Was LRH bisexual?

[Ulduz]

Hubbard’s mentor and idol, Aleister Crowley, was bisexual. Early in his life Crowley expressed no interest in men. But he also knew that homosexual act greatly enhances magical powers. To bring his magick to a new level Crowley begun having sex with his male followers. I’m not sure how Crowley managed to get erection; his biographers are mute on this topic. Perhaps, he was engaged in group sex with his partners being both female and male.
LRH and Parsons tried to produce the “child of abomination”, mystical Babilonia; they also tried to evoke Satan. Those are very powerful rituals requiring homosexual contact.
Parson and Hubbard standing naked inside the pentagram and trying to communicate with the Devil without screwing each other first? Give me a break!
Has anyone heard about LRH’s homosexual exploits?

 

[Panda Termint]

I don't think so. Why does it matter to you?

 

[Ulduz]

I don't think so. Why does it matter to you?

I was wondering how powerful the OT magic is. Without gay sex no one could get to the OT Infinity level. (or, maybe, I'm talking about OTO levels)

 

[Panda Termint]

Considering the degree of homophobia inherent in the scientological mindset, I'd suggest that we don't need to worry about this too much.

 

[Dulloldfart]

I was wondering how powerful the OT magic is. Without gay sex no one could get to the OT Infinity level. (or, maybe, I'm talking about OTO levels)

Ulduz, I've just decided what to do with you.

Goodbye.

Paul

 

[Ulduz]

Ulduz, I've just decided what to do with you.

Goodbye.

Paul

I guess you took it personally. It was not intended that way; sorry if I hurt your feelings. The exact words were "OT Infinity". No one had reached that level so far. I apologize.

 

[TheSneakster]

Hubbard’s mentor and idol, Aleister Crowley, was bisexual.

Aleister Crowley never even met Ron Hubbard, let alone mentored him. You need to work on accurate research.

LRH and Parsons tried to produce the “child of abomination”, mystical Babilonia; they also tried to evoke Satan.

No eyewitness, first hand account of this alleged "moon child" ritual has yet been produced.

Your case has not even remotely been made. Try again.

 

[AnonKat]

I think I believe you altough like many Scientologists calling Hubbard a friend so does Hubbard call crowley "a very dear friend" Wich isn't a thing to bruhahaha about as the religions at that time were designed to keep men under.

I could have been a Satanist just to flip everybody off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6fwzOYoAfY

Aleister Crowley never even met Ron Hubbard, let alone mentored him. You need to work on accurate research.



No eyewitness, first hand account of this alleged "moon child" ritual has yet been produced.

Your case has not even remotely been made. Try again.

 

[Ulduz]

Aleister Crowley never even met Ron Hubbard, let alone mentored him. You need to work on accurate research.



No eyewitness, first hand account of this alleged "moon child" ritual has yet been produced.

Your case has not even remotely been made. Try again.

The word “mentor” does not necessarily mean that two people met in person; they could have exchange letters on regular basis, just like Parsons and Crowley did.
There are accounts about attempts to create Babilonia, one of them is presented in Wikipedia. You may not believe them, but this is a matter of personal opinion.
I did not try to make a case showing that Hubbard was bisexual because I do not have data supporting it. I just indicated the possibility that he might have had homosexual encounters, and asked if anyone knows about it.

 

[Veda]

Apparently, Hubbard believed himself to have been a homosexual in his past life as Cecil Rhodes:

The thread: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?4319-The-Rhodesia-Story&highlight=cecil+rhodes


From DartSmohen:

This was told to me by the brother of the guy who was in Rhodesia with Hubbard in 1966. As to whether it is totally true or not, I will never know, but the two brothers were very dour, humourless management consultants from Manchester. I cannot think of any reason to doubt their story.

As you know, Hubbard was usually very down on anyone who thought they had been a famous person in a past life. Except him, of course.

Hubbard firmly believed he was Cecil Rhodes in his previous life. In fact, one of the main reasons he went to Rhodesia was to try and discover where Rhodes had hidden his treasure. (This treasure hunting was a theme through Hubbard's later life).

Cecil Rhodes was an outrageous homosexual in his day. In order to get into the "mindset" of Rhodes, Hubbard had to take on his attributes. this is rather ironic, considering Hubbard's intolerance of gay men and women.

He got a house out in the bush, very near the Rhodesian side of the Victoria Falls. The brother in Rhodesia (We shall call him JOE) was conscripted as Hubbard's gofor. There was no telephone and one job Joe did was to arrange a land line to be installed across 40 miles of open bush.

Hubbard was networking very closely with the Rhodesian Government, led by Ian Smith, Hubbard was looking to create a safe territory for Scn.

