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Is this 'unindoctrination hat' really a big deal for a Scientologist? To me it still smells of kool-aid, with its heavy Scientologese dialect, and its insistence on the genius of LRH and the validity of the vast majority of 'the tech'.

Is this the thin edge of the wedge, and people who take this step tend to take many more after it? Or is this a pillow for doubting Scientologists to go back to sleep on, comfortably reassured that nothing really basic is wrong?

Umm, actually it is your post which smacks of drinking too much 'kool-aid'. :eyeroll:

Do you even know what IVY is, or what sort of person hangs out there?

Let me answer for you: :no:

Not all flavors of 'kool-aid' are either pro-church or pro-tech. You might want to revisit some of your own assumptions. :yes:


Mark A. Baker
 

Terril park

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I'm surprised we still hear about 'KSW' from time to time. Surely, if any halfway rational people are still interested in Hubbardism it ought to be GSW (Get Scientology Working), of perhaps MSW (Make Scientology Work)?


That would be "your", since "you're" is short for "you are". Also, there is no 'c' in flak. Blubbard would not have been impressed, Terril... but we agree that there is a need to be less fanatical and serious about 'KSW'. :thumbsup:

Shit!

You've taken on the valence of spelling and grammatical police,
and Usurped Sneakster's hall monitor efforts.

And made a piss poor effort.

You do this why?

See below:-

flak or flack (flæk) [Click for IPA pronunciation guide]

"— n
1. anti-aircraft fire or artillery
2. informal a great deal of adverse criticism

[C20: from German Fl ( ieger ) a ( bwehr ) k ( anone ), literally: aircraft defence gun]

flack or flack

— n

[C20: from German Fl ( ieger ) a ( bwehr ) k ( anone ), literally: aircraft defence gun]

Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 10th Edition
2009 © William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd. 1979, 1986 © HarperCollins
Publishers 1998, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009
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Terril park

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Is this 'unindoctrination hat' really a big deal for a Scientologist? To me it still smells of kool-aid, with its heavy Scientologese dialect, and its insistence on the genius of LRH and the validity of the vast majority of 'the tech'.

Is this the thin edge of the wedge, and people who take this step tend to take many more after it? Or is this a pillow for doubting Scientologists to go back to sleep on, comfortably reassured that nothing really basic is wrong?

Hmmm. One may look at the difference of a CO$ Churchie and a
person independent.

Questioning KSW1 is a really big deal. It is a distillation of fanaticism IMO.

Having posted this all over, I hope it helps some to be more flexible in their thoughts.
 

Pooks

MERCHANT OF CHAOS
I knew you as OSA on ARS when you were "Morrigan". I knew you as "Cerridwen"
on ARS but I already knew that you were OSA, and never read your posts. Now you are Pooks, and are no longer a scientologist(?) Exactly when did you step out of scn?
I'm not trying to start a fight, I'd just like to know so as to adjust my thinking.

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Hi,

I'm glad you asked. Actually I never once posted for OSA. When I arrived at ars as Morrigan I did it on my own, without OSA's permission. OSA originally sent me to ars to read something Minton wrote so I could do an OP on him and the LMT. They thought I was hardcore and the entheta wouldn't effect me. Instead, I started reading ars and foolishly thought that if I start talking to the critics of Scn that I could enlighten them as the "real truth" about Scn as I knew it. I did this without OSA's permission and knew that eventually I'd get in trouble with them but at the time, I didn't care.

Instead, I got enlightened and started to wake up. I stopped calling myself a Scientologist in 2004.

After 5 years of posting anonymously as Cerridwen, I was finally outed by OSA and given my own Religious Freedumb Watch page.

So yes, I worked for OSA while in the cult, but never posted on their behalf.

As far as the Unindoc Hat goes. Yes, it's full of Scientologese language and ideas. For those of you that were never in the cult, please understand, getting a person still in, to start looking at critical data can be very difficult. You have to speak to them in their language with their ideas to get them to take that first step out. Once you break the Scn walls down a bit, the person then starts reading and looking. It's just a first step out of the trap. At least it was for me.
 
... As far as the Unindoc Hat goes. Yes, it's full of Scientologese language and ideas. For those of you that were never in the cult, please understand, getting a person still in, to start looking at critical data can be very difficult. You have to speak to them in their language with their ideas to get them to take that first step out. Once you break the Scn walls down a bit, the person then starts reading and looking. It's just a first step out of the trap. At least it was for me.

It does an excellent job of raising important points about the application of reason & personal integrity in a fashion which is irrefutable. :thumbsup:


Mark A. Baker
 

guanoloco

As-Wased
I'm surprised we still hear about 'KSW' from time to time. Surely, if any halfway rational people are still interested in Hubbardism it ought to be GSW (Get Scientology Working), of perhaps MSW (Make Scientology Work)?


