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Wendy Honnor ....OUT!?????

Thrak

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No smearing is neccessary, as she's shown herself to be a vain and egotistical idiot, by putting stuff like this on her website:

"No laurel wreath, trophy, award or commendation throughout history compares to the International Association of Scientologists Freedom Medal. Nor does any badge of honor parallel what that medal represents in terms of service to mankind, and real freedom for all."

So you carry on feeling your feelings, and I'll carry on feeling mine.

Yeah that's a tough comment to live down. In a way you hope she never does wake up because to make such an impossibly grandiose statement and then to come to to the conclusion that the Cof$ and she were completely FofS would be a tough one to swallow.

This must be a legitimate psychological phenomena where a person so thoroughly paints them self into a corner that it would be unbearable to admit error so they just keep the delusion going until the end.
 

Lulu Belle

Moonbat
Where does this "letter" of hers come from? It's not on her website. Her last Facebook posting was some time in May; definitely nothing about this. There's no appearance anywhere that's she's anything but a devoted Scieno.

Am I missing something?
 

Thrak

Gold Meritorious Patron
That's very true.

It's interesting how many exes really do hold onto so much anger because Scientology didn't appreciate what a great auditor or C/S or exec or whatever they were.

It's kind of understandable, but ... kind of shows they really haven't let it go.

It takes a long time for those plaques and certs to seem valuable it takes a long time for them to seem worthless. I held on to some for a while but at this point when I come across anything from those days that I didn't realize I still had, it hits the trash as fast as I can make it to the trashcan.
 

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Wendy Honnor is a major alpha female drama queen. She's gonna create lots of Lulz for some of us as she enters the "FZ/Indie-anon-OG-exes-critics" arena. <---- I need a name for that group.


It'll probably take a dozen or two attempts to find a good one. But here are the first three ideas that popped up. I'm half-joking, but half-not. LOL.

The list begins...

Macronica. Combination of MACROnic and macRONica

Metaronica. METAronic and metaRONica

Metamoronica. METAmoronica and metaMORONica and metamoRONica


I kinda like that last one (Metamoronica) enough to take a break and come back to it later. It has a nice touch with both RON and MORON in it. I especially like the ICA suffix because it sounds like a place (amerICA)
 

Thrak

Gold Meritorious Patron
Where does this "letter" of hers come from? It's not on her website. Her last Facebook posting was some time in May; definitely nothing about this. There's no appearance anywhere that's she's anything but a devoted Scieno.

Am I missing something?

Yeah I'd say at this point you can't be sure one way or the other. Her letter does seem like true scio speak but there is still the possibility that it's fake. Let's cross our fingers as even if she is crazy having one more freedumb medal weiner leaving is yet another torpedo hole in davey's sinking fake navy.
 

Feral

Rogue male
This is brilliant!

Just when you think it has all got a bit boring, something comes whizzing in from ‘out of left field’ (I hope I got that expression right).

When Wendy Honnor realises it is time to leave, you know things have got bad! :ohmy:

This is why I was so happy to see Debbie Cook’s email 6 months ago. That has been passed around the field, even to people who weren’t on the original recipient list and was always going to have repercussions.

Wendy does appear to well-connected, I just hope that she had the common-sense to sound out her friends first and has taken action to head off the inevitable storm coming her way. I imagine that her life has just got very busy!

<snip>

Let’s hope this is due to hundreds of her associates trying to get more info and not a crass attempt by the cult to shut her up.

I wish her well in trying to get away from the cult, but she is going to have to apologise to Kevin and Vicky before she gets any respect from me.

Axiom142

We wouldn't want anyone shunning her on our behalf Ax man. She's going to be in a tough place for some time by the look of her and truth be told we had the better of that exchange, not her. I mean we were tough on her posting it and she didn't come off looking very good at all.

Her zealous faith and gushing enthusiasm for the tech is going to be open for debate outside the sterile environment of the cult. That's going to mean she needs friends and support while she finds out the real uncensored results of "earnest applications of the Scientology Bridge to Total Freedom".

Just sayin.
 

John P.

Patron
My gut is telling me something fishy is going on here.

