Unofficial Official statement of Anon's stance on Tory.

(As a disclaimer this applies only to Tory and not to other members of
the Old Gaurd. We consider each member of the OG on a case by case
basis.)

Dear Tory:

We, the faceless members of anonymous do recognize and commend your
years of efforts and successes in fighting the Scientology cult. We
are appreciative of the support you have given to the chanology
effort.

However, this does not exempt you from being responsible for your
actions.

Your recent behavior concerning the Thunderdome and Tommy Gorman
incidents have given us an opportunity to observe certain character
traits that admittedly few of us had really suspected. Specifically,
your deceitful and manipulative ways.

It is now clear to us that although you have left the Cult of
Scientology and protest against them there is still far too much
Hubbard Tech floating around in your brain. We could overlook this in
light of your 30 years in the cult, however, we cannot overlook your
utilization of tech against members of anonymous.

Specifically, you have used Dianetics against one of our members. You
have lied about the situation, manipulated those who care about you,
and shown a lack of remorse for anything other than getting caught.
You have unrepentantly and hypocritically used the very LRH tech you
claim to so abhor. This has resulted in another long time Scientology
protester bullbaiting a member of anonymous and issuing threats of
real life violence. This has jeopardized the movement and created
numerous schisms. This is completely unacceptable. We will not forgive
this, nor will we forget.

Henceforth your quasi-celebrity status within anonymous is terminated.
We will no longer offer you aid in any form. The time of anonymous
giving you financial aid for travel is at an end. The time of
anonymous spreading your videos and story virally is at an end. The
time of Anonymous spreading the red carpet to you wherever you go is
at an end. At this time no apology or restitution is possible nor
desired. You have already wasted your opportunity to make amends for
deadagenting an Anonymous. Your pathetic attempts at a weak and
insincere apology smacks of attempts to "sweep this under the rug".
This is a tactic utilized by Scientologists, not by anonymous. Your
belated apology is moreover an insult to the intellect of rational
people.

You are still welcome to appear at Anonymous protests and pickets and
we will not ask you to leave. You are a useful tone 40 face for the
media, (although not the only one in the LA area) and we recognize
that. However, we recommend that in your future contacts with the
media you learn to keep your story straight. Instead of being a
beloved person to us, you are now just a resource, and one that must
be monitored carefully. Your actions have caused this outcome, and
nothing else.

In recognition of your long years of campaigning against the
Scientology cult we issue you this fair warning. Should you ever seek
to persecute, manipulate, or request money from Anonymous ever again
we shall call down the full power of the Internet haet machine upon
you. You needn't doubt the veracity of this statement. Our more
chaotic elements (the *chans especially) would consider you to be the
juiciest lulzcow to be offered up in some time.You are a juicy target
because you possess an overinflated sense of self-importance combined
with paranoia and over-reactionary ways, traits that are prevalent
within the cult of Scientology. We respectfully suggest that you seek
professional help in properly deprogramming yourself, as it appears
you still have a long way to go before you can declare yourself
healthy. Else, you may one day learn the true meaning behind many of
our "lulzier" slogans.

Sincerely,
Anonymous
 

Zinjifar

Silver Meritorious Sponsor
Just a question; why would anonymous need a 'position' on Tory? Official, non-official or any other kind?

If 'anonymous' chooses to elect patron saints, memes, archetypes, celebrities etc. well, who the fuck cares?

I've known Tory when she was still in and I've known her since she's been out and, she's a person. Not a celebrity. Celebrity isn't good for her and, people who try to make one out of her are not good people.

Tory's 'mistakes' are more about people making mistakes about Tory than anything else.

She's a small town girl and doesn't need the adulation.

Zinj
 

ShortStop

Patron
Just a question; why would anonymous need a 'position' on Tory? Official, non-official or any other kind?

It's just the Thunderdome (Don't go there). They think they are now marblecaek 3.0 and lead anonymous.

The channers would be the first to tell them 'Not Your Personal Army'.
 

Pixie

Crusader
Gee whiz, that was a bit heavy!? :confused2: Care to let us know what she's supposed to have done Mr I will never forgive you??
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
I read some threads on enturb but not so much. Does this actually mean anything in terms of general acceptance by Anons? I hate to ask this, but this wouldn't happen to be an OSA op, would it?

Paul
 

Zinjifar

Silver Meritorious Sponsor
It's just the Thunderdome (Don't go there). They think they are now marblecaek 3.0 and lead anonymous.

The channers would be the first to tell them 'Not Your Personal Army'.

Hey kid, I was doing usenet 'thunderdome'/b/' before you gave up He-Man dolls :)

My skin is nomex

Zinj
 

Pixie

Crusader
I read some threads on enturb but not so much. Does this actually mean anything in terms of general acceptance by Anons? I hate to ask this, but this wouldn't happen to be an OSA op, would it?

Paul

Don't think so, but what was she supposed to have done for gawd's sake?? :confused2: Either way, it's a bit heavy handed, and the invalidation of her personaly and blaming the cult for her behavious and asking her to go get deprogrammed is out the window. I know how I'd feel reading that. That's very harsh and very cold.
 

