Update on the Sydney Ideal Org situation
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purple haze
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I've been to Adelaide = city of churches. lol what a joke on the Church of Scn! And a luau too boot!
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Lucretia
Patron with Honors
"50 Tickets available, $50 per ticket, get it now and help your Ideal Org!
* First prize is a full make up and hair make over, with matching, gorgeous dress!
* Second prize is a Helicopter ride in Doug's famous yellow chopper!
* Third prize is a full indulgence hamper - eat your way to heaven "
First comment: 50 X $50 = $2,500???? What kind of fund raising is that?? Maybe for toilet paper for the year.
Second comment: Eat your way to heaven - a new process perhaps? Kirstie Alley is doing very well at it.
* First prize is a full make up and hair make over, with matching, gorgeous dress!
* Second prize is a Helicopter ride in Doug's famous yellow chopper!
* Third prize is a full indulgence hamper - eat your way to heaven "
First comment: 50 X $50 = $2,500???? What kind of fund raising is that?? Maybe for toilet paper for the year.
Second comment: Eat your way to heaven - a new process perhaps? Kirstie Alley is doing very well at it.
Zhent
Leakus Maximus
Bump time. 
It has now been a full YEAR since Sydney Org moved to 4 Hercules st, Surry Hills, and it now official - Scientology has WASTED their one year and $390,000 as ZERO construction work has been done on 201 Castlereagh st.
I managed to get up to Sydney on Saturday to see this for myself, here is a pic,
And you may note it is pretty much identical to the one in the OP.
Also if you have read the OP carefully you will note that Scientology's 1 year temporary lease of 4 Hercules St has expired. Or has it?
Certainly the 1 year is up from July 14, 2009, however I noted a distinct lack of packing at Hercules st, perhaps actually a sense of dejected permanency. Sure the Org was dead... but it always seems to be dead these days.
Another anon has told me that apparently Scientology had the option to purchase an additional 6 months lease with the original year. I have not been able to find confirmation of this, I even tried to contact the real-estate agent handling the buy but I never got a response back...
But anyway, it would SEEM that somehow Scientology has indeed managed to secure an additional lease on 4 Hercules St.
...But oh the shame the shame! What the public must be thinking over this ginormous flap - their flagship historical Org has lain empty for a year, and much money has been wasted to keep it that way while the public are forced to walk the 'ramp of shame' (what I call Hercules St Org's entrance ramp).
Now if Scientology only had the gift of FORESIGHT (See also: common sense), then perhaps they could of moved out when the ACTUALLY HAD THE MONEY TO UPGRADE.
So where does this leave things? Scientology is still stuck in a hole/warehouse/dump etc, 201 Castlereagh st remains a quiet monument to a foregone age of theta, and it seems there is not enough money to break the stalemate.
Even if they manage to whip up the money overnight, there is NO CHANCE they will get the org upgraded in 6 months. So now one can only hope that after another 6 months Scientology Sydney will finally run out of lifelines, be punished for their idiocy and forced to move into AOSH ANZO or something else ridiculously embarrassing.
My god, the hole Scientology Sydney have dug themselves into, it is almost unfathomable - (both their hole and the unfathomableness, both in literal and figurative senses....... oh now I've confused myself).
It has now been a full YEAR since Sydney Org moved to 4 Hercules st, Surry Hills, and it now official - Scientology has WASTED their one year and $390,000 as ZERO construction work has been done on 201 Castlereagh st.
I managed to get up to Sydney on Saturday to see this for myself, here is a pic,
And you may note it is pretty much identical to the one in the OP.
Also if you have read the OP carefully you will note that Scientology's 1 year temporary lease of 4 Hercules St has expired. Or has it?
Certainly the 1 year is up from July 14, 2009, however I noted a distinct lack of packing at Hercules st, perhaps actually a sense of dejected permanency. Sure the Org was dead... but it always seems to be dead these days.