That would be "your", since "you're" is short for "you are". Also, there is no 'c' in flak. Blubbard would not have been impressed, Terril... but we agree that there is a need to be less fanatical and serious about 'KSW'. :thumbsup:

This is a most excellent post. I spent decades trying to make Scientology work and went through all the self-abasement that brings about of not being cause enough, DB, SP, PTS, crim, pulling it in, etc.

The trouble is, as I see it now, is that the wins come from divs 4 and 5 and the losses come from the other divs. Then Gadfly pops off about the tech vols being good and the green vols being bad - that summed it up as the red vols are divs 4 and 5 and the green vols run the others. Then Leon posted that Hubbard was left-hand path and others that developed the tech were right-hand path people.

This is the trap. A person sees the "good" tech work and sees Hubbard's name plastered all over it. Then, in short order, the very same person comes up against actual Hubbard (green vols, other divs, yadda, yadda, but suffice to say the left-hand path certainly describes the Beast, Hu666ard) and the cognitive dissonance sets in.

Then you're stuck with trying to make Scientology work.

The onion is that there is some light-Scientology right-hand path stuff that works which is kind of like the glowing lure of a deep sea predator that attracts you to it only to be devoured by the hidden monster in the murky depths of the deep dark sea, that's L. Ron Hu666ard and his "tech".

This has really been quite the journey for me to unravel here on ESMB and I hope others are able to unveil the onion for themselves, too.

Making Scientology Work = the onus of every able bodied Scientologist everywhere.

Here's an excellent post from the Top 25 People Crippling Scientology thread. This post shows the role of Scientologists Making Scientology Work and the subsequent fail this puts you in = Scientology, the ONLY Game Where EVERYBODY FAILS!!!!

Of all the things I have spoken about or written about the religious cloaking, corporate veils, David Miscavige and Hubbard, sometimes one single memory stands out to me when I think of Hubbard's writings being behind it all.

And that memory was of reading a one page document from Hubbard about the "GO octopus".

In later 1981 we got to the point where we were going into our actual briefing for the mission known as "Corporate Sortout". This was after I did an evaluation on corporate that Hubbard apparently approved and thus this mission was being fired to replace the original MCCS mission.

This new Corporate Sortout was the one that worked out and launched the basics for the new corporate reorganization starting with CSI launching in December 1981 and going from there with the new contracts, many new corporations, trusts, you name it.

The one page note from Hubbard himself that was part of the actual mission briefing talked about the "GO Octopus". He talked about how the GO had woven itself into the control of all of organized scientology's legal entities and considered that the GO had done this as somehow being "proof" that this "outside group" was usurping control of scientology.

What shocked me at the time, although I let it go, was that it was Hubbard himself who had ordered us in the GO over those years to take control of the main organizations of scientology and hold the undated resignations of all corporate officials while Hubbard secretly controlled it through "advices" and the like. Meanwhile he secretly controlled us in the GO though his wife MarySue.

It was true that we in the GO were doing all that for Hubbard for years and years. I even wrote and supervised the very legal rudiments programs that were followed to do this.

But Hubbard knew all about it and wanted it that way. So why now suddenly attack the GO for doing what he ordered them to do??

After all, who else in his mind should control it on paper? He knew enough that he could not be seen to be controlling it as then he would have to stand up, admit he was in control and be liable for his own writings and actions. That, I believe, Hubbard was too much of a coward to do.

But Hubbard felt that he did need to control things secretly and to do this he needed a group he could trust and secretly control it for him. When the heat got too much on the GO, he accused the GO of doing the very thing he had ordered them to do (control organized scientology for him).

IMO there were only really three choices to be taken at the time as regards the controls of organized scientology:

1) let the control remain in the GO who could continue to secretly control it for Hubbard:

That was not going to happen. The GO was bringing WAY too much heat especially after the 1977 FBI raids. Hubbard needed a "fall guy" to cover the trail to him and the GO was it. He let them, including his own wife, take the fall for him. (They deserved what they got but the point still remains they took the fall in part to cover the trail to Hubbard while Hubbard himself attacked the very "GO octopus" that he himself ordered created). OR

2) let the real controls of organized scientology fall into the hands of the most dedicated, staff scientologists who are actually assigned to manage it. We in fact pretty much designed a corporate structure for doing that (CSI, RTC, CST and so much more):

Not a chance. Hubbard learned his lesson IMO when he lost control of the original dianetics groups by the very fact that he did not control them (overtly or covertly). Never again was organized scientology (dianetics) actually going to be controlled by anyone but Hubbard or whoever secretly runs it for Hubbard. OR

3) Make it look like #2 above was being done but ensure, as was done by the GO, that those corporations were secretly controlled, this time by Hubbard's messengers. And this included the very same types of secret controls of undated resignations and the like, not by the "GO octopus" but now by the "CMO/OSA octopus". This would have the "benefit" of Hubbard still having ultimate secret control for which he would not realize legal liability as a board member, officer or trustee. It would have two additional "benefits". One would be the "liability" trail to him via the GO could be cut off. The second is that even more naive followers of Hubbard (in this case in the CMO) could control things and he could manipulate them even more than he could manipulate the GO (have them blindly follow his orders more, believe everything he says more, send him even more money, you name it).

