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U.S. Pays for Scientology 'Expiriment' on Sick Veterans (Daily Beast)

chipgallo

Patron Meritorious
The funding on this DoD project doesn't make sense. Over $600K was awarded, yet they are only treating 30 vets at a cost of $2K per person. Where is the rest of the money going? The Beast article as well as the one I reference below says that they are not testing the blood for PCBs because it costs $90K to do so. And why if this award was made in 2009 are they just now running the people through? Weird. And weird that Dr. Carpenter didn't know that his research partner was a Scientologist who had fronted for Narconon. *That* is a huge outpoint and makes his assertion that this is an "independent" study nonsensical.

See what the Severna Park Health & Wellness Center is saying about their delivery of the Purif on their Facebook page.

Anyway, here is some more coverage:

http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/ph-ac-cn-detox-1214-20141214-story.html#page=1
 
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AngeloV

Gold Meritorious Patron
What really confounds me about these stories is the questions that are NOT asked, especially by the health professionals. Over and over again, I hear the same thing - if it works, then let's do it, who cares where the idea came from.

FFS, it MATTERS where the ideas came from. ASK the questions:

How did Hubbard KNOW that sweating removes ALL drugs that are stored in fatty tissues?
How did Hubbard KNOW that taking extremely large doses of niacin helps flush out the toxins?
How did Hubbard KNOW that the 'flush' that high doses of niacin produces is 'radiation exiting the body'?
How did Hubbard KNOW that people should take mega-doses of niacin rather than vitamin, E, A, D, C, B12, B2, amino acids or tomatoes?
How did Hubbard DETERMINE what the maximum dosage of niacin should be?
How did Hubbard KNOW how much time in the sauna was correct? 2 hours, 4 hours, 8 hours? For 1 week, 4 weeks?
How did Hubbard KNOW that drinking peanut oil ('good' fat) replaces the 'bad fat'?

Hint: He didn't KNOW. He read about this type of stuff somewhere, and cobbled together these procedures BECAUSE IT SOUNDED GOOD TO HIM. He did diddly squat in terms of studies or experimentation. He put people through the process and had them write 'success stories' and that was proof it worked. Real scientific-like.

Yes, the 'purif' is quackery but to just come out and state that is not sufficient because the statement can be, appropriately, challenged. "Oh, you're just saying it's quackery because your are a shill for the medical establishment and are 'close minded' to alternative medicine".

I just never see these questions asked and by not asking them the writer, doctor or whoever is implicitly giving some credibility to Hubbard's bullshit.

End rant.
 

chipgallo

Patron Meritorious
What really confounds me about these stories is the questions that are NOT asked, especially by the health professionals. Over and over again, I hear the same thing - if it works, then let's do it, who cares where the idea came from.

A little background and some opinion.

I participated in the pilot(s) for the Purification Rundown in Washington, DC in 1978 and did the predecessor treatment called "The Sweat(out) Program." I also trained as a Purif I/C (in charge) to run the DC Mission Purif. We had to wear full body vinyl suits on the first Purif pilot and consume an oddball diet too. The administrators of the Purif told us that our daily write ups were going to Hubbard and the Senior Case Supervisor. Apparently this feedback had some effect on the 2nd pilot because the vinyl suits went away. It's pretty crazy to wear a vinyl suit in a sauna anyway, right? Even the kooky org people pushed back on that one so that it evolved from wearing the suit all the time to just during warm up jogging, prior to entering the sauna.

Obviously there was no scientific measurement of anything going on here. Lord knows these people are not scientific but like to appear so in the photos. The medical clearance in my case was given by an MD who was a Scientologist, so I could have been at death's door and still been approved. The Purif was always pitched to us as a religious activity intended to unburden the body of residual drugs and chemicals that would impede the auditing. Remember they had been slammed over the years for claiming medical benefits to the point where e-meters had to have a little notice to the effect that they were not used to diagnose or treat illness. The Purif had the same organizational risk of being marketed as a medical activity, which it clearly was not staffed, licensed or monitored to be.

Over on the Daily Beast discussion, a participant in the DoD funded Purif named "Missi" raised a good point in the discussion thread under the story. She talks about her "wins" as being due to a cleansing activity that Hubbard stole from other originators. This kind of intellectual plagiarism was typical of Doctor Hubbard and shouldn't surprise anyone. These desperate war veterans will try anything to feel better and constant pain and discomfort do little to enhance your analytical capabilities. They are getting a "free" treatment that may or may not help them. The primary researcher is the one who probably pitched the idea to the DoD and he obviously has been misled and possibly even lied to by the Scientologists involved, including his research partner. Fine kettle of fish indeed.
 

JustSheila

Crusader
Chip, when I was in the SO and we wore the equivalent of vinyl suits (plastic trash bags with the head cut out) to "research" the original Sweat Program that precluded the Purif, at first there weren't any saunas.

