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Sorry but a small re-write needed here...
Tom Cruise is NOT sexy!!!!
A tea-bag is sexier!
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Sorry but a small re-write needed here...
Tom Cruise is NOT sexy!!!!
A tea-bag is sexier!
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Well, I suppose Giovanni Ribisi has made a bit of name for himself but he's far too aloof and weird to ever be the face of Scientology
Some have potential but I dare say the cult is keeping them back, like Leah Remini. I know some don't like her but I think she is talented and maybe could have gone further without the cult, who knows.
I guess Mark Isham gets a lot of studio and movie work. At least I thought he did. He was a big name -- not sure now.
Lots of people liked Jason Lee until it became common knowledge that he was a Scientologist and I hear a bit of a dick.
So, yeah, they all have their drawbacks the biggest of which is connection to the cult!
I always did like Jason Lee, but at some point, I just got the feeling that he was in the cult. Was sorry to hear it was true.
As far as Leah; she's definitely talented, but I saw her a couple times on the afternoon talk show she was on and was trying to figure out how the cult could spin the fact that she spent most of her life in the tone level of antagonism (based on their criteria and what I saw her saying and doing).
In fact, I happened to catch an episode where she sort of defended that and how it made her a better parent... Scios whipping out a tone scale might have gone 'huh'... Who am I kidding? I always saw Scios defending every dang thing a Scio celeb did...
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OK.... so, it's an indicator that you will leave the cult if you think TC is not sexy? Seriously... pretty much everyone I knew in, or never went in thought he was pretty delicious. Thought I was the only one.
New sanity test: Do you think TC is sexy?
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The lack of any really highly accomplished Scientologists wouldn't be a problem, if Scientology were a religion about attaining compassion, and not about making the able more able. (I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt on whether it is a religion at all.) Scientology is a small and young religion, and by statistics alone, it's unlikely to have included anyone with extreme talent or good fortune, in the few decades it's been around so far.
But Scientology makes tons of claims about giving people extraordinary abilities. If any of those claims were true — never mind the really wild promises about telekinetic hat-knocking and so on — then over the past thirty years or so, there really ought to have been an astonishing wave of brilliant Scientologists sweeping the field in every major human endeavor. Nope.
But Scientology makes tons of claims about giving people extraordinary abilities. If any of those claims were true — never mind the really wild promises about telekinetic hat-knocking and so on — then over the past thirty years or so, there really ought to have been an astonishing wave of brilliant Scientologists sweeping the field in every major human endeavor. Nope.
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There was Hubbard?
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Have you tried asking a Scientologist or Indie Scientologist why that is?
They don't do well with direct questions that are not from the Church-Book-Of-Sanctioned-Standardized-&-Authorized-Questions. The correct answers to those questions are provided free of charge to Scientologists in that same book.
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I go for the funny. Though not necessarily leading man sexy in the eyes of Hollywood, I was always in love with Michael Keaton. Yes, this ages me I know
I was more in love with characters from books - Aragorn from Lord of the Rings, Heathcliff, people like that.
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Professor, you make some great posts and contribute much
, but what you wrote - above - is horseshit.'Religious Cloaking and Abuse' thread:
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?27387-RELIGIOUS-CLOAKING-anp-ABUSE
It's one thing to say, when, for example, calling the police: "There's a car being vandalized parked across from the Church of Scientology," or to call Scientology a religion in jest or to illustrate absurdity, or to use the abbreviation "CofS" for the sake of convenience (as I sometimes do), but quite a different matter to assert, as though giving your blessing, that "Scientology is a small and young religion."
Yikes!
Hubbard wanted very much to, as he would put it, "install" a "stimulus response mechanism," in the minds of the "homo saps," to automatically think of Scientology as a religion. Just placing a sign above the door that says "Church" wins half the battle. Please don't give them the other half.
The abuses that the Headleys are struggling against are possible because of Scientology's religious cloaking.
Scientology is not where Scientologists, 40+ years ago, expected it would be by now.
Below is an article from 'Advance!' magazine from the late 1960s, it's about events envisioned as occurring in 2010:
Scientology Space Org Success on another planet: 2010
...There were, of course, a few diehards [sic] - who claimed man couldn't be helped, that all life was basically composed of star dust... Anyway, we sent these pathetic few to a secluded island where they could get special attention... Eventually even they... were rehabilitated...
Actual scene from the planet Mothar, soon to be the 2nd Clear planet.
...There were, of course, a few diehards [sic] - who claimed man couldn't be helped, that all life was basically composed of star dust... Anyway, we sent these pathetic few to a secluded island where they could get special attention... Eventually even they... were rehabilitated...
Actual scene from the planet Mothar, soon to be the 2nd Clear planet.
OK. So big deal. Scientology didn't achieve it's goal. Nonetheless, its founder wrote a novel about the year 3000, one that became a blockbuster movie in the year 2000, and which starred a famous Scientologist, right?
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Mehh, I've never been too upset about Scientology calling itself a religion. To use Scientologese, to me being a religion is a self-attest. If you want to call yourself a religion, you're a religion. Getting tax breaks is another question — I'm not the IRS, or even American. But the name itself is up for grabs, as far as I'm concerned. I try never to argue about who owns the dictionary.
About asking Indies about the no-geniuses problem: I kind of feel that a lot of Indies want to have it both ways. Scientology is a purely spiritual technology, so of course it can't be disproven in practice, and yet it's also concrete and practical, so it's better than those other-worldly religions that don't really do anything. But okay, maybe Scientology pumps you up spiritually AND also sharpens your mind in a worldly way, just not dramatically enough to have churned out Einsteins by the dozen in the past fifty years. Some reasonable indie Scientologists might hold that position, and if so I don't see any knock-down disproof.
The donkeys being tigers thing seems to be a big part of the appeal: we're going to make you a tiger. That's great if we can actually turn donkeys into tigers, but if we're lying, then we'll have this little problem: the promise of being turned into a tiger doesn't attract many actual tigers.
About asking Indies about the no-geniuses problem: I kind of feel that a lot of Indies want to have it both ways. Scientology is a purely spiritual technology, so of course it can't be disproven in practice, and yet it's also concrete and practical, so it's better than those other-worldly religions that don't really do anything. But okay, maybe Scientology pumps you up spiritually AND also sharpens your mind in a worldly way, just not dramatically enough to have churned out Einsteins by the dozen in the past fifty years. Some reasonable indie Scientologists might hold that position, and if so I don't see any knock-down disproof.
The donkeys being tigers thing seems to be a big part of the appeal: we're going to make you a tiger. That's great if we can actually turn donkeys into tigers, but if we're lying, then we'll have this little problem: the promise of being turned into a tiger doesn't attract many actual tigers.
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