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Wendy Honnor ....OUT!?????

pebbles

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Re: My gut is telling me something fishy is going on here.

An interesting idea, particularly against the backdrop of the recent release of Marty's new book. But one would think he's been dead agented enough already. The clams have undoubtedly all been told to read the Freedumb Mag article on Marty (with the delightful video culled from all that Squirrel Busters footage) ad nauseum, so they're probably not in need of much incremental dead agenting now.

Wonder how long it will be until the truth pops up out of the cesspool...

We shall see.
P.S. I love the word cesspool. It is so very fitting.
Also, should you ever want to visit WWP...just saying.
 

Dulloldfart

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Re: My gut is telling me something fishy is going on here.

7) This e-mail talks about Wendy continuing her work with the “Worldwide Auditor’s Guild.” There is no web presence for a group that claims 600 members, what ought to be a significant portion of the field auditors in the world. It sounds to me like this may have been an attempt to portray Wendy as a purveyor of “squirrel” auditing technology. The only people who would not actually check to verify that there’s no such group would be cult members in good standing, who wouldn’t take a chance on running such a search because they would be afraid they might (gasp!) stumble on some entheta of some sort and end up blowing. Why would Wendy lie about the existence of a group like this in her e-mail, especially when she doesn’t mention it on her web site? She seems very driven by publicity, so if she was heading a group like this, one would think that every last little brain fart she had about this group would be plastered everywhere she could possibly plaster it.

https://whyweprotest.net/community/...theta-comm-for-auditors-april-09.37510/page-5

She's been talking about it since 2009 at least. It started off as an Australian "guild" and she widened it later. But since no-one else seems to have mentioned it online who knows how many members it really has.

Paul
 

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Bunch of natterers and haters.

I just pulled this from the comment section over a the shack:



Caps and exclamation marks and it's written, so it must be true.

How can any of you doubt unyielding theta intent?



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Stat

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Re: My gut is telling me something fishy is going on here.

I posted a comment to Marty Rathbun's blog. I realized a few minutes ago that there are some very strange details about Wendy Honnor's e-mail. There's enough out of step for the usual "Fuck Off Miscavige!" missive that comes out that something else entirely may be going on.

I am starting to get the gut that the cult may be running a "dead agent" operation on Wendy Honnor for some reason, much as they did on Debbie Cook. Soon after Debbie's e-mail message appeared, her Facebook page was apparently hacked into and she accepted "friend" request from all sorts of indies who were declared SP's. This was almost certainly to show loyal culties that they shouldn't believe anything coming from Debbie Cook. I think the same sort of thing is happening here.

Note that I have never heard of Wendy Honnor before, and couldn't care less what happens to her. From some of the stuff that was unearthed in this thread and from her own words on her web site, she seems like a delusional narcissist, with imagined accomplishments that are even more bizarrely grandiose than most culties claim. I just know that something doesn't pass the smell test on this.

Here are my concerns:

1) Nobody commenting on any site that I can find has said they know this woman and contacted her to hear from her own lips that the e-mail is valid. A lot of people immediately tried to contact Debbie Cook when her e-mail went out, and the word quickly got out that the e-mail was authentic. That hasn't happened here in nearly 24 hours. This woman seems to be enough of a fame whore that lots of people should have her phone number and she ought to be bubbling over with excitement to talk about her brilliant realizations that allowed her, after only ten years, to discover through her impressive specialness, that Scientology is a dangerous and evil cult, something outsiders typically take about ten minutes to figure out.

2) Wendy’s web site does not appear to have been updated in quite some time. She appears to be a bit of a fame whore, attempting to cultivate a reputation as a brilliant globetrotting genius. One would think that her web site would have been updated immediately with her declaration of independence. Yet it feels dusty and musty, like the content hasn't changed in a while. But that hasn’t happened.