Zinjifar

Silver Meritorious Sponsor
I read some threads on enturb but not so much. Does this actually mean anything in terms of general acceptance by Anons? I hate to ask this, but this wouldn't happen to be an OSA op, would it?

Paul

It's certainly an 'OSA Op', in the sense that they jump on any bandwagon available, but, I don't doubt that Tory and 'fans' irritate some people.

Hell, they even irritate me :)

Zinj
 

Zinjifar

Silver Meritorious Sponsor
Don't think so, but what was she supposed to have done for gawd's sake?? :confused2: Either way, it's a bit heavy handed, and the invalidation of her personaly and blaming the cult for her behavious and asking her to go get deprogrammed is out the window. I know how I'd feel reading that. That's very harsh and very cold.

Invalidation is Anon's way of saying 'We wuv U'

Zinj
 

ShortStop

Patron
I read some threads on enturb but not so much. Does this actually mean anything in terms of general acceptance by Anons? I hate to ask this, but this wouldn't happen to be an OSA op, would it?
Paul

Not OSA. Although they did trick Magoo into first going into the Thunderdome which started this whole ball rolling.

The Thunderdome is kind of a giant role playing game. Nothing that comes out of them should be taken seriously. If you do, you'll get hurt.

It by no means represents consensus.

Best thing to do is to ignore it & move on. They are just looking for drama. They are upset that they projected an undue level of importance on someone who happens to be just a person like all the rest of us.

They've made her into their own idol & know they must crush it.
 

Escalus

Patron Meritorious
I perceive it as a terrifically huge misunderstanding. Tory's participation in the Thunderdome is only part of it. From what I can gather Tory apparently got a telephone death threat during or somewhat near the time of her surprise at just how degraded behavior in the Thunderdome was. Whether there is a relation between her participation in that rather rarefied part of Enturb or not is still a question I can't resolves, but as folks do she mentioned the phone call to Tommy Gorman Tommy Gorman, who apparently took it upon himself to pick out one of Anonymous at the recent DC gathering at the Mall and threaten him with OSA-style "I know where you live... kick your ass.... I'm Tommy Gorman Tommy Gorman and my nose is crooked because I'm tough" bullshit, thinking since he was one of the guys in Thunderdome stripping away any decency Tory had left (also somewhat of a rivalry in the normal parts of the board as well) and witnesses to Gorman's threats said it was ugly and nearly about to ruin the whole show.

The charge is that Tory manipulated Tommy Gorman Tommy Gorman (he's a meme now) into doing what he did, and when Anonymous (yeah pretty much a whole lot of them) heard that one of their number had been threatened with what they perceived as a residue of Gorman's OSA training they let it be known in no uncertain terms that this was not approved.

From what I understand Gorman's presence is not wanted at the next greater SF raid and, because he has the personality he does, he's as belligerent as they are. So tis probably does not end well.

In the meantime there has been a callout to anons in London sort of like "wtf were you thinking asking people for autographs" and wary that Tory and some of the OG are trying to be rockstars in this show. Anonymous is, basically, reverting to it's nature and trying to burn out any form of celebrity status near its ranks.

My take? As it is on the net, the loudness of the debate is directly proportionate to the lack of information everyone has. Plus Gorman won't apologize and some of the OCMB people seem to say he was justified.

It's a big fucking mess that has been a distraction for some days now. I think it's just folks not allowing for the mesh of cultures here. sad but there it is.
 

Terril park

Sponsor
(As a disclaimer this applies only to Tory and not to other members of
the Old Gaurd. We consider each member of the OG on a case by case
basis.)

Dear Tory:

We, the faceless members of anonymous do recognize and commend your
years of efforts and successes in fighting the Scientology cult. We
are appreciative of the support you have given to the chanology
effort.

However, this does not exempt you from being responsible for your
actions.

Your recent behavior concerning the Thunderdome and Tommy Gorman
incidents have given us an opportunity to observe certain character
traits that admittedly few of us had really suspected. Specifically,
your deceitful and manipulative ways.

It is now clear to us that although you have left the Cult of
Scientology and protest against them there is still far too much
Hubbard Tech floating around in your brain. We could overlook this in
light of your 30 years in the cult, however, we cannot overlook your
utilization of tech against members of anonymous.

Specifically, you have used Dianetics against one of our members. You
have lied about the situation, manipulated those who care about you,
and shown a lack of remorse for anything other than getting caught.
You have unrepentantly and hypocritically used the very LRH tech you
claim to so abhor. This has resulted in another long time Scientology
protester bullbaiting a member of anonymous and issuing threats of
real life violence. This has jeopardized the movement and created
numerous schisms. This is completely unacceptable. We will not forgive
this, nor will we forget.