In order to get into the part of Rhodes, Hubbard apparently used to dress up in a kaftan, turban, embroidered slippers and used a long art-deco cigarette holder. He also apparently used face rouge.:

Joe drove down to the house one day and Hubbard opened the door.

Joe was gobsmacked. He suddenly remembered something in the car and was around the side of the house doubled over with hysterical laughter. Christ, what the hell is going on here!!

Anyway, Joe composes himself and tries to go back in again. It took three attempts to control the laughter.

In the house Hubbard is mincing about the place and Joe is ramming his nails into his hand to stop bursting out laughing. Hubbard is talking about his plans to find the treasure and also how his networking is going.

After a while Joe has to leave and quickly drives away, only to stop about one mile up the road, convulsed in laughter and now becoming rather worried about what he has become involved in.
A few days later Hubbard is in Bulawayo meeting with top officials and meets up with Joe. Everything is normal. Nothing is said about the incident.

This goes on for a few months, Joe down at the house, Hubbard all dressed up, still no idea about where the treasure is buried. Interestingly enough, nothing was ever mentioned to me about any drugs or stuff. There was plenty of drinks, also no reference to any upper level research.Hubbard invited dignitaries down to the house on several occasions, where he entertained them well.

However, one day one of Ian Smith's men called by unannounced. Hubbard, decked out in all his finery, opened the door.! The look on the man's face must have been priceless!!

Within a couple of days Hubbard's visa was revoked and he was out of the country. He arrived back at London Airport to an organised welcoming crowd.

It was not long after this that the troubles started with Scientologists coming into the country.

Ian Smith had been in secret talks with the British Government over the resolution of Rhodesia's breakaway independence action. I personally have no doubt that Hubbard's escapades in Rhodesia were fully mentioned at that time and that they may well have triggered the government clampdown on Scn activities in the UK.

Hubbard gave a talk on Rhodesia. Obviously he said nothing about what really went on. Instead he went on about OT's needing to work together, how they could not succeed alone. For Hubbard, the Rhodesia incident became a closed book.

I asked Joe one day about Rhodesia and all he would say was "Don't get me started on that" (said laughingly).


From Alan:

Hubbard came back from Rhodesia and stated "A lone OT will fail!"

What he left out was: Especially if they dress up in a kaftan, turban, embroidered slippers, use a long art-deco cigarette holder and face rouge.

He also stated: "It takes a team of OTs to win!" He also left out: "We'll dress them in pretty sailor suits - and they can salute each other and call each other, Sir!"

I had heard about this Rhodesian episode from two other sources - a fairly high up GO person who had to try and help LRH stay in the UK - and someone who had audited one of the brothers. I had to clean the auditor up (coffee shop) as what came up caved him in!

Apparently Ian Smith the then Prime Minister of Rhodesia was still in talks with the Prime Minister of England Harold Wilson and the subject of LRH came up that started a whole chain of events - which eventually led to LRH forming the SO and also led to him escaping arrest for deportation at the last moment - when we stole out of Southhampton in the middle of the night on the Royal Scotsman's maiden voyage.

Ah! The good old days! - Such intrigue, such adventure and such comedy!

 

[AnonKat]

Hubbard alsoo said he was a student of Freud wich doesn't mean he met him or exchanged any letters. I can be a student of Freud even.

The word “mentor” does not necessarily mean that two people met in person; they could have exchange letters on regular basis, just like Parsons and Crowley did.
There are accounts about attempts to create Babilonia, one of them is presented in Wikipedia. You may not believe them, but this is a matter of personal opinion.
I did not try to make a case showing that Hubbard was bisexual because I do not have data supporting it. I just indicated the possibility that he might have had homosexual encounters, and asked if anyone knows about it.

 

[Lurker5]

I don't believe he was, or would have engaged in the practice, under any circumstances. He was terrified of homosexuality, and of women/sexuality too - IMHO. He never met Crowley, but was a protoge with Parsons, and may have, probably did, engage in trying to create the child of abomination - or whatever that is called. Every warlock I ever met was interested in that . . .

The tubbard was one sick sob, and he laid that on all his followers - for the 'bad' of mankind - IMHO. One sick sob . . .

 

[uniquemand]

I don't believe he was, or would have engaged in the practice, under any circumstances. He was terrified of homosexuality, and of women/sexuality too - IMHO. He never met Crowley, but was a protoge with Parsons, and may have, probably did, engage in trying to create the child of abomination - or whatever that is called. Every warlock I ever met was interested in that . . .

The tubbard was one sick sob, and he laid that on all his followers - for the 'bad' of mankind - IMHO. One sick sob . . .

I don't understand why it matters.

My two cents: he was "charged" about sex, masturbation and "sex roles", and it showed in his writing and his life.

What the specific "charge" was, or its manifestations, I don't really know or care.