3) Similarly, the list of humanitarian organizations she lists involvement with include well-known front groups like The Way to Happiness, and a couple of front groups affiliated with TWTH. From what I understand, most people, particularly those who leave the cult due to the over-regging for donations, would not be too likely to stay involved in these organizations, and it would thus be surprising that she’s left her involvement in these groups intact. Remember that Priscilla Presley, who hasn't even "officially" blown yet, removed all the front groups from her personal web site a couple weeks ago when Tony Ortega speculated that she had "blown" the cult.

4) Wendy’s web site talks about “life improvement programs” and all sorts of other stuff which not only doesn’t sound like it attributes proper credit to LRH “tech” but sounds like it may not be based on Scientology at all. That would clearly be a no-no from the cult’s point of view, and this could be the reason that the cult is trying to sink her -- she's making too much money that could go to them. There might be some other economic reason for her falling into disfavor with the cult, perhaps something as simple as the fact that as an apparently enthusiastic field auditor, she could be embarrassing the downstat Australian orgs by her productivity and results.

5) I notice that the e-mail is surprisingly vague and short of details about what exactly she saw as sufficiently compelling misbehavior that made her blow. I have noticed that the “coming out” declarations that Marty Rathbun has posted have almost always gone into extreme details about what started to create doubt in the minds of the newly independent member. Most of them are so long I can't make it more than halfway through.

There’s none of that here, only a reference to the Debbie Cook e-mail, no specifics of the issues raised. It seems to me like this is how a cult insider would write if trying to "dead agent" Wendy — someone who wants to make it look like Wendy Honnor is now an opponent of the cult, but the author of this e-mail doesn’t want the reader to actually know what was contained in Debbie’s e-mail — since they were all told not to read the original e-mail on pain of “losing their eternity.”

6) Claiming to use “the tech” to cure cancer, but only in concert with a qualified medical practitioner does not sound like the approach that a hardcore Church of Scientology member would use — it seems to me that such an approach could be seen as counter to the belief that once you “drop the body” it is simple to “pick up a new one” and start the next cycle where you left off; working with physicians could almost be seen as doubtful of this belief. In other words, she’s claiming that she’s going to continue what may have been seen as “squirrel tech” before.

7) This e-mail talks about Wendy continuing her work with the “Worldwide Auditor’s Guild.” There is no web presence for a group that claims 600 members, what ought to be a significant portion of the field auditors in the world. It sounds to me like this may have been an attempt to portray Wendy as a purveyor of “squirrel” auditing technology. The only people who would not actually check to verify that there’s no such group would be cult members in good standing, who wouldn’t take a chance on running such a search because they would be afraid they might (gasp!) stumble on some entheta of some sort and end up blowing. Why would Wendy lie about the existence of a group like this in her e-mail, especially when she doesn’t mention it on her web site? She seems very driven by publicity, so if she was heading a group like this, one would think that every last little brain fart she had about this group would be plastered everywhere she could possibly plaster it.

Again, I would like it to be true that a highly visible Australian public has indeed left the cult and resigned. But I am increasingly concerned that this one doesn't add up. Sometimes you have to go where the facts take you...

Welcome to ESMB John P.! :yes:
 

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No smearing is neccessary, as she's shown herself to be a vain and egotistical idiot, by putting stuff like this on her website:

"No laurel wreath, trophy, award or commendation throughout history compares to the International Association of Scientologists Freedom Medal. Nor does any badge of honor parallel what that medal represents in terms of service to mankind, and real freedom for all."

So you carry on feeling your feelings, and I'll carry on feeling mine.


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the more I check into this person the more I am thinking that the cofs is going to be really happy she has gone... LOL - I cannot wait until she starts ordering Marty around


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Mick Wenlock

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I make no comment about Wendy, personally, at this time, as it's really a cause for celebration when anyone leaves the cult and apparently Wendy has exited Scintology.

Maybe for you it is - for me it is not. I do not care that much about it and I really do not celebrate the act of an asswipe leaving the current rectum they inhabit to move to another one - and yes I am being deliberately offensive - it is not aimed at you but at this pustule of a person.

First thing is to allow her to continue to cause her effects on the cult internally and within her circles of friends and asociates by this important decision.

well it reads to me like she is, as usual, attempting to manipulate people. Good luck letting her do that.