I posted a comment to Marty Rathbun's blog. I realized a few minutes ago that there are some very strange details about Wendy Honnor's e-mail. There's enough out of step for the usual "Fuck Off Miscavige!" missive that comes out that something else entirely may be going on.

I am starting to get the gut that the cult may be running a "dead agent" operation on Wendy Honnor for some reason, much as they did on Debbie Cook. Soon after Debbie's e-mail message appeared, her Facebook page was apparently hacked into and she accepted "friend" request from all sorts of indies who were declared SP's. This was almost certainly to show loyal culties that they shouldn't believe anything coming from Debbie Cook. I think the same sort of thing is happening here.

Note that I have never heard of Wendy Honnor before, and couldn't care less what happens to her. From some of the stuff that was unearthed in this thread and from her own words on her web site, she seems like a delusional narcissist, with imagined accomplishments that are even more bizarrely grandiose than most culties claim. I just know that something doesn't pass the smell test on this.

Here are my concerns:

1) Nobody commenting on any site that I can find has said they know this woman and contacted her to hear from her own lips that the e-mail is valid. A lot of people immediately tried to contact Debbie Cook when her e-mail went out, and the word quickly got out that the e-mail was authentic. That hasn't happened here in nearly 24 hours. This woman seems to be enough of a fame whore that lots of people should have her phone number and she ought to be bubbling over with excitement to talk about her brilliant realizations that allowed her, after only ten years, to discover through her impressive specialness, that Scientology is a dangerous and evil cult, something outsiders typically take about ten minutes to figure out.

2) Wendy’s web site does not appear to have been updated in quite some time. She appears to be a bit of a fame whore, attempting to cultivate a reputation as a brilliant globetrotting genius. One would think that her web site would have been updated immediately with her declaration of independence. Yet it feels dusty and musty, like the content hasn't changed in a while. But that hasn’t happened.

3) Similarly, the list of humanitarian organizations she lists involvement with include well-known front groups like The Way to Happiness, and a couple of front groups affiliated with TWTH. From what I understand, most people, particularly those who leave the cult due to the over-regging for donations, would not be too likely to stay involved in these organizations, and it would thus be surprising that she’s left her involvement in these groups intact. Remember that Priscilla Presley, who hasn't even "officially" blown yet, removed all the front groups from her personal web site a couple weeks ago when Tony Ortega speculated that she had "blown" the cult.

4) Wendy’s web site talks about “life improvement programs” and all sorts of other stuff which not only doesn’t sound like it attributes proper credit to LRH “tech” but sounds like it may not be based on Scientology at all. That would clearly be a no-no from the cult’s point of view, and this could be the reason that the cult is trying to sink her -- she's making too much money that could go to them. There might be some other economic reason for her falling into disfavor with the cult, perhaps something as simple as the fact that as an apparently enthusiastic field auditor, she could be embarrassing the downstat Australian orgs by her productivity and results.

5) I notice that the e-mail is surprisingly vague and short of details about what exactly she saw as sufficiently compelling misbehavior that made her blow. I have noticed that the “coming out” declarations that Marty Rathbun has posted have almost always gone into extreme details about what started to create doubt in the minds of the newly independent member. Most of them are so long I can't make it more than halfway through.

There’s none of that here, only a reference to the Debbie Cook e-mail, no specifics of the issues raised. It seems to me like this is how a cult insider would write if trying to "dead agent" Wendy — someone who wants to make it look like Wendy Honnor is now an opponent of the cult, but the author of this e-mail doesn’t want the reader to actually know what was contained in Debbie’s e-mail — since they were all told not to read the original e-mail on pain of “losing their eternity.”

6) Claiming to use “the tech” to cure cancer, but only in concert with a qualified medical practitioner does not sound like the approach that a hardcore Church of Scientology member would use — it seems to me that such an approach could be seen as counter to the belief that once you “drop the body” it is simple to “pick up a new one” and start the next cycle where you left off; working with physicians could almost be seen as doubtful of this belief. In other words, she’s claiming that she’s going to continue what may have been seen as “squirrel tech” before.