 

[Ulduz]

I don't believe he was, or would have engaged in the practice, under any circumstances. He was terrified of homosexuality, and of women/sexuality too - IMHO. He never met Crowley, but was a protoge with Parsons, and may have, probably did, engage in trying to create the child of abomination - or whatever that is called. Every warlock I ever met was interested in that . . .

The tubbard was one sick sob, and he laid that on all his followers - for the 'bad' of mankind - IMHO. One sick sob . . .

Yes, he was terrified of homosexuality, but some active homosexuals are also affraid of it for variety of reasons.

 

[Veda]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeMQIO3TgyM

From; 'Mission Earth' volume 9; 'Villainy Victorious':

Oh, a soldier's life is the life for me;
Tuma-a -diddle; tuma-a-diddle, paw-pata
In camp and plain, I'm always free
To tuma-diddle, tuma-diddle, paw-paw~
No women ever spoil my view
With tuma-diddle, tuma-diddle, paw-pam
They're always wanting something new
Not tuma-diddle; tuma-diddle, paw-pam
For it is the men that I enjoy
To tuma-diddle, tuma-diddle, paw-pav.~
The best there is I find is boy!
Oh, tuma-diddle, tuma-diddle; paw-pam
The enemy I do not mind
If tuma-diddle, tuma-diddl4 paw-paw
Can go on in my behind
With tuma-diddle; tuma-diddle, paw-pa~
And if my bunkmates all are kind
With tuma-diddle, tuma-diddle, paw-pam
Surrounded by ten thousand (bleeps)
That tuma-diddle, tuma-diddle, paw-pa~
All passionate and hard as rocks
To tuma-diddle, tuma-diddle, paw-pazt~
Eager to slide in my buttocks
And tuma-diddle, tuma-diddle, paw-paw!
So (bleep), (bleep), (bleep) and (bleep) in me!
Tuma-diddle, tuma-diddl4 paw-pam
And let me (bleep) and (bleep) in thee
With tuma-diddle, tuma-diddk, paw-pam
Oh, what a love-ul-lee Arm-ee!
With its tuma-diddle, tuma-diddle;
OH! BOY!

 

[Winston Smith]

I don't believe he was, or would have engaged in the practice, under any circumstances. He was terrified of homosexuality, and of women/sexuality too - IMHO. He never met Crowley, but was a protoge with Parsons, and may have, probably did, engage in trying to create the child of abomination - or whatever that is called. Every warlock I ever met was interested in that . . .

The tubbard was one sick sob, and he laid that on all his followers - for the 'bad' of mankind - IMHO. One sick sob . . .

With that I propose this thread is inane. I for one don't give a damn about Blubbard and his hangups. They are what screwed us all for everything we had if we let them.

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

Well, Hubbard did write a DEKALOGY, called Mission Earth, which is a science fiction novel.. But it's only because of the liberal use of words 'bleep', and 'bleepulation' that it's not classed as gay porn.

Well, maybe he wasn't bisexual.. But he damned sure was a bleepard!

 

[Auditor's Toad]

One thing for sure, mention dear old Ron was gay or bi and he will be staunchly defended.

This is funny stuff !

 

[La La Lou Lou]

He may just have been terrified of human sexuality in any form. Though I am terrified of the thought of imagining him on the job with anyone, or by himself.

Homophobes are often feeling guilty because they think they might have had a thought once about perhaps thinking that another guy was good looking. He could have been so hateful of his son's sexuality because of intentions or deeds that he might have had in his own past, his own Brokeback mountain.

He might also have hated homosexuality because he failed to cure the 'first' clear, or his own son. Don't forget that sexuality was created by psyches, according to what he said, maybe even believed.

His definition of 2D did have the word bisexual in it. Bisexual never did mean divided into two separate sexes, or any other invented meaning.

Overall I have no interest in the guy's sexual preferences and hang up's, he's dead by the way.

 

[Lurker5]

One thing for sure, mention dear old Ron was gay or bi and he will be staunchly defended.

This is funny stuff !

I would never defend the 'Turd, for anything, or about anything. I just don't think he was gay. I think he feared women and was impotent - but that was THEIR fault, not his, and so he turned them into waiting-handmaidens, in shorts and crop tops and high boots, and screamed and yelled. And yelled and screamed. Objects - for his wrath. Hey, there are many bosses out their in wog world who do this same thing, with both sexes. Sick sick sick. If he'd been gay, he'd have been having sex with men. And I don't believe he did - or there'd have been rumors of it.

We can't really hide who we are . . . eventually it leaks.

And I don't have a problem with gays/transgenders/ blah blah. If it harms no one, who cares :confused2:. In fact, following the concept of full-disclosure, those 'out' are more ethical than the scnos/co$ .