We should be enjoying the consequences of this brave act, not tearing apart the other parts of her character before she gets head start out the range of OSA. There's enough on the net about her anyway. Let's cheer her on. Let's not smear the woman and help do OSA's work.

Brave act? Give me a break. dear god what is it about "brave acts" because someone finally says - after decades of living off the tit of Scientology and exploiting others that they have decided to leave? Cook wasn't "brave" - you know what would have been brave? To have stood up at int and shouted "Fuck You" and REFUSED to follow the orders. THAT would have been brave. Having routed out with a few grand of a pay off and then sucking more money from those self same "parishioners"? not brave at all.

The problem with Scientology is, IMHO, that there are so very few "brave acts" People who are willing to stand up when it counts. Because there were NONE at Flag - a woman died - because no-one had the balls to stand up and say "Lets get her to a hospital - NOW"

as for this turd in human form - she is busily encouraging people to think they can handle genetic disorders with vitamins. this is not only insane, it is cruel - cruel in ways you cannot possibly imagine.

Every parent of a severely handicapped child is hoping and praying for the lightning bolt from the heavens that will transform their beautiful child. Everyone of us bears an incredible burden that YOU cannot possibly imagine - the fear that we may have missed something. That if we had only zigged instead of zagged our son or daughter would be "better".

Or the fear that we didn't believe enough, or we didn't do it long enough or hard enough or well enough - do you know that those are all the excuses advanced by the "faith healer" quack crowd as a way to pblame the marks for the 'healing' not working?

So, in answer to your plea - no I will not go easy on this person, I will not forgive the stupidty and cupidity and the cruelty that she has encouraged and continues to do so. I will not stand around and applaud merely because she has decided (or not) to do something sensible for the first time in her life. She's not a child for crying out loud - she's an adult.

big boys games - big boys rules.
 

Lone Star

Crusader
She is as nutty and flaky as Tom Cruise telling Brook Shields that post partum depression can be handled with vitamins and exercise. I'm sick of self-appointed experts myself, and they can indeed all :shutup: and :getalife:
 
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Stat

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It takes a long time for those plaques and certs to seem valuable it takes a long time for them to seem worthless. I held on to some for a while but at this point when I come across anything from those days that I didn't realize I still had, it hits the trash as fast as I can make it to the trashcan.

Yep. Although, I boxed up all my certs, plaques, e-meters and materials,
while doing my MEST work/ethics cycle and left it all at the org, where it belongs.
All that shit can burn in hell, all I care. Took me only 15 years or so to reach that EP.
 

Gadfly

Crusader
Maybe for you it is - for me it is not. I do not care that much about it and I really do not celebrate the act of an asswipe leaving the current rectum they inhabit to move to another one - and yes I am being deliberately offensive - it is not aimed at you but at this pustule of a person.

well it reads to me like she is, as usual, attempting to manipulate people. Good luck letting her do that.

Brave act? Give me a break. dear god what is it about "brave acts" because someone finally says - after decades of living off the tit of Scientology and exploiting others that they have decided to leave? Cook wasn't "brave" - you know what would have been brave? To have stood up at int and shouted "Fuck You" and REFUSED to follow the orders. THAT would have been brave. Having routed out with a few grand of a pay off and then sucking more money from those self same "parishioners"? not brave at all.

The problem with Scientology is, IMHO, that there are so very few "brave acts" People who are willing to stand up when it counts. Because there were NONE at Flag - a woman died - because no-one had the balls to stand up and say "Lets get her to a hospital - NOW"

as for this turd in human form - she is busily encouraging people to think they can handle genetic disorders with vitamins. this is not only insane, it is cruel - cruel in ways you cannot possibly imagine.

Every parent of a severely handicapped child is hoping and praying for the lightning bolt from the heavens that will transform their beautiful child. Everyone of us bears an incredible burden that YOU cannot possibly imagine - the fear that we may have missed something. That if we had only zigged instead of zagged our son or daughter would be "better".

