Q: There's a few things that you have not been willing to discuss in the days we've been here. You say you are not allowed to talk about them. Which things?
A: They are related to the facts [he used the word facts] you receive as you ascend to the upper levels. It's simply the best way to do it. The issue is that it seems weird [he used the word fjolligt, which mean effeminate or gay but that word does not fit the sentence in Swedish]. That's the purpose of leaking it, to scare people who have not yet been here. "Don't go there, their brains are scrambled"
Q: Do you mean the theories seem weird, odd?
A: Exactly
Q: But you wouldn't think that if you had done the levels in the correct order?
A: No. If we assume they're the same thing that can be found on the internet, that would be the case. [He admits that most people would think the theories are bunk unless they did the lower levels first, in case that's unclear]
Q: So, there are levels which are not public and many people perceive it like there is a lot of secrecy around them. The chruch of scientology wants to protect certain information.
A: It's really not that strange. I mean, the car company that creates a new car.. If someone put all the blueprints on the web, that would be theft. That's exactly what we're talking about here.
Q: Is that how you view the materials? It's theft?
A: Yes, of course. It's copyrighted information. Absolutely.
Q: This is a peculiar mix between religion and business you're describing. So to properly assimilate[understand] the religious philosophy, along the way one has to pay, there's a price tag.
A: I'm tired of talking about the money thing. [Obviously irritated] VERY tired of the money thing. We make people free and they get a product that they're very happy with and they'd never[emphasis] want their money and a worse life back [Implying if they could go back in time and change their desicion to join the church, they wouldn't]. It's really like that.
Q: There's a number of people who have left the church, who have enormous amounts of debt.
A: Their life is their life, and that's something they'll have to take responsibility for themselves. What we deliver is a technology and there's rules.. Well not rules but there's a well defined path for how to become free and if you don't follow it.. Well OK.
Q: If you as a member are critical against the leadership, or your leader David Miscavige, what do you do? Can you as a member criticize him?
A: Absolutely.
Q: Have you ever done that?
A: No. There's no reason to.
Q: Is there anything in his leadership you're critical against?
A: No. Absolutely not. Absolutely[emphasis] not.
Q: There's massive amounts of criticism against David Miscavige from ex-members, and also from members of his family that have left the movement. How do you view that criticism?
A: No comment. I live here in Sweden, we use the technology. No comment. I know nothing about that.
Q: What are your thoughts about the organization around David Miscavige, what's called the Sea Org. The scientologists that work for him, how's their lives? How do they live?
A: They're incredibly dedicated, they know time is running out [Implied: to clear the planet] and... They're incredibly dedicated to making it work. They help every organization to make things work better.
Q: If one has children when one joins the Sea Org, what happens?
A: They have to be a certain age, I don't know exactly [how old]. The children often join Sea Org as well. That's how it's done. The purpose is.. They're so incredibly dedicated, and we here [in this org] benefit incredibly from the existence of the Sea Org.
Q: How do you benefit?
A: All the materials you've seen on this little trip.. It's all translated into 15 or 60 [that's what he said] languages. The sea org does that. Just as an example. They lend support for all kinds of courses and so on, so we become more effective in our job.
Q: What would you say to a 19-year-old, here, in the church in Malmö, who wants to go to the US and join the Sea Org?
A: Welcome
Q: Don't you have a responsibility to find out how it will turn out for her?
A: Absolutely, and it will be great.
Q: And you're sure about that?
A: I'm sure. I know many people who work in the Sea Org. No problems whatsoever. Really.
Q: You've answered some of the hardest questions about Scientology. How do you feel about having to do that all the time?
A: It's draining, but it's my role to take the hit so that the operation can keep going. So that everyone who works here can go full blast on working to make people free.