I'm not sure if saunas were more effective than running to and from the complex and around the LA Community College track in a Hefty garbage bag over casual clothes, but I am sure research had proven that it was less out PR to install them. :coolwink: Shortly after the Sweat Program pilot started, we also had to use saunas. As I recall, it was 5 hours running OR sauna with a minimum of 1 hour running, then much later, it was sauna only, without the exercise.
 

chipgallo

Patron Meritorious
Chip, when I was in the SO and we wore the equivalent of vinyl suits (plastic trash bags with the head cut out) to "research" the original Sweat Program that precluded the Purif, at first there weren't any saunas.

I'm not sure if saunas were more effective than running to and from the complex and around the LA Community College track in a Hefty garbage bag over casual clothes, but I am sure research had proven that it was less out PR to install them. :coolwink: Shortly after the Sweat Program pilot started, we also had to use saunas. As I recall, it was 5 hours running OR sauna with a minimum of 1 hour running, then much later, it was sauna only, without the exercise.

Yes, that was what we did in DC too. I remember running around on Connecticut Avenue in the full body suit. There was a short period where the suits were worn in the sauna, after it was added to the regimen. I am thinking that Captain Bill or someone like him showed up to get the sauna built. He ordered a bunch of vitamins from a Scientology owned company in LA and didn't go through the correct financial planning (FP). We always had to run with a partner in case, you know, flashbacks, and it facilitated writing observations to the other person's PC folder. A number of people including a popular OT blew while on the initial Purif(s).
 

JustSheila

Crusader
That's exactlly the way I remember it too, Chip. Peter Gillham's was the first to supply the Purif, then later, we were allowed to choose other companies for vitamins. Good on ya remembering Captain Bill putting the saunas in - I'd nearly forgotten about that until you mentioned it. Yes, it was Captain Bill who oversaw building the saunas for the Sweat Program. 1977, as I recall.
 

La La Lou Lou

Crusader
What really confounds me about these stories is the questions that are NOT asked, especially by the health professionals. Over and over again, I hear the same thing - if it works, then let's do it, who cares where the idea came from.

FFS, it MATTERS where the ideas came from. ASK the questions:

How did Hubbard KNOW that sweating removes ALL drugs that are stored in fatty tissues?
How did Hubbard KNOW that taking extremely large doses of niacin helps flush out the toxins?
How did Hubbard KNOW that the 'flush' that high doses of niacin produces is 'radiation exiting the body'?
How did Hubbard KNOW that people should take mega-doses of niacin rather than vitamin, E, A, D, C, B12, B2, amino acids or tomatoes?
How did Hubbard DETERMINE what the maximum dosage of niacin should be?
How did Hubbard KNOW how much time in the sauna was correct? 2 hours, 4 hours, 8 hours? For 1 week, 4 weeks?
How did Hubbard KNOW that drinking peanut oil ('good' fat) replaces the 'bad fat'?

Hint: He didn't KNOW. He read about this type of stuff somewhere, and cobbled together these procedures BECAUSE IT SOUNDED GOOD TO HIM. He did diddly squat in terms of studies or experimentation. He put people through the process and had them write 'success stories' and that was proof it worked. Real scientific-like.

Yes, the 'purif' is quackery but to just come out and state that is not sufficient because the statement can be, appropriately, challenged. "Oh, you're just saying it's quackery because your are a shill for the medical establishment and are 'close minded' to alternative medicine".

I just never see these questions asked and by not asking them the writer, doctor or whoever is implicitly giving some credibility to Hubbard's bullshit.

End rant.

At one time people threw magic dust on fires, iron filings or copper would burn a pretty colour and people would go 'ooooo' and believe the magic man. Niacin does that, it feels amazing, it feels like something is going on. Smoke and mirrors.
 

The_Fixer

Class Clown
Odd things are always going to happen when you do extreme things. It's not only drugs that wreck the body and mind.

Doesn't mean to say it's the right thing to be doing. That is completely another argument.
 

Victoria

Patron Meritorious
Chip, when I was in the SO and we wore the equivalent of vinyl suits (plastic trash bags with the head cut out) to "research" the original Sweat Program that precluded the Purif, at first there weren't any saunas.

I'm not sure if saunas were more effective than running to and from the complex and around the LA Community College track in a Hefty garbage bag over casual clothes, but I am sure research had proven that it was less out PR to install them. :coolwink: Shortly after the Sweat Program pilot started, we also had to use saunas. As I recall, it was 5 hours running OR sauna with a minimum of 1 hour running, then much later, it was sauna only, without the exercise.
Yeah, I did the sweat program also, in the late 70's.
I had a friend from before I joined staff who would lurk around the mission to see if he could at least get a glimpse of me.
He had no idea what I'd done but he was pretty sure it was bad.
When he spotted me at five am on a cold January morning running around the block in a rubber suit, I thought he was going to pass out.
I remember only being allowed to eat fruit and a tiny bit of dairy with massive vitamins.
He gave me $20.00 and begged me to go buy a steak.
That steak may have well been on Mars for all my access.