7) This e-mail talks about Wendy continuing her work with the “Worldwide Auditor’s Guild.” There is no web presence for a group that claims 600 members, what ought to be a significant portion of the field auditors in the world. It sounds to me like this may have been an attempt to portray Wendy as a purveyor of “squirrel” auditing technology. The only people who would not actually check to verify that there’s no such group would be cult members in good standing, who wouldn’t take a chance on running such a search because they would be afraid they might (gasp!) stumble on some entheta of some sort and end up blowing. Why would Wendy lie about the existence of a group like this in her e-mail, especially when she doesn’t mention it on her web site? She seems very driven by publicity, so if she was heading a group like this, one would think that every last little brain fart she had about this group would be plastered everywhere she could possibly plaster it.

Again, I would like it to be true that a highly visible Australian public has indeed left the cult and resigned. But I am increasingly concerned that this one doesn't add up. Sometimes you have to go where the facts take you...
 

Claire Swazey

Spokeshole, fence sitter
I'm happy Wendy Honnor is now out, looking in. She's a Freedumb Medal Winner, a big time fsm/field auditor, Volunteer OSA PR for ANZO and now she's announcing "public departure". A serious Suppressive ACT.

You have to know that when a die hard moonbat like Wendy is fed up with the bullshit, then it's got to be like 10,000 dominoes going down inside the orgs.

People are starting to read critical data. The OG and Anonymous and the FZ/Indie types have put all the truth and information out there for everyone to see. It can no longer be ignored.

My hope and belief is that the Scios leaving the cult, make it a short stay with the FZ/Indie bunch and then move on to real more critical information and not stay stuck in the Scn mindfuck.

I'm not real worried about the FZ/Indies doing anything important. You have to realize that the FZ/Indies are still Scios and are very damaged and delusional. These guys all have an I.V. hook up to the koolaid. They think just like the guys inside do about most things.

The FZ/Indies are loaded with trouble making kooks that are righteous Scios and completely snake shit crazy. Just like in the cult, there are always big flaps and people k/ring each other, assigning each other conditions and black pr'ing and destroying each others lives for being out ethics. Nothing changes except there's
no OSA or PR department in the F/Z Indie Community so the shit storms get posted about and the full moonbattery is exposed.

I generally avoid all things FZ/Indie because it's all the same Scio crazy drama and it gets annoying after a while.

Wendy Honnor is a major alpha female drama queen. She's gonna create lots of Lulz for some of us as she enters the "FZ/Indie-anon-OG-exes-critics" arena. <---- I need a name for that group.

Well, I don't see it entirely that way. I think the non CofS types are like Christians. Some very sane and sensible, some delusional. And, of course, you KNOW that I'm not a Christian at all. So by "delusional" I mean little connection to reality, their shit colors everything they do, they want to force their shit on everyone, they don';t see anything as it is. Of course, belief wise, almost everyone on the face of this earth is "delusional". So I have found that I must needs use a different yardstick.

Today, I wrote about a party I just attended. There were some FreeZoners there. Totally open to everyone's point of view. A hell of a lot more interested in Scn tech than most of us would be, yeah, but very level headed, not trying to clear any planets or get anybody. Some incorrect ideas, maybe, but is there one single person in the world who has no incorrect ideological ideas?

I know there's moon battery and delusions in the non CofS scene. But my point is being into it -just that- doesn't make a person delusional or a moonbat. Being incorrect about some ideological ideas is not the same thing. However, being incorrect about some ideological ideas can be accompanied by a truly delusional mindset. The two are just not mutually inclusive.

And as to what to call them- well, there's no group. That's the good thing about them. That's why they don't have RPFs and all that shit. But one could, I believe, call it a category. So what would I call the category, straight up? Non CofS Scn'ists. Period.

IMO, I like a denotative approach more than a connotative approach.

I keenly remember all the bullshit I heard from churchies posting on Beliefnet screaming about 1.1s and SPs and the stupid handlings I went through where all critics were depicted a certain way...it gave me an allergy about that sort of thing, along with the ones I have for extreme amounts of dust and smoked mussels.
 

This is NOT OK !!!!

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I couldn't agree with you more.