As I have covered many times (for example: http://tinyurl.com/3b8ome ), the real control of organized scientology did not change at all from the disbanding of the GO into a "new" OSA. Hubbard always was in control, before and then afterwards.

I never knew Hubbard to be a fan of democracy. There is a nice part in Janet Reitman's book "Inside Scientology" that explains how he lost control of the original dianetics groups and changed his policies on controls when he came out with "scientology".

IMO all this makes Hubbard a coward and a man of no real honor. A man of honor would stand up for what he believes, not let others take the fall for him or stab in the back those who had dedicated their lives to protect him.

It is not an easy cross to bear when you come to realize that so many have been hurt and are still being hurt by what you helped create while you supported a person devoid of true honor (even if you were not abusive and had the best of intentions at the time). PTSD and other ailments truly suck.

At the very least we can simply tell the truth now. And, if it is in our hearts and it is possible, we can do something about it if only by sharing what we know with writers, with government agencies and/or with others who may be helped out of the darkness of organized scientology or helped from falling prey to their lies and greed in the first place.

I believe that every time a piece of truth is told (no matter what "side" you are on) it can only help.

IMO and FWIW
 

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Hi,

I'm glad you asked. Actually I never once posted for OSA. When I arrived at ars as Morrigan I did it on my own, without OSA's permission. OSA originally sent me to ars to read something Minton wrote so I could do an OP on him and the LMT. They thought I was hardcore and the entheta wouldn't effect me. Instead, I started reading ars and foolishly thought that if I start talking to the critics of Scn that I could enlighten them as the "real truth" about Scn as I knew it. I did this without OSA's permission and knew that eventually I'd get in trouble with them but at the time, I didn't care.

Instead, I got enlightened and started to wake up. I stopped calling myself a Scientologist in 2004.

After 5 years of posting anonymously as Cerridwen, I was finally outed by OSA and given my own Religious Freedumb Watch page.

So yes, I worked for OSA while in the cult, but never posted on their behalf.

As far as the Unindoc Hat goes. Yes, it's full of Scientologese language and ideas. For those of you that were never in the cult, please understand, getting a person still in, to start looking at critical data can be very difficult. You have to speak to them in their language with their ideas to get them to take that first step out. Once you break the Scn walls down a bit, the person then starts reading and looking. It's just a first step out of the trap. At least it was for me.

Thank you, Patti.

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Veda

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For any lurkers looking in who are enchanted by 'Red on White', here's some some red on white. Enjoy:

'PABs' were precursors of HCOBs. This is from a 'Professional Auditors Bulletin' of 30 September 1955:

I could tell you about long strings of psychotics run in on the Foundation and the Association, sent in to us by psychiatrists who then, using LSD and pain-drug-hypnosis, spun them and told everyone that Dianetics and Scientology drove people insane. I could tell you about the strange politics and ambitions of psychiatry, so well covered in the book Psychopolitics [Note: Hubbard's hoax Russian textbook, which he had just secretly authored and was not yet published], and give you a proper riddle as to why we, a small group, the only ANGLO-SAXON DEVELOPMENT IN THE FIELD OF THE MIND AND SPIRIT[sic], have been subjected to so much attack and finance... But I am not telling you stories or being dramatic. I am inviting your cooperation in your own future security...

As for dealing with those whose behavior became erratic or an embarrassment after Scientology processing, Hubbard wrote, in the same 'PAB':

You'll find the family physician or psychiatrist was called in midway in processing... You'll find there is a vested interest somewhere in the insanity of the person. An so testify that you suspect it. We will have on hand lots of literature on LSD...

HCOB 21 September 1961, 'Children's Security Check ages 6 - 12'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMmnBXcYN9Q


HCOB 11 May AD 13, 'Routine 3 Heaven':

http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/bfm/heaven.htm

THE TECHNICAL BREAKTHROUGH OF 1973!
THE INTROSPECTION RD

I have made a technical breakthrough which possibly ranks with the major discoveries of the twentieth century. It is certainly the greatest achievement of 1973 and is now being released after a final write-up of the research. It is called the Introspection Rundown.