I do remember the program just ended one day. No attesting, nothing. It just stopped.
I am sure the mission holder was too cheap to build a sauna, so that's probably why our mission pulled out.
What a crock of shit it all was.
 

Bad Sign

Patron
Did Ron do the purif? Somehow I can't see him doing something so tedious and unpleasant as sitting in a sauna for 5 hours a day.
 

CommunicatorIC

@IndieScieNews on Twitter
End Dangerous Scientology Experiments on Gulf War Vets, Says Center for Inquiry

http://www.centerforinquiry.net/new...iments_on_gulf_war_vets_says_center_for_inqu/

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PRESS RELEASE
For Immediate Release
Contact: Paul Fidalgo
Phone: (207) 358-9785
E-mail: [email protected]

End Dangerous Scientology Experiments on Gulf War Vets, Says Center for Inquiry

August 14, 2015

The Center for Inquiry today challenged the Department of Defense’s funding of dangerous pseudoscientific experiments on veterans suffering from Gulf War Syndrome. These experiments involve the Church of Scientology’s “Purif” detoxifications, a sham treatment based on religious tenets, not science. These experiments not only put desperate veterans’ health at risk, but also blatantly violate the separation of church and state. CFI, which advocates for science, reason, and humanist values, will urge the Department to immediately end these experiments and investigate how they were ever approved.

Journalist Brandy Zadrozny revealed on August 12 in The Daily Beast that the Department of Defense has paid $633,677 since 2009 to fund the experimental study of a so-called “Purification Rundown,” or “Purif,” a religiously based “detoxification” regimen invented by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard — a man with no scientific or medical training whatsoever — as a potential treatment for Gulf War Syndrome (GWS). Involving such risky methods as overexposure to saunas and massive doses of vitamins, Purif programs have in the past also been used by the Church as a recruitment tool, with promises to “remove biochemical factors inhibiting your spiritual freedom.”

The Center for Inquiry expressed its grave concerns about the safety of veterans used in these experiments, and pointed out that government-funded Purif programs violate the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause, being grounded in the religious beliefs of the Church of Scientology. As detailed in the Daily Beast report, CFI is also shocked at how thoroughly riddled the study is with financial and promotional conflicts of interest favoring the Church of Scientology, as well as the obvious vested interest in its outcomes by the study’s own Scientology-advocating co-investigator—a conflict unknown to the study’s own lead investigator until revealed by the Daily Beast journalist.

“Veterans suffering from Gulf War Syndrome have been struggling for decades now to find effective treatments,” said Ed Beck, CFI policy analyst and Marine Corps veteran. “Spending public money to use these veterans as guinea pigs to test a pseudoscientific Scientology ritual, in a dangerous, poor-quality study structurally biased in favor of the Church of Scientology itself, does nothing to address their plight. These desperate veterans deserve far better from their government, and that begins with putting an immediate end to this study and investigating how it ever came about in the first place.”

Beck added, ”As it stands, this publicly funded misadventure advances the sectarian interests of the Church of Scientology, not the health and wellbeing of sick veterans.”

CFI’s concerns will be formally presented to the Defense Department and other relevant agencies in a forthcoming communication.

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The Center for Inquiry (CFI) is a nonprofit educational, advocacy, and research organization headquartered in Amherst, New York, with executive offices in Washington, D.C. It is also home to both the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry and the Council for Secular Humanism. The mission of CFI is to foster a secular society based on science, reason, freedom of inquiry, and humanist values. CFI‘s web address is www.centerforinquiry.net.


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chipgallo

Patron Meritorious
I left the Center for Inquiry link on the Severna Park Health & Wellness Center Facebook page. Probably blew my chances for a free massage ...
 

WhatWall

Silver Meritorious Patron
More Coverage

Article posted on World Religion News web site: SCIENTOLOGY DETOX PROGRAM BEING TESTED BY U.S. GOV’T ON GULF WAR VETERANS

This link is being passed around amongst Scientologists as being positive coverage of the test.

Excerpt:
The research is being conducted from Annapolis with an independent research team led by Chief Investigator David Carpenter, a professor of environmental health and the director of the Institute for Health & Environment at the University of Albany. His study strictly follows the protocol proposed by L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology who developed the program.
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The news of this study has been met with significant response by critics and so, there is great anticipation of the results. Will Scientology’s methodology finally be scientifically validated? If so, such would be a watershed moment for religion in general, as how many religions offer scientific proof of their efficacy? Both camps, critics and the Church itself, are deeply vested in an outcome that supports their respective stances though either way it turns out, the report will likely fail at swaying either party from their steadfast criticisms or beliefs, respectively.

World Religious News has a history of posting puff pieces promoting Scientology (and perhaps partially written and guided by Scn PR staff):
FIRST JAPANESE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY ‘IDEAL ORG’ OPENS IN TOKYO, JAPAN
LAURA PREPON TALKS SCIENTOLOGY AND CAREER AT ‘ORANGE IS THE NEW BLACK’ SCREENING
 
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