Henceforth your quasi-celebrity status within anonymous is terminated.
We will no longer offer you aid in any form. The time of anonymous
giving you financial aid for travel is at an end. The time of
anonymous spreading your videos and story virally is at an end. The
time of Anonymous spreading the red carpet to you wherever you go is
at an end. At this time no apology or restitution is possible nor
desired. You have already wasted your opportunity to make amends for
deadagenting an Anonymous. Your pathetic attempts at a weak and
insincere apology smacks of attempts to "sweep this under the rug".
This is a tactic utilized by Scientologists, not by anonymous. Your
belated apology is moreover an insult to the intellect of rational
people.

You are still welcome to appear at Anonymous protests and pickets and
we will not ask you to leave. You are a useful tone 40 face for the
media, (although not the only one in the LA area) and we recognize
that. However, we recommend that in your future contacts with the
media you learn to keep your story straight. Instead of being a
beloved person to us, you are now just a resource, and one that must
be monitored carefully. Your actions have caused this outcome, and
nothing else.

In recognition of your long years of campaigning against the
Scientology cult we issue you this fair warning. Should you ever seek
to persecute, manipulate, or request money from Anonymous ever again
we shall call down the full power of the Internet haet machine upon
you. You needn't doubt the veracity of this statement. Our more
chaotic elements (the *chans especially) would consider you to be the
juiciest lulzcow to be offered up in some time.You are a juicy target
because you possess an overinflated sense of self-importance combined
with paranoia and over-reactionary ways, traits that are prevalent
within the cult of Scientology. We respectfully suggest that you seek
professional help in properly deprogramming yourself, as it appears
you still have a long way to go before you can declare yourself
healthy. Else, you may one day learn the true meaning behind many of
our "lulzier" slogans.

Sincerely,
Anonymous

This is the voice of some pretentious asshole!

Whoever the fuck you are you do not speak for anon. No one does.

" We consider each member of the OG on a case by case
basis.)"

Get over yourself! Who the fuck are you! docs or STFU!

Your thunderdrome? You cannot handle me and have banned me multiple times. I'm not even allowed to READ the thunderdrome!

[ thunderdrome on enturb org is where anyone can say any shit about anyone. Batteries not included. Oops. meant Freezoners. ]

Get me back on you asshole!

Met Tory, she's a sweetie.

Met Tommy and his wife, both sweeties.

They have walked the walk. You're just a wanker!

A pretentious wanker.

Excuse the hostility. I do that on the odd occasion.

Please post docs.
 
The short version of the story is that Tory wandered into the ThunderDome on enturbulation. the TD is essentially the closest thing Enturb has to a chan. Anonymous posting is allowed, and there are almost no rules beyond no child pornographt and no posting of peoples rea life info. Beyond that, pretty much everything is fair game.

When Tory first went into the Dome she was repeatedly warned about its nature. She ignored the warnings and insisted that since she was once an OSA troll, she could handle it. She was further warned that in the Dome nothing is sacred and no one is special, she said she could handle it.

Well it turns out she can't handle it. Tory got trolled pretty hard in the Dome. She did not handle it gracefully. One Anon in particular (MegaPhoneBitch) accused her of using Black Dianetics, this is the point at which she flipped.

Tory accused MPB of being OSA. She was laughed at. She then launched a bit of a campaign of calling several prominent Anons and some other OG with her accusations. She was told she was wrong. We thought she understood the situation when she eventually stated the Dome really wasn;t for her after all.

Then she busted out the Tech.

Tory told a pack of lies to Tommy Gorman, essentially accusing MPB of threatening to kill and rape her. Tommy Gorman tracked MPB down at a protest and in front of media bullbaited him for over an hour as well as threatening to go to his house and kill him. (It has been confirmed by mods that no such threat ever actually took place, the entire thing was falsified by Magoo) MPB (to his credit) eventually apologized to Tommy and did what he had to do for the good of the movement. MPB wasn't even the person who brought this to the attention of Anon, it was other Anon's who witnessed it.

It needs to be noted here that Tory's story has changed several times now. At first when this became an issue she tried to play it down. Only when it became painfully obvious that she was in the wrong for siccing her rottweiler on an Anon did she issue a half hearted apology with a request that we "all just move past this". Well, thats not how Anon does things. After sifting through her lies and half truths we have decided that this is the best course of action.

This is no simple case of people "being human" I shall quote an A.R.S. poster whom I think has summed this up rather well.

Magoo has repeatedly addressed criticism of her by the tune of "OSA, OSA"
(and Bill Yaude!) - showing an irrational and paranoid aspect of her that
made her lose credibility and respect with thoughtful onlookers.

Lately, she made the incredible mistake to not immediately, clearly, and in
a non-ambiguous manner take distance and object to the violent action of her
friend Tom Gorman. She tried to belittle the importance of it by saying it
was just talk, and she tried to justify and excuse it, while at the same
time she was the one to indirectly incite him to that action.

Knowing the importance for Anonymous of their non-violence stance, that was
an unbelievable over-sight on her part. The weak turn-about she did towards
the end was clearly too little too late, and obviously not sincere.

So she should not be surprised of this coming.

I for one fully support this statement by Anonymous.

Acts of violence cannot be excused nor supported nor belittle nor justified
nor incited. If Anonymous did not react to it as they did, the meaning of
their fight would have only but half a leg to stand on.
 
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