....

In 1970 the actual cause of PSYCHOSIS was isolated... In the ensuing years this has been proven beyond doubt to be correct.

But what is a psychotic break?

Man has never been able to solve the psychotic break. In fact, human beings are actually afraid of a person in a psychotic break and in desperation turn to psychiatry to handle.


[And here Hubbard goes on about psychiatry, ice picks, electric shocks, etc., then...]

THIS MEANS THE LAST REASON TO HAVE PSYCHIATRY AROUND IS GONE.

[Then there are the steps of the RD, and the HCOB ends with...]

THIS PLANET IS OURS.


[Then there's the HCOB of February 1974, titled...]

INTROSPECTION RD
ADDITIONAL STEPS​
....

ISOLATION​

In a person in a psychotic break, it is necessary to isolate them for them to destimulate and to protect them and others from possible damage...

There comes a point where the C/S must decide to release the person from isolation. To do this the C/S must know if the person can take responsibility for his actions...

The C/S's action is a direct comm line to the person by notes. The person is provided with paper and pen to reply. The C/S must determine the person's responsibility level. Example: "Dear Joe. What can you guarantee me if you are let out of isolation?"... "Dear Joe. I'm sorry but no go on coming out of isolation yet. Your actions threatened the survival of hundreds of people indirectly and 6 families directly by burning down their houses. You are unaware of the effects this could have had and still only concerned about your own welfare. You must hate the human race quite a bit."


[This eventually leads to the cognition...]

"But, but, I never meant to threaten others' survival. I just wanted to burn down their houses because I like fires. Gosh, I didn't mean it. I don't hate the human race. Oh, I really don't hate the human race."


The first half of 1977 was rich with Tech developments from the Commodore. In February 1977 came the HCOB 'Jokers and Degraders', followed by the March 1977 HCOB, 'The Gambler' (Here's a rare photo of LRH doing research into gambling)http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/images/michael-douglas3.jpg, followed in May by 'LSD, Years after they have "come of off" LSD', which introduced the "Sweat program."

The formal "Sweat program" was further described in the HCOB 'LSD and the Sweat program' of February 1978.

'HCOB LSD, 'Years after they have "come off of" LSD'​
:

"Apparently they have become some sort of vegetable or zombie to a greater or lesser degree."

Eventually, the "Sweat Program" became the more marketable "Purification Rundown," with the "Purif" meant for everyone.

Remember the hype for the Purif? "Only Scientologists who've done the Purif will survive World War III."

It was promoted along with the book, 'All About Radiation', which was "written by a nuclear physicist and a medical doctor," with Hubbard being the nuclear physicist.


HCO BULLETIN OF 26 AUGUST 1982

PAIN AND SEX


There are two items in this universe that cause more trouble than many others combined.

One is PAIN.

The other is SEX.

One should know more about these things.

They may have applications but they are used by destructive beings in great volume to cave others in.

Despite the false data of Freud, psychologists, psychiatrists and other criminals, they are not native to a being. They are only artificial wavelengths. They have exact frequencies that can be manufactured. A being or a machine can synthesize either one.

Pain becomes a lock on a being’s abhorrence for misalignment of his own electrical flows. It is a lock upon unconsciousness which shuts off knowingness. Sex is a lock on and perversion of the “joy of creation” which involves a whole being and expands him, but by using just one wavelength, sex, this can be perverted and he contracts.

When pain enters a scene, a being withdraws, contracts and can go unconscious. When sex enters the scene, a being fixates and loses power.

Destructive creatures who do not want people big or reaching—since they are terrified of punishment due to their crimes—invented pain and sex to shrink people and cut their alertness, knowingness, power and reach.

Go into an asylum or a prison and look at the increasing institutional population and know what you are looking at. In the main, these are pain and sex addicts, decadent and degraded and no longer capable. They were sent on that route down through the ages by the psychs and here they are still in the psychs’ hands! And do they get well or go straight? Oh no. Whether in prisons or insane asylums they just get worse. And the psychs in both places rub their bloodied hands as they turn their products loose again upon the remaining population! It’s no accident. And the stocks in-trade of psychs are PAIN and SEX. They will even tell you it’s “natural” to steal!

To compound their felony—if that is possible—they tell you it’s the body doing it. Another crashing big false datum on top of all their other lies.

These are data which emerged from recent thorough research of the whole track. This is not theory or some strange opinion. It is provable electronic fact. The waves are just synthesized.

They are the most-used tools in the campaign against beings in furthering the general goal of those creatures whose sole ambition is destruction. The universe does not happen to be either destructive or chaotic except as such obsessed creeps make it.

L. Ron Hubbard



And there's lots more, but that a sampling. :)
 
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