Vinaire's comments on THE LOGICS
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Vinaire
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Tulpa Hubbard's so-called "Logics".
All illusion. I hereby destroy them all.
Good for you, Gordon. Now you don't have to visit this thread again. It will be invisible to you.
... Unless you create it again because of your attachment to Hubbard's tulpaness and "Logics."
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Good for you, Gordon. Now you don't have to visit this thread again. It will be invisible to you.
... Unless you create it again because of your attachment to Hubbard's tulpaness and "Logics."
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Darn. Are you non-looking at your own attachments and hallucinating them as someone else's again?
Vinaire
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Ok V. now you've gone and done it, right here in front of the gods and everything else . Lol. You've created an opening for me to attempt to crack open your mind for the benefit of, well, I, the gods and everything else here. Which of course would include all of us being/sitting under the equivalant of the Buddha Tree. So to speak. And so to chuckle.
To wit: Damn...the telephone just rang....I'll finish this asap.
Lol.
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Logic #5
Here is the next Logic.
(1) The statement of observations (something noticed or perceived) requires that the terms involved must be defined.
(2) The statement of suppositions (something considered as a possibility) also requires that the terms involved must be defined.
(3) The alignment of observations and suppositions also requires that the terms involved must be defined.
(4) The resolution of problems (matter involving doubt, uncertainty, or difficulty) also requires that the terms involved must be defined.
(5) In short, a term must be defined so that it could be examined, and any use of that term could be understood by another. This is necessary for communication to occur.
(6) “If you would argue with me, define your terms.” - Voltaire
(7) Definitions of terms, in general usage, are available in published dictionaries.
(8) These definitions may be descriptive, differentiative, associative, or action oriented.
(9) Any definition, of course, is subject to scrutiny.
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Here is the next Logic.
(1) The statement of observations (something noticed or perceived) requires that the terms involved must be defined.
(2) The statement of suppositions (something considered as a possibility) also requires that the terms involved must be defined.
(3) The alignment of observations and suppositions also requires that the terms involved must be defined.
(4) The resolution of problems (matter involving doubt, uncertainty, or difficulty) also requires that the terms involved must be defined.
(5) In short, a term must be defined so that it could be examined, and any use of that term could be understood by another. This is necessary for communication to occur.
(6) “If you would argue with me, define your terms.” - Voltaire
(7) Definitions of terms, in general usage, are available in published dictionaries.
(8) These definitions may be descriptive, differentiative, associative, or action oriented.
(9) Any definition, of course, is subject to scrutiny.
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Vinaire
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Is what it is... It is how I perceive it.
I hope my filters are thinning day by day.
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Rene Descartes
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Gee viniare,
One could essentially use the logics to start with the age old expression ofttimes used by those immersed in LRH ideas that
The MEST universe is there because one considers it to be there
therefore
The MEST universe is just a consideration
therefore
There is no distrinction between MEST and consideration
therefore
consideration = MEST
therefore
theta = MEST
I think now we need Spock to say
"Captain, the logic is impeccable"
Rd00
One could essentially use the logics to start with the age old expression ofttimes used by those immersed in LRH ideas that
The MEST universe is there because one considers it to be there
therefore
The MEST universe is just a consideration
therefore
There is no distrinction between MEST and consideration
therefore
consideration = MEST
therefore
theta = MEST
I think now we need Spock to say
"Captain, the logic is impeccable"
Rd00
Vinaire
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I don't think it is as simplistic as you make it above. MEST is an acronym for matter, energy, space and time, which, for me, is not limited to physical matter, energy, space and time. When you imagine something, you also imagine matter, energy, space and time simultaneously.
Maybe the Hadron collider will soon divulge the secrets for the PHYSICAL matter, energy, space and time.
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Vinaire
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LOGIC #6
(1) The first postulate is always arbitrary and it may be regarded as absolute.
(2) This first postulate may be expanded into a network of sub-postulates at many levels.
(3) Thus associations among postulates come into existence.
(4) Thus logic comes into existence.
(5) Absolutes are meaningful only in the context of these logical associations.
(6) In the physical universe also, absolutes such as, absolute of temperature (where all motion stops), absolute purity of metal, etc., are unobtainable.
(7) This is because it’s always a gradient scale of data or space or action or objects in a universe.
(8) Absolutes may be obtainable by postulate. But that is by the introduction of an arbitrary.
(9) Postulates, such as, good, evil, etc., would then be absolute by arbitrary definitions only.
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(1) The first postulate is always arbitrary and it may be regarded as absolute.
(2) This first postulate may be expanded into a network of sub-postulates at many levels.
(3) Thus associations among postulates come into existence.
(4) Thus logic comes into existence.
(5) Absolutes are meaningful only in the context of these logical associations.
(6) In the physical universe also, absolutes such as, absolute of temperature (where all motion stops), absolute purity of metal, etc., are unobtainable.
(7) This is because it’s always a gradient scale of data or space or action or objects in a universe.
(8) Absolutes may be obtainable by postulate. But that is by the introduction of an arbitrary.
(9) Postulates, such as, good, evil, etc., would then be absolute by arbitrary definitions only.
