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TRs and The Ganzfeld Effect

Discussion in 'Scientology Technology' started by uncover, Jan 1, 2016.

  1. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    Yes...

    I've been there myself...

    Absolute utter HORROR!!!

    Of recognizing the indisputable total Massive EVIL!!! of L Ron Hubbard.

    Donovan sings...

    "First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is
    First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is."

    And Hegel writes of "The Dialectic Process"; Thesis, Antithesis, Synthesis

    I'm deep into synthesis vis-a-vis Elron and some of you who have gone deep into antithesis lean a little toward synthesis
     
  2. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    Or perhaps Hubbard was being such a gruff but ultimately nonevil blazing bastard in order to get people to break down their walls in such a way as to bond with one another in a context of Peace the way soldiers bond in war.


    Or...

    As Frank Perdue says:

    "It takes a tough man to make tender chicken."



    Common You Skulking Pack Of Whining Weenies...

    L. Ron Hubbard directed that "the church is to be a religious co-operative"

    You get into the realm of synthesis as deeply as I have and maybe you'll see how very important is for us to derive and develop the, by my experience, extraordinary value of a certain greedy power-mad narcissistic psychopath's life work
     
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  3. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    I would recommend a book called "Character Disturbance" by George K Simon Jr which gives a very experienced view on why a lot of people have trouble confronting evil of sociopaths and how to improve the recognition and addressing of the evil.
     
  4. dchoiceisalwaysrs

    dchoiceisalwaysrs Gold Meritorious Patron

    Rog,

    I saw one of your recent post about the use of the Comm Course in your business decades ago. Were the TRs done the 2 hours no blink etc method (hard TRs)?
     
  5. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    I haven’t read the book but I have my own theory and I think the phenomena of Stockholming is a good place to start. As a species we evolved without the usual offensive and defensive attributes of horns, teeth, speed, size or strength. We evolved to be intelligent and to function in groups.

    Functioning in groups requires intelligence to develop influence in order to survive as either a leader or a follower. If the leaders and/or followers are not very intelligent, as we would probably expect of a goodly number of cavemen, then intelligence would probably be manifested more as manipulation. I think sociopaths intuit this and it may even be genetic. It would be consistent with Crowley’s “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law” which Hubbard seems to have adopted as his guiding principle early in life, although I expect there were even cavemen who would find this offensive.

    Being thrust into a mind warping society like Scientology I think triggers this atavistic response in many people. But we aren’t cave men any more so you must be clever about it and corral people slowly and methodically to convert reason into instinct. Hubbard started out gently and ratcheted up the brutality the more he felt in control such as when he settled on the formula for an isolated community on the ships. Most people would leave after a certain amount of abuse but I think he figured out that those people were more of a liability anyway and contaminated the herd. In later years I think he was more focused on culling the non-stockholmees from the stockholmees so here we are thinking that all this brutality is an aberration within the organization when it was calculated by LRH to create a concentrated stockholmed following consisting of a more naturally converted percentile that he could trust according to his increasingly paranoid standards.

    Loyalty to other members of a group is also a key component to LRH’s version of stockholming. In the crudest caveman terms, we evolved to help other group members survive because our own survival depended upon it and there are aspects to loyalty that are as deep in the human psyche as the mechanisms of stockholming. I think Hubbard was keenly aware of this and designed a society that was constantly “under threat of survival” by artificially creating emergencies and perceived enemies to keep us intellectually off balance and focused on helping each other.

    We want to understand all this in rational logical terms but that just doesn’t work unless you accept that there is something very deep in the human psyche that makes us this way. I think it is sad and disturbing to see people cling to this in any fashion long after the facts are in but it speaks to who and what we are as a species.
     
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  6. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    I hope Rog answers but I'd bet fifty bucks to win two that the answer is "no".

    I was on staff when the two hour blinkless standard came down the pipe and it was basically a disaster for the old HAS Course.

    Same with Superliteracy creating "fast flow" by undoing checkouts and clay demos which were very good teaching/training techniques.
     
  7. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    Nah, Choisie . . .

    It was the summer of 1968. I had been the PE Course/Intro Lecturer in HASI London the year before a crazy replacement ED and SO shit hit the fan. I also ran the Fnd HAS Course. Hence I was very familiar with handling new folks . . . Indeed, as the Pub Exec Sec (both day and Fnd) I was producing more new names to CF than any continental zone of orgs.

    When I was booted off staff, I took off to earn a living in that strange and quaint country known as bonny England (remember I'm an Aussie).

    So, what I sold the insurance companies was essentially my Intro/PE Course lectures (Comm Formula, Tone/Emotional Scale/Cycle of Control/Action) and the HAS/Comm Course of the original TRs as published pre-1960. They did do an hour of TR0 . . . but they were not given a hard time because the body did its maintenance thing of blinking . . . that blinkless TRs shit is insane. Why insane??? Well the stated tech is that we are working with you to improve your spiritual presence and being . . . what the hell has a body blink got to do with it!?! That blinkless TR shit simply put MORE focus on the body and made it a problem!!!!
     
  8. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Well, it's obvious you're an Aussie mate since it's Scotland that is 'Bonny', not England! England is 'Olde'. ;)
     
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  9. TheOriginalBigBlue

    TheOriginalBigBlue Gold Meritorious Patron

    ...and the United States invariably does the right thing, after having exhausted every other alternative.
     
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  10. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Yes, a quote attributed to Winston Churchill I believe. To me it sounds like the SOP of politicians in general, irrespective of which side of the pond they may be.
     
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  11. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    "Merrie Olde..."
     
  12. strativarius

    strativarius Inveterate gnashnab & snoutband

    Indeed! I stand corrected.
     
  13. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    You may sit back down and relax amigo

    Other than the OSA plants we're all casual and off duty here
     
  14. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    Oh shit . . . now I've really been outed! :outtahere:
     
  15. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    God Bless Dame Judith Durham!!!
     
  16. Clay Pigeon

    Clay Pigeon Gold Meritorious Patron

    La bete-noir d'enfant terrible?

    C'est ne rien pas...
     
  17. RogerB

    RogerB Crusader

    Oh Dear . . . ancient history being revived here . . .

    R