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Operating teatime
Ah yes, that one. I was making the roundabout point that some people's definitions are self-contradictory. A bit too subtle, perhaps.

Helena

I'd say you were critiquing the Hubbard definition while Leon was working from the Leon definition. We know they're not the same, but Leon calling something a name that other people know by a different definition is just asking for confusion.
 

Leon-2

Patron Meritorious
Helena - or someone - please reprint that post of mine.

I know I said that of a post of Helena's but my memory?! - I can hardly even remember what I had for breakfast today let alone the contents of an earlier post.
 

Leon-2

Patron Meritorious
I'd say you were critiquing the Hubbard definition while Leon was working from the Leon definition. We know they're not the same, but Leon calling something a name that other people know by a different definition is just asking for confusion.


Ahem. Leon's definitions bring clarity to the subject. They are not "self-contradictory".

It is Hubbard's definitions that are confusing.

My favourite Hubs definitions are : Effort = random force, and Force = Directed Effort. (see Tech Dict for both of these)
 

Jump

Operating teatime
Ahem. Leon's definitions bring clarity to the subject. They are not "self-contradictory".

It is Hubbard's definitions that are confusing.

My favourite Hubs definitions are : Effort = random force, and Force = Directed Effort.
(see Tech Dict for both of these)

Thanks, but no thanks. :)
 

Terril park

Sponsor
Re: Love at first sight

While married to Husband #1 I walked into a room one day and was introduced to a man who would many years later become Husband #2. I immediately felt attracted to this man. I was a married woman, not yet particularly unhappy in my marriage, had children and responsibilities, etc. And was not the type to fool around.

Throughout the next 5 years or so, I had occasion to be in the company of this man from time to time. Every single time I was around him, I felt this strong attraction to him. I really liked him as a person, plus I thought he was physically attractive, but it was more than that.

Once, at a New Year's Eve party we both attended, he kissed me shortly after midnight. Everybody drunk and everybody kissing. Wow! That was electric! But that was it. Shortly thereafter he moved on in life, got a different job and I no longer saw him. For years and years. Totally lost track of him.

A little over 10 years later I was separated from Husband #1 with divorce papers filed. I went to a picnic and at that picnic was that man! And, he had been married and divorced (his second) along the way. We took one look at each other and that was it. We were together that night and ever after that until his untimely death at age 60.

So what WAS that? I don't know, but whatever it was, it was powerful. And it had never happened before or since. When we (later) talked about our initial meeting, he said he felt that amazing attraction immediately also. And that all those times I was attracted to him at events that he was attracted to me in return. And that the New Year's Eve kiss had "almost done him in". (I suppose he could have been bullshitting me, but I don't think so.)

So, yes, I do believe in love at first sight. But I never associated it with having lived a prior life. I just accepted it as a very real, unexplained happening. And I know I am not the first nor the last person to experience something like this.

Read about "Twin Flames". There a variety of viewpoints on this.
Here's one.

http://www.twinflamesoulmates.com/twin-flame-signs.html
 

JustSheila

Crusader
Oh! You found the quote, Leon. Cool. Helena said:

WHY THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS OT

Being OT means doing impossible things. If, for some reason, you can start doing one or more of those things, they are not impossible any more. Therefore, you can't be OT because you can't do anything impossible.

Helena, P-1

You entirely missed the gist of what Helena was saying and if you were following the whole thread, you might have understood. It was quite clever, actually, and I liked her post. :yes: You can argue about what 'impossible' actually means, but Helena's point (see her other posts) was that once you accomplish something, it is no longer impossible.

I loved her post. It was cool!
 

Gizmo

Rabble Rouser
Strewth!

Helena - being OT does NOT mean "doing impossible things". That statement is nonsense.

That whole post you made there is just a trap of mirrors all adding up to exactly nothing. Like I said - that post is not worthy of you.

Speaking of mirrors, you seem to be always looking into a mirror and projecting madly in most all of your posts.
 

Emiko

Patron
If the person who performed the 'paranormal' activity later admits that it was just a trick, i. e. that they were just faking it. Then yes it is 'debunked'. The point is that some people will continue to believe even when a prophecy proves false or those perpetrating the activity admit that it is fake.

That's like the start of Mormonism, isn't it?
 

RandomCat

Patron with Honors
That's like the start of Mormonism, isn't it?
I don't think Joseph Smith ever actually admitted that he was a fake (although it should have been obvious). I believe Smith did get arrested once for claiming he could find buried treasure, using his 'magic' peep-stones.
 

Cat Daddy

Silver Meritorious Patron
I don't think Joseph Smith ever actually admitted that he was a fake (although it should have been obvious). I believe Smith did get arrested once for claiming he could find buried treasure, using his 'magic' peep-stones.

As we say as Anons: DOX !!!!!
 

Boson Wog Stark

Patron Meritorious
People conflate beliefs with truth and Scientology facilitates that, all the while convincing its adherents that they are finding out the truth for themselves using methods -- so-called "technology" -- that is proven and extensively researched in Dr. Hubtard's laboratory of what is true for you.

Just believing in something really hard and devoting your life to it does not make it more true.

Sam Harris cites the juicy example of the congress of cardinals (Catholic) getting together to determine/conclude that a baby who dies before it's baptized ends up in limbo, neither Heaven or Hell. Dr. Hubtard make several such important conclusive determinations about the history of the universe and the nature of the human mind.
 
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