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Rene Descartes
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And absolute pregnacy does not exist....
Rd00
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Vinaire
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It is true that running or erasing things like Imaginary Incidents and Things That Never Really Happened can bring a person out of the depths of despair into a feeling of utter elation. Is this DECEPTION? Or is it VALID THERAPY.
Similar logic seems to work with placebos. There is a study going on about it presently.
Of course, when a person is elated because he has acquired something that he desperately wanted, he is then willing to give things away. He can be made to give even his rights away. He can be taken advantage of. We may have the art of mental placebos perfected in Scientology.
I think the subject of placebos is an interesting one and should be studied.
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Rene Descartes
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I agree with you vinaire.
If a certain placebo works, then...
Hey wait a sec...
You almost had me there vinaire
I was about to say...
But I caught myself before I finished.
Hah hah very funny viniare.
You sure are a Sneaky Pete.
Rd00
If a certain placebo works, then...
Hey wait a sec...
You almost had me there vinaire
I was about to say...
But I caught myself before I finished.
Hah hah very funny viniare.
You sure are a Sneaky Pete.
Rd00
Vinaire
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I agree with you vinaire.
If a certain placebo works, then...
Hey wait a sec...
You almost had me there vinaire
I was about to say...
But I caught myself before I finished.
Hah hah very funny viniare.
You sure are a Sneaky Pete.
Rd00
I can see that you don't trust me. That is a good sign as long as you are thinking for yourself and trusting yourself.
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Vinaire
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I don't think that consideration is quite right. It is not an original postulate either.
I now think that the whole idea of MEST universe is wrong. It is actually a CONSIDERATION UNIVERSE. The truth is that MEST is a by-product of consideration.
We all have been considering and considering and considering. And so, unbeknowst to us, we have been making MEST and more MEST and more MEST. I don't think MEST has ever been directly postulated. That is why it cannot be as-ised directly.
So, the MEST universe has not been considered by anybody (Is there a God?). MEST universe is simply a by-product of all our considerations.
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Vinaire
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LOGIC #7
(1) Our considerations have grown more and more complex on a gradient. This is what that has brought about this universe.
(2) We can establish a reality for another by getting them to agree without friction on a gradient.
(3) Agreement is actually identification with another person’s reality. A sudden agreement or identification is hypnosis.
(4) One can see another person’s reality without going into agreement with it.
(5) To untangle oneself from the MEST universe one needs to look at one’s agreements and identifications on a reverse gradient toward greater simplicity.
(6) One can understand gradients by looking at a number line, where the location of ZERO as a reference point is arbitrary. The step from one gradient to the next is arbitrary as well. And these steps are never ending in either direction from zero.
(7) Any evaluation is always relative between two points on a scale. It may involve more scales, or even infinite number of scales. But that evaluation can never be absolute.
(8) A datum gets its truth value through evaluation. Therefore, any datum has only relative truth.
(9) As one evaluates against environments, experience, etc. the truth of a datum is relative to environments, experience and truth of other data.
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(1) Our considerations have grown more and more complex on a gradient. This is what that has brought about this universe.
(2) We can establish a reality for another by getting them to agree without friction on a gradient.
(3) Agreement is actually identification with another person’s reality. A sudden agreement or identification is hypnosis.
(4) One can see another person’s reality without going into agreement with it.
(5) To untangle oneself from the MEST universe one needs to look at one’s agreements and identifications on a reverse gradient toward greater simplicity.
(6) One can understand gradients by looking at a number line, where the location of ZERO as a reference point is arbitrary. The step from one gradient to the next is arbitrary as well. And these steps are never ending in either direction from zero.
(7) Any evaluation is always relative between two points on a scale. It may involve more scales, or even infinite number of scales. But that evaluation can never be absolute.
(8) A datum gets its truth value through evaluation. Therefore, any datum has only relative truth.
(9) As one evaluates against environments, experience, etc. the truth of a datum is relative to environments, experience and truth of other data.
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Vinaire
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(1) The value of a datum cannot be established by itself.
(2) It has to be established through comparison with another datum.
(3) For this purpose both data must be plotted on a common scale.
(4) That is to say, a common denominator of both data must be found.
(5) The larger is the common denominator; the better would be the comparison.
(6) The better is the comparison; the better would be the evaluation of that datum
(7) To work a problem one applies the gradient scale of logic.
(8) On this scale there are infinity of points, and between any two points, again there are infinity of points. Any of these points may act as the reference point for rest of the points.
(9) Two values when compared to each other continually lead to an infinite number of possible states.
(10) A maybe is a state that keeps two things in balance. This state holds a problem in abeyance.
(11) When a person is sitting in a maybe, there is no action. You may unbalance his bullpen of maybes by throwing onto him enough new data. He may go into action just by learning more about a situation.
(12) MEST must be gotten to hang in a maybe to make it stable, otherwise it will flow away. For instance, a lack of balance in potentials may result in electrolysis with metal getting dissolved
(13) Absolute values are just a theoretical goal. You cannot obtain infinity of good because there’d be no differences of potentials anywhere along the line and the whole universe will just stop.
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