Another anon has told me that apparently Scientology had the option to purchase an additional 6 months lease with the original year. I have not been able to find confirmation of this, I even tried to contact the real-estate agent handling the buy but I never got a response back...
But anyway, it would SEEM that somehow Scientology has indeed managed to secure an additional lease on 4 Hercules St.
...But oh the shame the shame! What the public must be thinking over this ginormous flap - their flagship historical Org has lain empty for a year, and much money has been wasted to keep it that way while the public are forced to walk the 'ramp of shame' (what I call Hercules St Org's entrance ramp).
Now if Scientology only had the gift of FORESIGHT (See also: common sense), then perhaps they could of moved out when the ACTUALLY HAD THE MONEY TO UPGRADE.
So where does this leave things? Scientology is still stuck in a hole/warehouse/dump etc, 201 Castlereagh st remains a quiet monument to a foregone age of theta, and it seems there is not enough money to break the stalemate.
Even if they manage to whip up the money overnight, there is NO CHANCE they will get the org upgraded in 6 months. So now one can only hope that after another 6 months Scientology Sydney will finally run out of lifelines, be punished for their idiocy and forced to move into AOSH ANZO or something else ridiculously embarrassing.
My god, the hole Scientology Sydney have dug themselves into, it is almost unfathomable - (both their hole and the unfathomableness, both in literal and figurative senses....... oh now I've confused myself).
Kookaburra
Gold Meritorious Patron
What a pathetic mess! Someone probably had a Thursday 2pm target to get the org moved to temp premises so just pushed it through despite no DA or finds to renovate 201. Such is the way things go in Scn.
A few months ago they met their target of what was needed to start the renovations, about 6 million if I recall, and it still hasn't started. I hope the guy who threw in that last million dollar donation is righteously pissed off. I certainly would be.
Thanks for the update, Zhent.
A few months ago they met their target of what was needed to start the renovations, about 6 million if I recall, and it still hasn't started. I hope the guy who threw in that last million dollar donation is righteously pissed off. I certainly would be.
Thanks for the update, Zhent.
Feral
Rogue male
You know Zhent the total cost of the move and the now wasted rent could well exeed the total takings of both day and foundation orgs for the year.
It is a classic as far as bad business decisions go, but it stops being funny when you realise that it's their parishioner's idle org donations that were plundered and wasted to move the org to Hercules st. and next to a possible third location as the renovations may not come to fruition before the developer of Herculeds st. needs to start.
Maybe the CofS will crumble and start selling ideal morgues before they ever begin to renovate Castlereagh st.
It is a classic as far as bad business decisions go, but it stops being funny when you realise that it's their parishioner's idle org donations that were plundered and wasted to move the org to Hercules st. and next to a possible third location as the renovations may not come to fruition before the developer of Herculeds st. needs to start.
Maybe the CofS will crumble and start selling ideal morgues before they ever begin to renovate Castlereagh st.
Kookaburra
Gold Meritorious Patron
I think the selling of this expensive real estate might be just what DM has up his sleeve. 201 is worth a bomb. Apparently also has a large mortgage on it, taken out on a fully paid for building in order to send money to DM. So they are likely still paying on the mortgage as well as the rent for Hercules St. I have a feeling that 201 will never be occupied by Scn again and all these donations will be frittered away.
Just as well. This Idle Org nonsense will sink Scn faster.
Zhent
Leakus Maximus
I don't think its ever been mentioned online, but the land value of 201 Castlereagh st is $2,999,000. That coupled with the actual building... they could make a fair bit of money selling the place. That would allow them to buy a new building and keep Sydney Org alive for a few more years.
Only they were stupid enough to start tearing the interior apart in preparations for the upgrade, if they tried to sell it they would get a decent bit less as any new owner would have to totally refurbish/overhaul the place themselves. And of course theres the heritage listing, which makes refurbishment a difficult process (as the cult have themselves found out). I would be thinking all this has deffinetly lowered the value of place, as there would just be too much hassle and work for any prospective owners.