If it was just a matter of someone doing grades counciling or dianetics abreactive therapy, that's fine with me - I honor freedom of religion and free speech which should cover both either way.

As long as disconnection, fair-gaming, sp declares, gang-bang interrogation, hard and crush sell tactics, political control by ethics threat, black pr and all the hubbardian crap that constituted the trap is gone the way of the nazi death camps with world wide recognition of the horror of it all, I have no problem with her desire to help people improve themselves with a system that she and they find beneficial.

I'll never catch up on the thread before I forget this, so I'm sorry if I repeat another's point, but:

I think the "system" of Scientology registration is EXACTLY what she's teaching to these health care professionals - a copy of what Sterling Management and Singer, etc. have done in the U.S.

True story: When I came to my current home state in the US, my family and I ended up by accident with a dentist who had put his practice through the Sterling program, but stayed out of Scientology. The dentist to this day can talk about his close brush with the cult.......but the fucker still has his staff TRIPLE CONFIRM all appointments! So I have to listen on my answering machine to a recording of the reminder of the appointment, the confirm of the appointment and the double confirm of the appointment.............for EVERY ONE in my family for EVERY ONE of the appointments!!!!:omg:

It's been going on for 20 years!

:clap:

Good luck ANZO!

Comm course one day, product officer check list the next!
 

Feral

Rogue male
what an asswipe

Lol.

Here's the truth behind the glowing accolades for LRH Mick;

Vicky and I helped get Kristen's boy on the Doman program having had such good initial results with Courtney. We provided the introduction and any help she needed easing into the massive program she did.

Her kid did well on it.

Now it's all thanks to standard tech and LRH. I've read several sycophantic success stories attributing all the boy's advances to Ron. Leaving out the decades behind the work of the diet, method of education, stimulation, respiratory help, gymnastics and other contributions of Dr Veras and Glenn Doman made from their life's work on these kids.

Hip hip Hooray to LRH!
 

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--snipped--

Just as Wendy practiced un-looking and selective forgetting at plenty of abuse and weirdness during her long involvement with Scientology (during the Internet era, no less), so other Scientologists are quite adept at un-looking and selective forgetting also, and they can easily un-look at her and selectively forget her.

It was done to Pat Broeker, and to David Mayo before him, and John McMaster before him, and L. Ron Hubbard Jr. before him, and Don Purcell before him, and etc.

In other words, remain c_a_l_m please.



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Terril park

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I make no comment about Wendy, personally, at this time, as it's really a cause for celebration when anyone leaves the cult and apparently Wendy has exited Scintology.

First thing is to allow her to continue to cause her effects on the cult internally and within her circles of friends and asociates by this important decision.

We should be enjoying the consequences of this brave act, not tearing apart the other parts of her character before she gets head start out the range of OSA. There's enough on the net about her anyway. Let's cheer her on. Let's not smear the woman and help do OSA's work.

Quite so!

Debbies mail has had some effects, not much reported to date.

People are often scared.

Wendy, a Freedom Medal Winner is a big deal.

She is an important opinion leader.

Assuming her mail is factual this will have a great effect.

She is clearly dedicated and not scared.

I say she deserves an ESMB medal :)
 

pebbles

Patron with Honors
Re: My gut is telling me something fishy is going on here.

I posted a comment to Marty Rathbun's blog.

1) Nobody commenting on any site that I can find has said they know this woman and contacted her to hear from her own lips that the e-mail is valid. A lot of people immediately tried to contact Debbie Cook when her e-mail went out, and the word quickly got out that the e-mail was authentic. That hasn't happened here in nearly 24 hours. This woman seems to be enough of a fame whore that lots of people should have her phone number and she ought to be bubbling over with excitement to talk about her brilliant realizations that allowed her, after only ten years, to discover through her impressive specialness, that Scientology is a dangerous and evil cult, something outsiders typically take about ten minutes to figure out.

2) Wendy’s web site does not appear to have been updated in quite some time. She appears to be a bit of a fame whore, attempting to cultivate a reputation as a brilliant globetrotting genius. One would think that her web site would have been updated immediately with her declaration of independence. Yet it feels dusty and musty, like the content hasn't changed in a while. But that hasn’t happened.

