a win and then write up your success story and post it here.

 

[Clay Pigeon]

Clay Pigeon - why would you ask me my age?

Are you clue less that I am hiding under the radar - with threats of disconnection if my family finds out I am disaffected?

Seriously ?

I have a song for you my friend..... I hope you get a chuckle out of it SP's....


(sung to the tune of "It's begging to sound a lot like Christmas" sung by Johnny Mathis)

It's beginning to sound a lot like OSA....

All across the board

With posts from OSA that give clues away

trying to get info from us everyday

OSA is the spy ring of the CULT.




It's beginning to sound a lot like OSA

All across the blogs

So fuck you OSA today

and fuck you from now on...everyday

OSA is the spy ring of the CULT.


If you are OSA - please ...

Take your Knowledge Reports and shove them up your patootie.

Repeat until you have a win and then write up your success story and post it here.

No OE, I'm most certainly not an OSA operative nor do I consider your trepidation to be paranoid.

I'm interested in you and your well being and it would help if I knew your age. I don't need to know the date and year of your birth (which of course would give OSA a clue) but something like "late twenties" or "mid forties" makes a difference. If you are in your late twenties I might recommend you get a college degree. Mid forties, maybe maybe not.

Many people with college sheepskins have shit jobs though most of them probably make better $$$ than you. And many people w/o diplomas proper doing something they enjoy.

But I certainly recommend that you avoid being bamboozled by the antiscilons who do in fact blow an awful lot of smoke. Hubbard was NOT! "hiding from the law" his last few years. The Law was NOT! pursuing him. There were no outstanding warrants with his name on them and he was in fact a respondent. In 1985 Nibs accused CoS of covering up his father's death and went to court over it. The church responded that he had "gone into seclusion" and the court respected that asking only that they provide evidence of him being alive. Which he did.

And this "Hubbard pushed Mary Sue under a bus" thing is horsecrap. I don't know exactly what happened but if Mary Sue does not claim to have been pushed under a bus no one has any right to make that claim on her behalf and she did not.

 

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No OE, I'm most certainly not an OSA operative nor do I consider your trepidation to be paranoid.

I'm interested in you and your well being and it would help if I knew your age. I don't need to know the date and year of your birth (which of course would give OSA a clue) but something like "late twenties" or "mid forties" makes a difference. If you are in your late twenties I might recommend you get a college degree. Mid forties, maybe maybe not.

Many people with college sheepskins have shit jobs though most of them probably make better $$$ than you. And many people w/o diplomas proper doing something they enjoy.

But I certainly recommend that you avoid being bamboozled by the antiscilons who do in fact blow an awful lot of smoke. Hubbard was NOT! "hiding from the law" his last few years. The Law was NOT! pursuing him. There were no outstanding warrants with his name on them and he was in fact a respondent. In 1985 Nibs accused CoS of covering up his father's death and went to court over it. The church responded that he had "gone into seclusion" and the court respected that asking only that they provide evidence of him being alive. Which he did.

And this "Hubbard pushed Mary Sue under a bus" thing is horsecrap. I don't know exactly what happened but if Mary Sue does not claim to have been pushed under a bus no one has any right to make that claim on her behalf and she did not.

CP - this post has revealed a fact.

One can get out of Scientology

But you can't get the "scientology" out of the person

They have to be willing to LOOK and accept the whole truth.

You are still delusional

That is okay - you are not the first - won't be the last.

As Chloe on "The Secret Lives of Pets" says to Max - "tell yourself whatever makes you feel good".

By the way - I am not soliciting your " help " - so you don't need to know my age. Good try though.

I am fully capable of taking care of myself now that I am not being fed a bunch of confusion "data" and lies about life - from the criminal con man - LRH. He hornswoggled people into not getting college degrees and working for the Commodore - for FREE so he could have children wipe his big, fat and stinky ass and get rich with he new religion.... and play Navy.... because the Navy did not want him either.

Hubbard lied about his "war" record - he was a big fat liar.

LRH talked people out of getting college degrees and actually made fun of it because he flunked out of College ... he was a loser.

Your posts reveal a lot about where you are on the Bridge out of the Mind Fuck called Scientology

Do some more research my friend.... the truth will set you free.