Anyone interested in spending $11? I would love to see the title deed to 201 Castlereagh from the NSW Lands and Property Management Authority.
For anyone curious, the land value for AOSH ANZO is $3,600,000
and the Dundas base - $1,280,000
Thats over $140,000 a year in land taxes.... which I don't think they pay.
Only they were stupid enough to start tearing the interior apart in preparations for the upgrade, if they tried to sell it they would get a decent bit less as any new owner would have to totally refurbish/overhaul the place themselves. And of course theres the heritage listing, which makes refurbishment a difficult process (as the cult have themselves found out). I would be thinking all this has deffinetly lowered the value of place, as there would just be too much hassle and work for any prospective owners.
Anyone interested in spending $11? I would love to see the title deed to 201 Castlereagh from the NSW Lands and Property Management Authority.
For anyone curious, the land value for AOSH ANZO is $3,600,000
and the Dundas base - $1,280,000
Thats over $140,000 a year in land taxes.... which I don't think they pay.
Asyd
>>> if they tried to sell it they would get a decent bit less as any new owner would have to totally refurbish/overhaul the place themselves.
I would like to hear from former CofS memebers on the state of the electrical and construction work inside 201 Castlereagh St, I imagine "they" used RPF unqualified labour and I doubt anything would meet council specifications...
>>> if they tried to sell it they would get a decent bit less as any new owner would have to totally refurbish/overhaul the place themselves.
I would like to hear from former CofS memebers on the state of the electrical and construction work inside 201 Castlereagh St, I imagine "they" used RPF unqualified labour and I doubt anything would meet council specifications...
Panda Termint
Cabal Of One
It's difficult to sell. I think it's Heritage listed and the real Church next door IS Heritage listed, this is a BIG problem for any re-devolpement of the site. Besides, they're not allowed to sell it per a specific Hubbard Advice (as if that Advice meant anything these days).
Feral
Rogue male
When I was on staff in the late '80s we were told some int guy, since declared, mortgaged the building. We were having a flap making the annual interest payment at the time. I was since told that mortgage was gone, handled, kaput. Is this not true?
The figure you quoted would be from the "Valuer General" would it not?
I was told the value of the site was substantially more than that on an open market. I thought it was around $7 mill back in the '80s.
Kookaburra
Gold Meritorious Patron
I only heard about the mortgage being taken out. I never heard that it was handled. Not to say it didn't happen. Maybe someone else here knows for sure.
Land values for the purposes of taxes are generally quite a bit lower than market value.
Zhent
Leakus Maximus
BUMP
I think I have finally figured out this Ideal Org thing, and I now I will share some new data on the progress.
Firstly, one of the things that has caused great confusion about the status (money to go etc) of the Ideal org is that it is actually split up into Phases.
There are three principal Phases:
Phase 1 : Lots of stuff (~ $6.8 million)
Phase 2 : Actual Construction (~ $3.5 million)
Phase 3 : Fixtures, Furniture and Equipment (~ $1.5 million)
Total: Still about $11.8 million, though possibly a bit less.
When previous figures of "$X to go", or "$X needed' have been mentioned they have been quoting for a specific phase (I think).
Sydney Org finally finished fundraising for Phase 1 in May this year.
They currently have ~$2.3 million to complete Phase 2.
To sum it up, they have a total of ~$3.8 million left. Or around 30%.
The following is a graph of the fundraising status over the last year:
I also have a graph which shows data back to 2006, but the data back then wasn't very reliable. Contrary to the trend shown in the above image, before 2010 the fundraising status was mostly flat-lining, the beginning of 2010 marking the 'relaunch' of the Sydney Ideal Org Fundraising Project.
And as you can see from the graph, they have been making steady progress this year.
However the ferociousness of this fundraising must be remarked upon.
In 2010 they have had in excess of TWENTY fundraising events. These events usually have a theme, for example; the “Harry Potter and the Conquest of the Physical Universe” event, the "Braveheart" event, the "Mat Hatter Tea Party" event, the "Men in Black event", the "Biffo Footy Night" event etc. Yes, they most definitely have a taste for 'borrowing' the intellectual property from movies.