Or the fear that we didn't believe enough, or we didn't do it long enough or hard enough or well enough - do you know that those are all the excuses advanced by the "faith healer" quack crowd as a way to pblame the marks for the 'healing' not working?

So, in answer to your plea - no I will not go easy on this person, I will not forgive the stupidty and cupidity and the cruelty that she has encouraged and continues to do so. I will not stand around and applaud merely because she has decided (or not) to do something sensible for the first time in her life. She's not a child for crying out loud - she's an adult.

big boys games - big boys rules.

THIS ^^^^^^^^^ :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

If a person stands and whip themselves, year after year, are they "brave" to stop doing so? Or, if two people whip each other alternatively, year after year, are they "brave" to stop doing so? :no:

That is sort of like what people do when in the Church of Scientology. They submit to all sorts of idiocy - and they do so very willingly. And, the really gung-ho Scientology public and staff heavily encourage OTHERS to SUBMIT to all sorts of idiocy - using Hubbard's standard tech of manipulation, 8C, ARC, Hard Sell, Ruin-Finding, Tone 40, TRs, TR-Lying, threats of eternal damnation, and various other "control techniques".

For the most part Scientologists are mutually compilict in their deception and delusion. They all happily feed each other the Kool-Aid. They "splurge on it"! :hysterical:

If a person walks out of the RPF and says, "fuck you, I am leaving this nutty organization", he or she isn't "brave" - sure they HAVE "woken up", but it has nothing to do with "being brave". They are finally, possibly for the first time in many years, getting smart.

Hubbard and Scientologists talk on and on about honor, but if many of them HONESTLY looked really hard into the mirror, they would see that they were lying to themselves and to each other. The "honorable" thing to do would have been to speak up when you noticed that FIRST MAJOR OUTPOINT, instead of pushing it under the rug with all the rest of the other outpoints you noticed and denied (to self and others).

People like Marty and Debbie Cook (and probably this one too) have only "partially woken up". They have just scratched the surface of coming out of the dream (delusion). It takes time. But it seems some of the really "dedicated" and "overly-indoctrinated" take MUCH longer than others . . . . :confused2:

I suspect that is because his or her "beingness" (aka "ego") is closely attached to and identified with the many grandiose claims & pretenses of Hubbard and Scientology.
 
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Maybe for you it is - for me it is not. I do not care that much about it and I really do not celebrate the act of an asswipe leaving the current rectum they inhabit to move to another one - and yes I am being deliberately offensive - it is not aimed at you but at this pustule of a person.



well it reads to me like she is, as usual, attempting to manipulate people. Good luck letting her do that.

Brave act? Give me a break. dear god what is it about "brave acts" because someone finally says - after decades of living off the tit of Scientology and exploiting others that they have decided to leave? Cook wasn't "brave" - you know what would have been brave? To have stood up at int and shouted "Fuck You" and REFUSED to follow the orders. THAT would have been brave. Having routed out with a few grand of a pay off and then sucking more money from those self same "parishioners"? not brave at all.

The problem with Scientology is, IMHO, that there are so very few "brave acts" People who are willing to stand up when it counts. Because there were NONE at Flag - a woman died - because no-one had the balls to stand up and say "Lets get her to a hospital - NOW"

as for this turd in human form - she is busily encouraging people to think they can handle genetic disorders with vitamins. this is not only insane, it is cruel - cruel in ways you cannot possibly imagine.

Every parent of a severely handicapped child is hoping and praying for the lightning bolt from the heavens that will transform their beautiful child. Everyone of us bears an incredible burden that YOU cannot possibly imagine - the fear that we may have missed something. That if we had only zigged instead of zagged our son or daughter would be "better".

Or the fear that we didn't believe enough, or we didn't do it long enough or hard enough or well enough - do you know that those are all the excuses advanced by the "faith healer" quack crowd as a way to pblame the marks for the 'healing' not working?

