What Brought You to the Org?

[uniquemand]

When I want to stop smoking dope, I put the bong away and stop buying it.

 

[freethinker]

Not body routing.

Just wondering which of the org's methods were most effective in creating Scientology's membership.

 

[Rmack]

A Power tempted me, and I succumbed.

 

[ClearEyed]

I doubt Div 6 is watching this thread. I'm just curious about whether people responded well to body-routing, books, or what. I would never have come in on an advert, and would have bashed a pushy body-router over the head. Reading a book I had bought out of interest was the perfect approach for me!

I don't think I would have responded to an ad, either. And I would not have responded well to DMSMH. It's a horrible book. I don't know how anyone can get through the whole thing. If I'd tried to read it first, I would never have considered becoming involved. I'd heard about Scientology from an old friend. What intrigued me was that she told me some of the ideas she'd learned in it were similar to some things I'd been saying (as a teenager.) I thought she was confused. Several years later a body router descended upon me and made a pest of himself. I was about to tell him to eff off until he mentioned Scientology, and I remembered what my friend had said.

I wonder how many people came in after a stress test demo? That's not on your list.

 

[uniquemand]

I don't think I would have responded to an ad, either. And I would not have responded well to DMSMH. It's a horrible book. I don't know how anyone can get through the whole thing. If I'd tried to read it first, I would never have considered becoming involved. I'd heard about Scientology from an old friend. What intrigued me was that she told me some of the ideas she'd learned in it were similar to some things I'd been saying (as a teenager.) I thought she was confused. Several years later a body router descended upon me and made a pest of himself. I was about to tell him to eff off until he mentioned Scientology, and I remembered what my friend had said.

I wonder how many people came in after a stress test demo? That's not on your list.

I actually read the whole DMSMH in one weekend, ran several sessions on friends out of the book, had interesting results, and then called to see if they were training and hiring auditors, I wanted to be that for the rest of my life. You're right, I forgot about stress tests. That wasn't done in my day.

 

[Outethicsofficer]

I was on holiday in Cairns from NZ and was looking for something to answer some questions about life n shit like that, in town one day I saw a display of 'DMSMH' books I made a beeline for that display bought the book chatted to the fella who did the transaction went home and read it cover to cover straight through. Within 6 months I'd quit my job and my then wife and I went to Sydney to join the SO. How's that for nuts?

 

[The Anabaptist Jacques]

It could be argued that anyone who brought you into contact with the Church of Scientology is a dangerous, irresponsible sociopath, or at least was acting as one, then, and should not be described as a friend. The problem is, that's all of us, so I doubt it will be acceptable.

That's ridiculous.

If someone thought it was a good thing and something which would help a friend they are not a danerous, irresponsible sociopath.

There are such things as mistakes, misjudgments and lack of information or clarity.

The idea that a person who makes a mistake must have bad or harmful intentions is Hubbard's thinking.

The Anabaptist Jacques

 

[uniquemand]

That's ridiculous.

If someone thought it was a good thing and something which would help a friend they are not a danerous, irresponsible sociopath.

There are such things as mistakes, misjudgments and lack of information or clarity.

The idea that a person who makes a mistake must have bad or harmful intentions is Hubbard's thinking.

The Anabaptist Jacques

Of course you're right. That's why I also said "or acting as one", because if you've been in for a while, and become a servant to the org, and you're not doing it out of enthusiasm for some "wins", but more because you need the stat and it's become your programming, well, I'd say you're stuck in the role of a sociopath (a trained RonBot) until you break free, even if your inherent human nature wouldn't have you acting that way.

I do not ascribe evil intention to scientologists, but I do say they become extensions of Hubbard's will to the extent that they follow KSW, and so they are enacting the will of a sociopath, even if it isn't them.

 

[Mick Wenlock]

8 pints of heavy and curiosity

 

[StickbyMe]

Of course you're right. That's why I also said "or acting as one", because if you've been in for a while, and become a servant to the org, and you're not doing it out of enthusiasm for some "wins", but more because you need the stat and it's become your programming, well, I'd say you're stuck in the role of a sociopath (a trained RonBot) until you break free, even if your inherent human nature wouldn't have you acting that way.

I've got to say, I don't think I agree with you at all here. I spent a lot of my time on staff doing Div 6a kind of stuff, and it was never just about a stat. I honestly felt like I and my co-staff were really enthusiastic about dissemination.

Being upstat is great and all, but I wouldn't have worked myself like a dog for the privilege of being upstat. Maybe what you're saying is true for veteran staff sick of being beaten into the mud, but I put in a little less than half a decade, and I was gung ho until the end. Cl V org staff and lower level Sea Org have literally no idea what is going on up the lines. It's hardly sociopathy to try and help your fellow man, even if you are being a little misguided about it.

Luckily, I never worked at an org with a decent Div 6B, so none of my thousands of sign ups ever stuck around for more than a couple of weeks. Or lost more than $40 or so.

 

[uniquemand]

Perhaps I'm being overly harsh. I acted out of compassion and a desire to help, as well. The longer I was there, the more I believed our failures as an org were due to "out KSW", meaning "knowing the correct technology". I really wanted to become the org Establishment Officer so that I could correct "hatting" problems and we could do better, earn more, have more of an impact on society, etc. I could see that becoming a method by which I could be transformed into an ogre.