Anyway, they have been hosting these CONSTANT events, nearly every week in fact, and at every one people are regged to 'give it all they got' because the Ideal org is really the only thing that is going to save Scientology and boom the Orgs.
Quotes:
"Our future depends on the opening of our Ideal Org, to actually Clear NSW and ANZO"
"The stats say it all – those Ideal Orgs are way above 'average' org. The production from the handful of Ideal Orgs is more than all the other Class V orgs! When I was first shown these facts a couple of years ago I really wanted to support this because I could see that, finally, our goals would be achieved. Even though the target was pretty big (who would have thought of each org raising millions of dollars each a few years ago?!) at least we now had the correct order of magnitude. "
"For example – the existing 15 Ideal Organisations deliver more than twice as much as all the other Organisations put together. "
"Ideal Orgs change and save lives on a large scale. By actual stats from other Ideal Orgs the minimal average production of an Ideal Org is 14 X to 30 X an average Org, depending on the statistic."
But how many times can one person 'give it all they got' !?! Its utter insanity what they are doing, every week being broken down to give more and more and more. How are the public surviving this?
Well it seems many aren't. From what I have found there really is less then 100 active Scientologists pushing this. Usually about 40-70 people turn up to these events now, and throughout my data collecting I only have the names of about 60 people who have upgraded their donation status this year, in comparison to 150 over the last 4 years. Why haven't those other 90 donated this year?
Of course my data is not complete, so don't take these stats as 100% correct.
Anyway, so when can we expect a Sydney Ideal Org?
I can apply regression analysis to the above data, but it wouldn't be smart to try and automatically extrapolate this kind of data. I reckon they might be able to complete the fundraising by LRH's birthday in 2011, then have an opening in Mid-Late 2011.
I think I have finally figured out this Ideal Org thing, and I now I will share some new data on the progress.
Firstly, one of the things that has caused great confusion about the status (money to go etc) of the Ideal org is that it is actually split up into Phases.
There are three principal Phases:
Phase 1 : Lots of stuff (~ $6.8 million)
Phase 2 : Actual Construction (~ $3.5 million)
Phase 3 : Fixtures, Furniture and Equipment (~ $1.5 million)
Total: Still about $11.8 million, though possibly a bit less.
When previous figures of "$X to go", or "$X needed' have been mentioned they have been quoting for a specific phase (I think).
Sydney Org finally finished fundraising for Phase 1 in May this year.
They currently have ~$2.3 million to complete Phase 2.
To sum it up, they have a total of ~$3.8 million left. Or around 30%.
The following is a graph of the fundraising status over the last year:
I also have a graph which shows data back to 2006, but the data back then wasn't very reliable. Contrary to the trend shown in the above image, before 2010 the fundraising status was mostly flat-lining, the beginning of 2010 marking the 'relaunch' of the Sydney Ideal Org Fundraising Project.
And as you can see from the graph, they have been making steady progress this year.
However the ferociousness of this fundraising must be remarked upon.
In 2010 they have had in excess of TWENTY fundraising events. These events usually have a theme, for example; the “Harry Potter and the Conquest of the Physical Universe” event, the "Braveheart" event, the "Mat Hatter Tea Party" event, the "Men in Black event", the "Biffo Footy Night" event etc. Yes, they most definitely have a taste for 'borrowing' the intellectual property from movies.
Anyway, they have been hosting these CONSTANT events, nearly every week in fact, and at every one people are regged to 'give it all they got' because the Ideal org is really the only thing that is going to save Scientology and boom the Orgs.