So, in answer to your plea - no I will not go easy on this person, I will not forgive the stupidty and cupidity and the cruelty that she has encouraged and continues to do so. I will not stand around and applaud merely because she has decided (or not) to do something sensible for the first time in her life. She's not a child for crying out loud - she's an adult.

big boys games - big boys rules.

:clap::clap::clap:

This post shows something that is missing in the shallow, self-centered, hyperbolic, world of Scientologists, in, out, or anywhere---rationality, proportion, compassion, and the realization that your thoughts are not the only thing that matters.

Folks, these people are all fools, no matter what they claim their motives are and no matter how important they think they are to all the rest of us.

Don't stroke their egos by ranking them on a totem pole.

The Anabaptist Jacques
 
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Quite so!

Debbies mail has had some effects, not much reported to date.

People are often scared.

Wendy, a Freedom Medal Winner is a big deal.

She is an important opinion leader.

Assuming her mail is factual this will have a great effect.

She is clearly dedicated and not scared.

I say she deserves an ESMB medal :)



Isn't it kind of mind-numbingly weird that Scientologists are so exceedingly proud of a "FREEDOM MEDAL" bestowed by a criminal, terrorist organization that stole their own freedom?
 
Isn't it kind of mind-numbingly weird that Scientologists are so exceedingly proud of a "FREEDOM MEDAL" bestowed by a criminal, terrorist organization that stole their own freedom?

The "Freedom Medal" is their magic wand that makes them able to command respect among the mentally enslaved and emotionally numb.

The Anabaptist Jacques
 

Gadfly

Crusader
Isn't it kind of mind-numbingly weird that Scientologists are so exceedingly proud of a "FREEDOM MEDAL" bestowed by a criminal, terrorist organization that stole their own freedom?

:thumbsup:

When I was involved, the whole "status" thing was so grossy tacky to me. I never bought into any of it, I never went to ANY of the "achievement events" or IAS events, I never aspired to ANY sort of "status", and it always hit me as so "horribly plastic" (phony, pretentious, superficial, shallow, getting all worked up about GOBS of "unnecessary added significance").

I would look around me, not really analyzing it too much, but knowing fully that I had ZERO interest in any of THAT garbage. It always amazed me that so many DID care about such nonsense.

I just liked to get "blown out" from auditing or TR0. But, the rest of it? :puke2:

Part of that might have had something to do with that question from the "Green Form", "trying to get the same release or feeling as from drugs?" :hysterical:

Geez, after over 200 hours of R3R Drug Rundown, that question STILL always read! :duh: :ohmy: :biggrin:
 

pollywog

Patron with Honors
She still believes it and is advertising her services to help cure people with cancer. When she was in the cult, her line was auditing cures cancer. Now, she says she works with the patient's doctor in healing the person with cancer.

I found this mention of her from 2006 interesting..

"Wendy has been one of our OTC Newsletter subscribers for some time now. We’ve been getting emails from Wendy who, every time we hear from her, is in another country. One time Wendy emailed us while in Venezuela and now she is in Holland!

Finally, our curiosity got the better of us and we asked her what she is doing all over the European Continent. We thought you might like to know too.

She said, “I am based in Europe putting ethics tech into European Royal families and Members of Parliament, etc. - helping them to rehabilitate their ability to be leaders with basic Handbook tech.

”It gets amazing results!” Rock on, Wendy!!!!!

http://www.valleyorg.com/newsletter/nw.014.html

I'd love to see Wendy's dox on that. She lives in Laren, Northern Holland.

Her FB page (wall), as of April anyway, seems to indicate she lives in Launceton, Tasmania. Maybe she moved to Holland since April?

http://www.facebook.com/wendy.honnor?sk=wall
 

scooter

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If this is indeed true, then it's good news for Oz.:yes:

Wendy's been hyped for years as a "big thetan" in the field and there are a lot of "still-ins" who look at her as a demi-god. IF she's now left, then that's gonna make a lot of Faithful here in Oz unsure of where they should stand with regards to Co$ v. Dark Side.:omg:

I'm with John P - I just want more confirmation on this before I :cheers::party::cheers2:

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