3) Similarly, the list of humanitarian organizations she lists involvement with include well-known front groups like The Way to Happiness, and a couple of front groups affiliated with TWTH. From what I understand, most people, particularly those who leave the cult due to the over-regging for donations, would not be too likely to stay involved in these organizations, and it would thus be surprising that she’s left her involvement in these groups intact. Remember that Priscilla Presley, who hasn't even "officially" blown yet, removed all the front groups from her personal web site a couple weeks ago when Tony Ortega speculated that she had "blown" the cult.
-SNIP-

Mine too, though my inclination is that they are deadagenting Marty. He prints this "declaration" as fact and she "appears" saying that she loves the cos and he is not credible. The cos would love to have his followers lose faith in him- especially now that his book is out...

It's all speculation, as far as I know, someone is trolling, she was "out, but recovered" or it's a set-up. Time shall tell.
 
You have to realize that the FZ/Indies are still Scios and are very damaged and delusional. ...

Not true, Pooks. :no:

It is certainly true of some, arguably many. However the same can quite accurately be said of many critics. Many a moonbat has been regarded as a 'respected' critic, just as many of the more extreme independent scientologists can be reasonably described in such terms.

The truth is people involved themselves in scientology for many reasons and in a variety of personal conditions. Some of these found utility in the techniques learned and continue to advocate some of those & similar techniques. They often participate in some degree with freezone activities. The more 'scientology dedicated' seem to prefer some variety of 'independent scientology' brand name.

Some of those with a prior involvement in the church were already 'damaged goods' before they entered in the Co$. Others were damaged as a result of their involvement. Some escaped with little damage.

After leaving, people in all of these categories can wind up all over the map with regard to being critics of the church.


Mark A. Baker
 

AlphOhm

Traveler of time/space
Medical and genetic miracles!


"a darling little boy was diagnosed with Downs Syndrome at birth and after an amazing program of assists and diet and supplements is now a normal little boy"

Down's Syndrome is characterized by body cells with an extra chromosome number 21. Truly amazing how Wendy and associates have found such a simple way to reverse major genetic troubles!

Hip hip hooray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

John P.

Patron
Re: My gut is telling me something fishy is going on here.

Mine too, though my inclination is that they are deadagenting Marty. He prints this "declaration" as fact and she "appears" saying that she loves the cos and he is not credible. The cos would love to have his followers lose faith in him- especially now that his book is out...

It's all speculation, as far as I know, someone is trolling, she was "out, but recovered" or it's a set-up. Time shall tell.

An interesting idea, particularly against the backdrop of the recent release of Marty's new book. But one would think he's been dead agented enough already. The clams have undoubtedly all been told to read the Freedumb Mag article on Marty (with the delightful video culled from all that Squirrel Busters footage) ad nauseum, so they're probably not in need of much incremental dead agenting now.

Wonder how long it will be until the truth pops up out of the cesspool...
 

Smilla

Ordinary Human
Medical and genetic miracles!


"a darling little boy was diagnosed with Downs Syndrome at birth and after an amazing program of assists and diet and supplements is now a normal little boy"

Down's Syndrome is characterized by body cells with an extra chromosome number 21. Truly amazing how Wendy and associates have found such a simple way to reverse major genetic troubles!

Hip hip hooray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To make claims like that a person would have to be insane, totally dishonest, or both.

Most likely both.
 

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According to Mark's clarification above of Freezone membership criteria, she is also a member of the Freezone because she may choose to do some services with them, or not.

Or she might bump into a member of the Freezone at a soiree, which also grants full Freezone membership status.

Or she might be psychotic, which grants full membership status and the rank of Loyal Officer.

Saturday night I attended a soiree and bumped into the Japanese sushi chef. His TRs appeared to be in and I asked him how he liked his job. His English was broken but he originated that he 'have pleasant time', so from that I conclude:

* He was good indicators, high-havingness and in present time--therefore should be assumed to be a Japanese Indie.

* I should be counted in the Tokyo population census tallies because in the future I may choose to be Japanese.
 
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