Quotes:
"Our future depends on the opening of our Ideal Org, to actually Clear NSW and ANZO"
"The stats say it all – those Ideal Orgs are way above 'average' org. The production from the handful of Ideal Orgs is more than all the other Class V orgs! When I was first shown these facts a couple of years ago I really wanted to support this because I could see that, finally, our goals would be achieved. Even though the target was pretty big (who would have thought of each org raising millions of dollars each a few years ago?!) at least we now had the correct order of magnitude. "
"For example – the existing 15 Ideal Organisations deliver more than twice as much as all the other Organisations put together. "
"Ideal Orgs change and save lives on a large scale. By actual stats from other Ideal Orgs the minimal average production of an Ideal Org is 14 X to 30 X an average Org, depending on the statistic."
But how many times can one person 'give it all they got' !?! Its utter insanity what they are doing, every week being broken down to give more and more and more. How are the public surviving this?
Well it seems many aren't. From what I have found there really is less then 100 active Scientologists pushing this. Usually about 40-70 people turn up to these events now, and throughout my data collecting I only have the names of about 60 people who have upgraded their donation status this year, in comparison to 150 over the last 4 years. Why haven't those other 90 donated this year?
Of course my data is not complete, so don't take these stats as 100% correct.
Anyway, so when can we expect a Sydney Ideal Org?
I can apply regression analysis to the above data, but it wouldn't be smart to try and automatically extrapolate this kind of data. I reckon they might be able to complete the fundraising by LRH's birthday in 2011, then have an opening in Mid-Late 2011.
xseaorguk
Patron Meritorious
Idle Org
you can bet they will eventually get the money together for their Mc$cientology Franchise Org that looks justs like the others on the inside.
Lots of video screens and book displays and tons of staff running around in steak house uniforms.
A special corner dedicated to his majesty LRH about his adventures and how he was just perferct at everything and suuuch a professional!
Then not to forget the foreign staff members who hardly speak fluent english, but are there just to guide you to the latest video and DVD they want you to watch. (dont ask them anything as you will NOT get 'verbal tech' from them)
Then their shiny new org will have a fabulous opening where $cnists are bussed and flown in from all over the world and a huge ribbon will be placed above the org and balloons will fly up into the sky and fireworks, music and celebrations will happen. David Miscavige will hold a speech behind high walls preventing any outside eyes and coverage.
After that has died down they will go back to the usual people who worked in the other orgs, just different rooms and different uniforms.
The org will still not be producing any 'clears' and anybody thinking of looking in to $cn will Google it first and stay away because its mainly bad news on the internet to read.
Welcome to the 'Truman Show'
you can bet they will eventually get the money together for their Mc$cientology Franchise Org that looks justs like the others on the inside.
Lots of video screens and book displays and tons of staff running around in steak house uniforms.
A special corner dedicated to his majesty LRH about his adventures and how he was just perferct at everything and suuuch a professional!
Then not to forget the foreign staff members who hardly speak fluent english, but are there just to guide you to the latest video and DVD they want you to watch. (dont ask them anything as you will NOT get 'verbal tech' from them)
Then their shiny new org will have a fabulous opening where $cnists are bussed and flown in from all over the world and a huge ribbon will be placed above the org and balloons will fly up into the sky and fireworks, music and celebrations will happen. David Miscavige will hold a speech behind high walls preventing any outside eyes and coverage.
After that has died down they will go back to the usual people who worked in the other orgs, just different rooms and different uniforms.
The org will still not be producing any 'clears' and anybody thinking of looking in to $cn will Google it first and stay away because its mainly bad news on the internet to read.
Welcome to the 'Truman Show'
scooter
Gold Meritorious Patron
Who you gonna call?
We had Stably Exterior and Sir Facer up at our place last weekend for a visit and the conversation turned (naturally enough) to what’s happening with Sydney’s Idle Morgue campaign.
I leant something that I didn’t know before about the move to Hercules St. from Castlereagh St. and it’s this:
The scilons HAD to move because Castlereagh St. was basically condemned as unsafe by the Fire Dept.. This, I’m presuming, would include CLO’s move to Dundas as well as the Cl. V org move to Hercules St..
So I asked myself “What would Ron do?” and the answer was “Find and expose the crimes of those who attack you.”
Amazing how easy it is to get people to talk derogatorily about the cult these days. Basically the renovations at Castlereagh St. CANNOT begin until the building is OK fire-safety wise.
So if anyone sees “renovations” happening there at all, you KNOW who to call. They drive around in big red trucks with sirens blazing and everybody loves them. They’re now also CULT-BUSTERS. They were pissed when I told them that the RPF had been seen in there late at night.
Have a good day now, lurking OSAspawn.
You commit ‘em, we expose ‘em.
We had Stably Exterior and Sir Facer up at our place last weekend for a visit and the conversation turned (naturally enough) to what’s happening with Sydney’s Idle Morgue campaign.
I leant something that I didn’t know before about the move to Hercules St. from Castlereagh St. and it’s this:
The scilons HAD to move because Castlereagh St. was basically condemned as unsafe by the Fire Dept.. This, I’m presuming, would include CLO’s move to Dundas as well as the Cl. V org move to Hercules St..
So I asked myself “What would Ron do?” and the answer was “Find and expose the crimes of those who attack you.”
Amazing how easy it is to get people to talk derogatorily about the cult these days. Basically the renovations at Castlereagh St. CANNOT begin until the building is OK fire-safety wise.
So if anyone sees “renovations” happening there at all, you KNOW who to call. They drive around in big red trucks with sirens blazing and everybody loves them. They’re now also CULT-BUSTERS. They were pissed when I told them that the RPF had been seen in there late at night.
Have a good day now, lurking OSAspawn.
You commit ‘em, we expose ‘em.
Miss Pert
Silver Meritorious Patron
We had Stably Exterior and Sir Facer up at our place last weekend for a visit and the conversation turned (naturally enough) to what’s happening with Sydney’s Idle Morgue campaign.
I leant something that I didn’t know before about the move to Hercules St. from Castlereagh St. and it’s this:
The scilons HAD to move because Castlereagh St. was basically condemned as unsafe by the Fire Dept.. This, I’m presuming, would include CLO’s move to Dundas as well as the Cl. V org move to Hercules St..
Yeah Scooter, I remember I was working on reception when CLO moved out and then the Fire Dept called and said they were coming to inspect. You should have seen everyone running around moving all the stuff that blocked the exit passages. The space behind reception where the lift is was full of everything from bicycles to boxes of promo, this space was also where the fire alarm box and, I think, electrical box were and was supposed to be kept totally clear of any obstruction. The bike and other crap were put downstairs somewhere and the boxes were moved to the public waiting area where the lounge was, good thing no one ever came in to wait in the public lounge area cos it was really messy. As soon as the inspector was gone it was all moved back to where it had been originally.
scooter
Gold Meritorious Patron
Well I guess they're stuck at Hercules St. for a while yet as they don't seem to have done anything to get the place up to the standard the Fire Dept. want.
I remember those inspections too - the Fire Dept were "SPs" for doing their jobs.
I just wonder if they've ever told their public that the building is basically condemned and is going to take a shitload of work just to get it up to where they can start to do renovations on it.
I remember those inspections too - the Fire Dept were "SPs" for doing their jobs.
I just wonder if they've ever told their public that the building is basically condemned and is going to take a shitload of work just to get it up to where they can start to do renovations on it.
Feral
Rogue male
Well I guess they're stuck at Hercules St. for a while yet as they don't seem to have done anything to get the place up to the standard the Fire Dept. want.
I remember those inspections too - the Fire Dept were "SPs" for doing their jobs.
I just wonder if they've ever told their public that the building is basically condemned and is going to take a shitload of work just to get it up to where they can start to do renovations on it.
They've raised $8 mill to renovate a condemned building without disclosing the actual issue to their dupes.
IF that's not fraud I'm not sure what is!
I told you I was trouble
Suspended animation
Interesting post Scoots ...
BTW, I'm finding it really hard to keep my face straight when reading that you had "Stably Exterior and Sir Facer" up at your place ... great names for Ex scio's.
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